AMD B550 Chipset Detailed, It's Ready for Zen 3, Older AM4 Motherboards not Compatible

[Gam3n]

Why is it that everyone treats AMD with a double standard? Nvidia jacks up prices on RTX, that's ok, but when AMD prices Navi similarly for similar performance, everyone gets hysterical because I guess they have an expectation that AMD, and only AMD, should sell them whatever they want dirt cheap. Intel has a chipset support a single generation, but then when AMD supports 3 generations with a Chipset, everyone gets hysterical, because I guess they expect AMD, and only AMD, to allow them to use their crappy B350 board forever.

You must be from a parallel universe, it was never OK that Nvidia jacked up the prices of RTX so much. It was noted by every reviewer and in every article and forum. The ridicule was off the charts, expecially the meme-worhty "it just works". GN tore a new one on that Tom's Hardware guy that tried to defend Nvidia. It was also never OK that intel forced a new chipset for chips that are using the same power, same architecture and same node. When AMD says they are better than Intel and Nvidia, people tend to expect they don't do the same dick moves, yes.

Now that I think about it, people where far less angry when they announced that Threadripper zen2/TR40 would basically be a new platform without backward compatibilty. a few ranted for 3 pages then quickly moved on. Here it's 10 pages and counting .

The user base of threadripper is like many orders of magnitude smaller than normal desktop ryzen.

The Max refresh only went from 16mb to 32mb:

That's 32 MB from 16 MB, 256 Mb is 32 MB. Bits and Bytes.

 

[oxidized]

Alright ,did you buy x470 or not,, they're not my boyos ,and I apologize for being a fan of pc components ALONE with no bias but this is a tech forum ,one of few places my kind of geek can chill, I own a bit of everything and moan about them all from time to time don't worry, so long as you're choosing with your wallet your on track ish.

I sware you read half, if not less of anything I replied to you, have been quite insulting, and completely oblivious to the fact I both understand your main point, I agree if I had just bought a board (x470) I'd be unhappy, the only part we disagree on, is who is to blame and the evidence of this, and the degree of offence, so a bit then but not everything.

Point is your calling me a fan boy for looking into a thread about future support for my type of board while you have no coin in the game yet are still here, tut.

I did not buy any AMD platform yet, but i was interested in that in the future (i said so in one of the first posts i made here), but my complain here is about what AMD kinda promised and what actually delivered, or will deliver, but anyway apparently mobo makers could actually mantain compatibility if they want to so that's to be seen, i just expected that they wouldn't have forced nobody to buy a new motherboard for their last gen on AM4, making that motherboard totally useless after that, like intel did these years back, who is there to blame? Everyone man, but mainly AMD, because they can decide and give guidelines, i'm a fan of PC components too, but just don't care to defend or to attack randomly, i only do if i feel they did wrong stuff, like this here, again hopefully mobo makers will make this all go away but still! Anyway i'm off, good night.

One can assume that it might have been the initial plan, but when they realised that they couldn't make the bios small enough, they had to do that(16Mo bios chips from MSI FTW). Notice how B350/X370 is shown as not being compatible with Ryzen 3000, when a fair amount of B350/X370 can make them work without any issue. Imo, the next time AMD should make some guidelines for their partners so that we avoid those kind of situation again.

As for the 600 chipset, the ryzen 4000 are going to be the last cpu's with support for DDR4, I don't know the details about those chipset, but I doubt that it's going to be a loss for Ryzen 3000 owner, The next big changes are going to be after the switch to ddr 5 (usb4, pci-e 5). If the feature set is the same, you might as well just get a cheaper 500 motherboard if you plan to get a cheaper ryzen 3000 anyways.

Now that I think about it, people where far less angry when they announced that Threadripper zen2/TR40 would basically be a new platform without backward compatibilty. a few ranted for 3 pages then quickly moved on. Here it's 10 pages and counting .

Yeah if this turns out to be the same, you're well right AMD should make guidelines and make sure everyone respects them!

