AMD Offers Enthusiasts More Choice Than Ever Before with New Ryzen 3000XT Processors

[Caring1]

Small gains in Cinebench, 0% gain in gaming. Facts.

Thanks for that indepth and insightful review, I look forward to your next one.
4% gain in IPC, and Higher clock speeds = gains all round, win win.

 

[$ReaPeR$]

The heat is just outside of the cooler thermal envelope. So it's best not to include one to embarrass themselves. The previous version is still on sale for $400 and that's a good bang for your bucks.
The new gen will be delayed, so it's best to release something to capture market attention.

I don't think it is though. I have a 3900x running 24/7 with a Corsair h115i pro and it hits mid 80s when folding, when gaming is in the mid 60s to mid 70s depending on room temp. The wraith did the job when I didn't have the aio BUT the temp's were higher and the boost speed was lower, reaching 4,6 rarely, usually when the room temp was in the high teens. So, tldr, the box cooler can handle them if you are not pushing the CPU, so basically when gaming on stock specs. TBH anyone who would buy a 300$ and above CPU will never use a box cooler either from Intel or AMD.

 

[Bee9]

The box cooler can handle them if you are not pushing the CPU, so basically when gaming on stock specs. TBH anyone who would buy a 300$ and above CPU will never use a box cooler either from Intel or AMD.

That's why they did not include the stock cooler. The stock cooler cannot guarantee higher boost clock when ambient temperature is high. Especially this is a summer release and not everyone can enjoy the ambient temperature in the ideal range of 20C. My room temperature is about 31C during the day, so it's hard for the wraith to cool the 3900X. AMD may run into trouble if the stock cooler cannot cool the CPU adequately at 4.6-4.7 Ghz.

 

[$ReaPeR$]

That's why they did not include the stock cooler. The stock cooler cannot guarantee higher boost clock when ambient temperature is high. Especially this is a summer release and not everyone can enjoy the ambient temperature in the ideal range of 20C. My room temperature is about 31C during the day, so it's hard for the wraith to cool the 3900X. AMD may run into trouble if the stock cooler cannot cool the CPU adequately at 4.6-4.7 Ghz.

Yes. If we judge from the response to the previous boost blunder, I think they made the best choice available, it's not like Intel offers box coolers with the k series anyway so obviously, that is a valid option for AMD. I used to live in Greece btw and I can sympathize on the summer heat issue.

 

[Bee9]

Yes. If we judge from the response to the previous boost blunder, I think they made the best choice available, it's not like Intel offers box coolers with the k series anyway so obviously, that is a valid option for AMD. I used to live in Greece btw and I can sympathize on the summer heat issue.

And they cut the cost for the cooler too.
from a marketing standpoint, this works well. Most people will slap a water cooler on it anyway.

oh mate, greece is nothing compare to some asian countries like Vietnam.

 

[$ReaPeR$]

And they cut the cost for the cooler too.
from a marketing standpoint, this works well. Most people will slap a water cooler on it anyway.

oh mate, greece is nothing compare to some asian countries like Vietnam.

Exactly.

Never been over there but many friends have, I've heard stories and I can believe that it's toasty mainly due to the high humidity.

 

[Jism]

I honestly see zero reason to be upset or complain. These XT versions ARE NOT replacing the non-Xt versions, AMD is just giving more options and a slight performance boost while leaving the MSRP exactly the SAME. Seriously, what is there to complain about? I also heard that AMD is going to discount the Non-XT versions further as well, so at least to me this seems good all around...or am I missing something here?

The majority of people that complain seek CPU's of HEDT class performance for just 50$. Really dont listen to them. I like the "XT" brand. I think this will replace my 2700x to be honest.

 

[Count Shagula]

I just upgraded my 3570k with 32gig of 1600mhz ram to a 3600x with 32gig of 3600mhz ram (With plans of getting the 16core 4000 series). I have a 2080ti. Most of the time i just play games. The difference in performance is pretty much 0. I play on a 4K OLED and yeah.... No difference at all really. The only reason i upgraded was because my mobo was starting have issues with its age. Not everyone cares about the fact that intel is slightly better at 1080p

 

[1d10t]

For boys still stuck in 2008 resolution, main occupation is just gaming and need some bragging added values, you had your choices

This thread is about more choices for the market. Consumers have more CPU to choose from.
Then it turned into a troll fest of AMD better or Intel better. We already benchmarked those CPUS to dead already and they still can't figure it out. It's sad.

... and priority , I still consider Jack of all trades are better than Master of something. Clearly this is a stopgap solution from AMD for existing platform, but another choices is also stopgap with a new platform. Why need to argue

 

[Cheeseball]

They should've made the 3600XT do 4.9 GHz single-core, maybe 4.5 GHz all-core and included the Wraith Prism cooler. That would give the 10600K a run for its money.

 

[hzy4]

Nice 3800XT, now I can overclock my 3700x to 4,35Ghz vcore 1,44v possibly brick it, to justify the purchase.

 

[Shatun_Bear]

They should've made the 3600XT do 4.9 GHz single-core, maybe 4.5 GHz all-core and included the Wraith Prism cooler. That would give the 10600K a run for its money.

Yep, the 3600X in the UK is about £70-90 cheaper than the 10600K here in the UK, with far cheaper motherboard options (X470, B450 etc). Yet despite being hugely cheaper, it is only 7% behind on average in gaming @ 1080p using a 2080 Ti according to TPU. But who just games on their PC and nothing else? Kids and lazy students? For multi-threaded apps, the 3600X is significantly faster.

So if the 3600XT adds a quite considerable 300Mhz to the boost (4.4ghz vs 4.7ghz), do the maths. This thing will give the 10600k a run for its money. But it's not even competing with the 10600K, it's competing with the 10500, which is even worse value.

 

[$ReaPeR$]

They should've made the 3600XT do 4.9 GHz single-core, maybe 4.5 GHz all-core and included the Wraith Prism cooler. That would give the 10600K a run for its money.

If they could do that Intel would automatically lose the gaming crown. But those are the limits of the 7nm process at this point, maybe future revisions will change that.

 

[stimpy88]

AMD just jumped the shark.

1.) No stock coolers with the higher-end parts
2.) Up to a 40%+ increase in price for an "up to" 4% speed improvement
3.) Delayed Zen 3 - Due to "lack of competition", just at the point where AMD should have delivered the killer blow to Intel

AMD just cannot let go of their past, their amateur business management and marketing practices continue even after they were on the brink of bankruptcy. I would have thought they would have learned from that. Now they are beginning to erode the built-up goodwill of their customers. A precious thing to throw away... ask Intel.

I guess we can sit back and watch them screw up their GPU business next, as if it's possible to screw it up more than it already is.

 

[AsRock]

Much wow.

Yeah not worth the $80+ extra for the 3900X, never mind needing a cooler on top of that.

 

[Bee9]

AMD just jumped the shark.

1.) No stock coolers with the higher-end parts
2.) Up to a 40%+ increase in price for an "up to" 4% speed improvement
3.) Delayed Zen 3 - Due to "lack of competition", just at the point where AMD should have delivered the killer blow to Intel

AMD just cannot let go of their past, their amateur business management and marketing practices continue even after they were on the brink of bankruptcy. I would have thought they would have learned from that. Now they are beginning to erode the built-up goodwill of their customers. A precious thing to throw away... ask Intel.

I guess we can sit back and watch them screw up their GPU business next, as if it's possible to screw it up more than it already is.

Lisa Su is not a novice in term of marketing and management. So, I believe in her decision of letting go of the cooler on the 3900XT.
1. First, Wraith cooler cannot adequately cool the 3900XT with the higher frequency boost. It will be a disaster if the CPU cannot reach the advertised boost clock with the stock cooler. AMD is trying to avoid that.
2. They make more money selling the 3900XT at $500. Fewer will buy it and make the 3900X an even more attractive option that can practically reach the same clock speed as the XT if you invest in a better cooler.
3. Zen 3 is delayed but not primarily due to the lack of competition. I've never heard anything official from AMD regarding of the reason for the delay. The rumors are just rumors. On my end, I've seen delay in production because geo-political issues and the pandemic logistics. Of course, on the marketing standpoint, I think delaying is a good move because AMD can save for what Intel has to offer next year. Saving a trick against major competition is wise.
AMD is doing better but they are not out of the danger zone yet. They need the money to invest in R&D. So, it's best to get more when you can.
3900XT is still a good choice for people who want the Jack of all Trades at $500.