My point is 600 chipset mobo will be useless after that, since AMD will be dropping AM4 (not complaining about this, after 4 years i guess it's time) sounds like what intel has been doing and that's also why i don't really like that, mobo maker will want to sell series 600 mobos, and if they make ryzen 4000 work on older mobos they would lose sales, and that's why they might not make it, but anyway, we'll see.

 

[dyonoctis]

The user base of threadripper is like many orders of magnitude smaller than normal desktop ryzen.

That's 32 MB from 16 MB, 256 Mb is 32 MB. Bits and Bytes.

Yes, but even the reaction of the TR clients were more toned down. And the whole thread quickly moved to be more civilised and brainstormed about the why/eventual benefits, when here "told you so" people came out to say :"Intel ain't that bad now ain't it ? Ryzen was never that great to begin with"

My bad, I'm not familiar with the Bits measurement.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I did not buy any AMD platform yet, but i was interested in that in the future (i said so in one of the first posts i made here), but my complain here is about what AMD kinda promised and what actually delivered, or will deliver, but anyway apparently mobo makers could actually mantain compatibility if they want to so that's to be seen, i just expected that they wouldn't have forced nobody to buy a new motherboard for their last gen on AM4, making that motherboard totally useless after that, like intel did these years back, who is there to blame? Everyone man, but mainly AMD, because they can decide and give guidelines, i'm a fan of PC components too, but just don't care to defend or to attack randomly, i only do if i feel they did wrong stuff, like this here, again hopefully mobo makers will make this all go away but still! Anyway i'm off, good night.




Yeah if this turns out to be the same, you're well right AMD should make guidelines and make sure everyone respects them!

My point is 600 chipset mobo will be useless after that, since AMD will be dropping AM4 (not complaining about this, after 4 years i guess it's time) sounds like what intel has been doing and that's also why i don't really like that, mobo maker will want to sell series 600 mobos, and if they make ryzen 4000 work on older mobos they would lose sales, and that's why they might not make it, but anyway, we'll see.

Your expectations will never be met then , what comes next for AMD and Intel, you may know the names all else is gossip, no,. Specifications get released when the product does,, before then they are subject to change.
And before then they are a competitive secret.


At the end of the day they make what they can of the millions of chips and sell that then when they know what they Will do.

And then board maker's do whatever makes commercial sense not normally to help the user

With not owning one at least you can choose still chill..

Another thing if you bought a 3600X thinking of upgrades you do still have options ,a 3950X if you got that your probably sticking a year at least.

 

[bencrutz]

Really?

REally?

Just out of curiosity, because I'm honestly curious when people have a configuration like yours, and I absolutely mean no offense, but how is it possible that you could afford a $750 CPU, but then not have $200 for an X570 motherboard (there's X570 boards down to $160)?

why not? this board serves me well, very strong VRM - don't make a sweat with 3950x fully loaded, got T-topology vs the previous crosshair vi i owned which was giving me headache when 4 dimms fully populated

i don't feel the urge to upgrade the board - don't use any pcie 4 device & especially X570 all with daisy chain memory, don't think i wanna shell out money just to test em out like i did when AM4 first comes out

 

[INFERNUS]

Using a Asrock X470 Taichi. If I recall the B350 & X370 boards didn't have official support from AMD for the Ryzen 3000 series CPU's yet, the companies who make those boards support those CPU's with a simple BIOS update.
This might be the case for us X400 series owners once Zen3 finally comes out. I have my fingers crossed I'm going to take a guess that the Zen3 chips will support higher RAM frequency and that the x400 series boards will have a hard time to enable whatever frequency is the base for Zen3. That's if the Zen3 chips will work in x400 series boards we have to all wait and see. If not well I have my eye on the 3950x to drop in, and I'm sure a price drop once Zen3 comes out. Would also like to add that it has 16 Power Phase design capable of providing extra 300W for CPU. I'm sure this is overkill for Zen3 and AMD knows that the 400 series will support Zen3 but they want everyone to buy a new mobo. They are still not as bad like Intel, yet Yet being the key word lol

 

[oxrufiioxo]

how intel fanboys feel when they pay 500+ more $ for 10 extra fps in random junk like fortinte

To be fair AMD fanboys would feel the same way.

 

[windwhirl]

how intel fanboys feel when they pay 500+ more $ for 10 extra fps in random junk like fortinte

Say what you want about Star Wars prequels, it gave us so much meme material lol

 

[Deleted member 190774]

It's not ideal for sure, but hey, I bought a ROG Zenith Extreme with 2950X explicitly thinking I'd be able to put a 3960X in it when they were released - but no, 'expected to buy an AU$1400 motherboard to go with an AU$2600 processor! That mobo costs almost as much as your whole computer

 

[Prince Valiant]

I thought Ryzen was always only promised out to Ryzen 2, aka you get a refresh and a new arch, but thats it. Could be wrong though... I rode that train quite a while ago.

AMD reaffirms commitment to AM4 socket until 2020 - OC3D

AMD reaffirms commitment to AM4 socket until 2020 When AMD released their first Ryzen series processors in 2017, the company committed themselves to the continued development of their new AM4 platform, promising support until 2020. With the release of their Ryzen 2nd Generation processors...

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The PR slide at the bottom of the second one shows up to 2020 and there's an asterisk.

 

[Vya Domus]

A320 Asrock does support even x3950, so that makes the above information untrue. Because it shows that A320 is out of the line for 3000 series as well as 4000 series. In the end old chipset just miss pcie4.0. not the entire support. That said 4000 series is useless, end of the line, and the motherboards for it are dead ends in the wake of ddr5.

You guys don't get it, you could have had motherboards that supported new CPUs even after a decade officially or not, the trolls and fanboys would've still came out of the woodwork to complain. Picture this, most of these people complaining on here wouldn't have touched anything made by AMD anyway. I admire their dedication to talk so much about something they don't even care about.

Apple will get exposed for bench cheating next don't sweat it, if it works doing your tasks your good if not well , keep smiling try n get some OT in at work.

They are not cheating per say, they simply optimize their SoCs for certain workloads that are used in benchmarks.

 

[Flanker]

Maybe we will get boards with huge ROM sizes as premium features

 

[apoklyps3]

the next logical step intel has to take to further humiliate them is to release trial motherboards.
no longer will they have to worry if the next chip will still on work on the current mobo. no your mobo will only be good fore a few months. then you have to buy a new one.
I really feel that intel fanboys have stockholm syndrome.
No mather how many stinky dumps intel takes on them, their bone to pick is still with the , now, far superior, AMD products.

 

[Countryside]

So am i the only one here who sees the problem that im now forced to buy a new cpu if i buy an b550 board, but if i want to keep my 2600x my only option is to get an expensive x570 board.

 

[dyonoctis]

AMD reaffirms commitment to AM4 socket until 2020 - OC3D

AMD reaffirms commitment to AM4 socket until 2020 When AMD released their first Ryzen series processors in 2017, the company committed themselves to the continued development of their new AM4 platform, promising support until 2020. With the release of their Ryzen 2nd Generation processors...

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Hardware & Tech News - OC3D.net

OC3D is where you can find the latest PC Hardware and Gaming News & Reviews. Get updates on GPUs, Motherboards, CPUs, and more.

www.overclock3d.net

The PR slide at the bottom of the second one shows up to 2020 and there's an asterisk.

The lesson is to always read what's written in small. They did say that it might change, we just didn't bothered to read what was written in small. Sadly, you can't make marketing with " You may or may not upgrade your CPU without buying a new motherboard". That kind of message written in big just doesn't inspire confidence.

 

[Countryside]

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The lesson is to always read what's written in small. They did say that it might change, we just didn't bothered to read what was written in small. Sadly, you can't make marketing with " You may or may not upgrade your CPU without buying a new motherboard". That kind of message written in big just doesn't inspire confidence.