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[Makaveli]

Pfft...4% single threaded increase. Come on AMD, you basically did nothing.

I wouldn't say nothing, but if you look at the situation they already have another product ready to replace Zen2. Why spend time and money boosting its performance. If you have the die's laying around sure make some small tweaks and release something which they did. Anyone that was expecting a greater than 10% boost this close to the next gen was just wishful thinking if you ask me.

Try telling that to the people that bashed intel for "refreshing" SKUs from the angry AMD hate train when intel also made process improvements from 14nm to 14nm+ to 14nm++ with higher drive current and less leakage and yet AMD puts out this XT series with "more mhz" when the main bottleneck of Zen2 is the infinity fabric clockspeed and yet it's perfectly excusable to charge this much apparently according to the cult of AMD fanboys. Not to even mention the 3900X is dirt cheap these days for example.......

Honestly who cares that is fanboy/girl nonsense.

Don't waste your time on that he said she said bs, I never understood why people care so much about what someone else is using. Its not like the money came out of your own pocket.

Leave that crap for the little kids.

 

[stimpy88]

Lisa Su is not a novice in term of marketing and management. So, I believe in her decision of letting go of the cooler on the 3900XT.
1. First, Wraith cooler cannot adequately cool the 3900XT with the higher frequency boost. It will be a disaster if the CPU cannot reach the advertised boost clock with the stock cooler. AMD is trying to avoid that.
2. They make more money selling the 3900XT at $500. Fewer will buy it and make the 3900X an even more attractive option that can practically reach the same clock speed as the XT if you invest in a better cooler.
3. Zen 3 is delayed but not primarily due to the lack of competition. I've never heard anything official from AMD regarding of the reason for the delay. The rumors are just rumors. On my end, I've seen delay in production because geo-political issues and the pandemic logistics. Of course, on the marketing standpoint, I think delaying is a good move because AMD can save for what Intel has to offer next year. Saving a trick against major competition is wise.
AMD is doing better but they are not out of the danger zone yet. They need the money to invest in R&D. So, it's best to get more when you can.
3900XT is still a good choice for people who want the Jack of all Trades at $500.

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1.) AMD say they have tweaked the manufacturing process to deliver better thermals, to offset the 2-3c temperature increase a 100MHz increase will cause. So again, why no cooler? Many people run the 3900x on it's stock cooler with no problems whatsoever. It was also a buying incentive for people unsure of spending lots of money on a cooler, as Intel forces it's customers to do.

2.) AMD have no problems selling their stock.

3.) At least it seems that Zen 3 is still on track after all, which is the only point that damages my original argument, if it's true. However, if AMD were affected by the pandemic, we would all know it, as TSMC would have announced it for them. The Zen 3 design was finalised a year ago...

4.) You would need your head checked if you think paying $500 for maybe 100MHz more performance sometimes, and under ideal conditions is worth the 20% price premium over the 3900x, which could also save you another $50 on a cooler to boot! I have no doubt that some people will buy one of these 3900XT CPUs, but it's hardly going to re-ignite sales. It will however, increase sales of the standard 3900X, with it's lower profit margin, which takes me back to my argument regarding AMDs competency at business strategy...

I love what AMD have done to the CPU market, and what they are doing to Intel, but I'm starting to see the warning signs that they have maybe not learned the lesson of nearly going bankrupt should have taught them. Intel are back at their old tricks, and are catching AMD up, at least in the minds of people who fall for the king of gaming marketing BS. But AMD have started "pulling an Intel" with trying to force CPU socket changes, increasing the price of their CPUs over Intels, dropping including coolers in the box, releasing new CPUs with little to no improvements etc... AMD should, at this point, be doing the opposite, they need to build momentum further, so that it ends up as Intel being an illogical choice for the average consumer, then they are in the position to start to gently milk the customer base.

If Zen 3 is late, too highly priced, and/or not offering a substantial IPC improvement, then it opens the door to Intel, and we all loose.

 

[R0H1T]

If Zen 3 is late, too highly priced, and/or not offering a substantial IPC improvement, then it opens the door to Intel, and we all loose.