Like they say peasants can't be choosers

 

[INFERNUS]

AsRock x470:
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- 16 Power Phase design
- Capable of providing extra 300W for CPU
- Supports ASRock Hyper BCLK Engine II
- 256Mb AMI UEFI Legal BIOS with GUI support


AsRock x570:
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- 14 Power Phase design
- Capable of providing extra 300W for CPU
- Supports ASRock Hyper BCLK Engine II
- 256Mb AMI UEFI Legal BIOS with GUI support


Both have the same size BIOS and the x470 has a higher power phase design.
Something ain't right lol. This looks like to me that AMD wants to push their PCI-e 4.0 on the 500 series boards and now make up some BS that Zen3 won't support 400 or even 300 series.
Heres to hoping by the time Zen3 comes out the mobo vendors will have their own BIOS that will support Zen3 on 400 or maybe even 300 series mobo's.

 

[Gmr_Chick]

Luckily I am in the refund window still thanks to extensions. I will be refunding my tomahawk max now and waiting for B550, wow this is a shitty move, everyone told me it was a safe move to go from 3600 to 4800x on tomahawk max b450.

I have a half a mind to sell my ryzen 3600 cpu now and just go back to intel and z490 since its about to come out, if I have to buy a new mobo every two generations might as well go with Intel, and Navi drivers are a disappointment, so might as well stick with tried and true Intel and Nvidia combo yet again. so long AMD you had a good run

Seriously? Something doesn't happen the way you want it to and so you just join the other team without so much as giving your current one another chance?

just set up my refund for my b450 tomahawk max, will be going z490 and intel 10 core, and ampere. fk it

Gotta say, I'm disappointed you think this way, friend, as it doesn't seem like a logical thought. I say that because everybody and their effing grandma knows the Intel chips are going to be hot, energy sucking monsters (kinda like how AMD's FX CPUs were, ironically enough) that will need a super beefy $80+ air cooler at minimum to keep cool -- liquid cooling would be more appropriate though, which adds even more to the cost of adopting Intel's 10 core chip. You can get the Ryzen 9 3900x for $431 @ Amazon right now and not only spend less, but get two more cores and 24 threads AND a lower TDP! Just seems like a no brainer to me if you have the budget.

nah, Z490 is almost here. might as well go with that will get the $169 MSI Z490 board and the $499 Intel 10 core, and hopefully rtx 3080 will be out before cyberpunk 2077 comes out. i really enjoy overlcocking gpu and navi was never able to deliver on that stable, i won't be overclocking cpu so ryzen is still decent, but i might as well go with z490 now that its here. it will be faster in most games i expect, 9900k still beats amd by 5-10 fps across the board. i expect it will be around same here if not a little more.

Sorry, but big whoop. 5-10fps is a negligible. So you get 5-10 more fps in games with an Intel chip...but at what cost? Sorry, but I just can't see the appeal *shrug*

Haha. I don't know why AMD couldn't annouce that sooner. Now we are having lots of knee jerk reaction from people feeling betrayed, and AMD went back to being a trash company with uncompetitive product. The little bit of faith that they painfully managed to get from some people is now gone forever. Ah well, they still managed to shook intel enough to make them react.

As usual, YMMV, but I never had any stability issues with my b350/1700x with 3000mhz memory. Some people are acting as if they really were interested in AM4, when they seemed to had a preference for Intel all along, and they are now rubbing it in the face of those who prefered AMD. "Now we are the one with an uppgrade path"

You picked up on this too, eh? I'm still not quite sure why Intel can get away with doing things like this and still be put on a pedestal, but when AMD does something similar, it's "grab yer pitch forks, we're rioting!".

Keyword HAD!

It literally doesn't matter as they've shown their "promises" to be quite hollow at times and who wants to take that risk.

Not when Intel is STILL delivering better gaming performance and that's all I care about.

The 7700k was the right move in 2017 and the 10900k is again in 2020.

I'm a gamer on this pc above everything else and amd NEVER has been able to meet or exceed Intel where it matters most to me.

And any benefits they did have over Intel (and were weighing on me heavily to just go with them) have now been proven to be a "hope" at best.

Can I play you some Marvin Gaye to go with that Intel BJ? It'll help set the mood.

 

[YAYgee]

Does B550 support Zen 2 and Zen 3 APUs? You'd expect that but it was left out on their slide.

 

[apoklyps3]

how intel fanboys feel when intel forces them to upgrade their whole system by adding one more pin to their otherwise identic platform:

 

[ARF]

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The lesson is to always read what's written in small. They did say that it might change, we just didn't bothered to read what was written in small. Sadly, you can't make marketing with " You may or may not upgrade your CPU without buying a new motherboard". That kind of message written in big just doesn't inspire confidence.

I guess that this report that anything besides X570 and B550 (which actually doesn't even retail or exist just yet) won't support Ryzen 4000 series is just pure false/fake news and it comes from the possibility that AMD simply protects itself from probable legal proceedings because not all AM4 motherboards could support all AM4 CPUs. So, they simply state as a support the minimum guaranteed support and will let the motherboard makers deal with the rest.

 

[Melvis]

Id be lying if I said I wasn't a bit pissed off as I bought my X470 motherboard for exactly that reason for been able to upgrade to a 4000 series CPU in the future and this Motherboard wasn't cheap! If this does end up to be true then its not to bad as I can jump to a 3950X which from the 2700X is a good upgrade but still.....this wasnt the initial plan and If I knew this was going to be the case I would of jumped onto Ryzen earlier.....

The part thats even worse is I have built many clients Computers all mainly on the B450 motherboards and saying to all my clients you be fine all the way through till the end of 2020, got yrs of upgrades to choose from, now I look like a total lair!

The whole BIOS thing is complete and utter BS, you only ever update your BIOS for when a new CPU comes out so your mobo can support it, you dont ever need to update your BIOS to go backwards in CPU's lol you only do it for upgrades.....so if a new BIOS was out and it removed support for older Gen 1 Ryzen CPU's then who cares! your not going backwards anyway, and if you ever do for some reason go backwards then flash it back, not hard!

isn't Ryzen 4000 series just a refresh of the current 3000 series? that work in 90% of all boards? so what gives!

 

[Caring1]

The part thats even worse is I have built many clients Computers all mainly on the B450 motherboards and saying to all my clients you be fine all the way through till the end of 2020, got yrs of upgrades to choose from, now I look like a total lair!

If your systems can't last 7 months until the end of 2020, you have bigger problems.

 

[Countryside]

 

[ARF]

Id be lying if I said I wasn't a bit pissed off as I bought my X470 motherboard for exactly that reason for been able to upgrade to a 4000 series CPU in the future and this Motherboard wasn't cheap! If this does end up to be true then its not to bad as I can jump to a 3950X which from the 2700X is a good upgrade but still.....this wasnt the initial plan and If I knew this was going to be the case I would of jumped onto Ryzen earlier.....

The part thats even worse is I have built many clients Computers all mainly on the B450 motherboards and saying to all my clients you be fine all the way through till the end of 2020, got yrs of upgrades to choose from, now I look like a total lair!

The whole BIOS thing is complete and utter BS, you only ever update your BIOS for when a new CPU comes out so your mobo can support it, you dont ever need to update your BIOS to go backwards in CPU's lol you only do it for upgrades.....so if a new BIOS was out and it removed support for older Gen 1 Ryzen CPU's then who cares! your not going backwards anyway, and if you ever do for some reason go backwards then flash it back, not hard!

isn't Ryzen 4000 series just a refresh of the current 3000 series? that work in 90% of all boards? so what gives!

Nope, I would recommend to avoid the Ryzen 9 3950X unless it's a very cheap deal.
Ryzen 4000 is about to redefine the competitive landscape with groundbreaking IPC, clock uplifts, and better gaming and much better overall performance and offerings.