The ones in the market for a cheap, good VFM chip will likely choose Ryzen (non XT) & the ones for a gaming chip would mostly go Intel. The ones not informed will be lured towards Intel, the smarter/more informed user will choose AMD except in edge cases like top tier (last 0.1% FPS) or high refresh rate gaming. Then there's Covid, zen3 launching when it is was likely a wise choice, any blow from the DIY market will not kill Intel not even metaphorically. Their bread & butter is OEM systems & laptops. That's where AMD needs their guns pointed at!

 

[$ReaPeR$]

The ones in the market for a cheap, good VFM chip will likely choose Ryzen (non XT) & the ones for a gaming chip would mostly go Intel. The ones not informed will be lured towards Intel, the smarter/more informed user will choose AMD except in edge cases like top tier (last 0.1% FPS) or high refresh rate gaming. Then there's Covid, zen3 launching when it is was likely a wise choice, any blow from the DIY market will not kill Intel not even metaphorically. Their bread & butter is OEM systems & laptops. That's where AMD needs their guns pointed at!

That's what they are doing. That's why they are launching all those apus. The problem with "enthusiasts" is that they usually can't put themselves in the position of the average user, so they fail to understand the lack of care from the average person about a 10% improvement or high refresh gaming. 90% of users do not care for what we usually talk about in this forum.

 

[A Computer Guy]

I thought I read somewhere the new XT processors also supported higher IF speed as well? Was that rumor or confirmed?

 

[Bee9]

1.) AMD say they have tweaked the manufacturing process to deliver better thermals, to offset the 2-3c temperature increase a 100MHz increase will cause. So again, why no cooler? Many people run the 3900x on it's stock cooler with no problems whatsoever. It was also a buying incentive for people unsure of spending lots of money on a cooler, as Intel forces it's customers to do.

2.) AMD have no problems selling their stock.

3.) At least it seems that Zen 3 is still on track after all, which is the only point that damages my original argument, if it's true. However, if AMD were affected by the pandemic, we would all know it, as TSMC would have announced it for them. The Zen 3 design was finalised a year ago...

4.) You would need your head checked if you think paying $500 for maybe 100MHz more performance sometimes, and under ideal conditions is worth the 20% price premium over the 3900x, which could also save you another $50 on a cooler to boot! I have no doubt that some people will buy one of these 3900XT CPUs, but it's hardly going to re-ignite sales. It will however, increase sales of the standard 3900X, with it's lower profit margin, which takes me back to my argument regarding AMDs competency at business strategy.

If Zen 3 is late, too highly priced, and/or not offering a substantial IPC improvement, then it opens the door to Intel, and we all loose.

1. In this case, this is merely a marketing talk. They may get the 3900XT to run at a much lower voltage to reduce the heat output. I have a 3900X golden sample of the first batch that can match the XT performance. The stock cooler cannot guarantee the advertised clock reliably. Many people can run the 3900x with the stock cooler no problem... That includes me, but many doesn’t mean all. Some will still have problem with cpu keeping the clock as advertised in hotter regions. The stock cooler fails many time on my rig because I’m running it with an ambient temperature of 33 to 35C which is quite common in many asian countries and some part of the US during Summer. Anyway,
Let’s wait until it hit the shelf then we will resume the discussion

3. My line of work allows me to see where things go in a global scale and both AMD and Intel, as well as Nvidia confuse all of us at the same time. It’s not about product readiness to announce, it is about the market readiness. Pandemic lower the disposable income of many major regions and damage logistics significantly. Many computers stores also face delayed restocking orders because of some political issues as well as health concerns. What’s the point of releasing the products when the market is not prime for it? And in my knowledge, Zen 3 already finished 2 years ago on an engineering sample where everybody was still discussing the 2700.
EDIT: Adding more insights.
Looks like we don't have a second wave of corona shutdown in the US, then we may see the new gen in the next 6 months. It all depends on how the governors decide. I think they will announce it somewhere near the holiday shopping season then the stock will be stable at new year.


4. Please don’t make comment like that. It’s a kind of insult. Some people will still buy the XT because money is not their problem. I’m addressing this point purely from reading other posts that people will still consider the XT. They don’t need to have their heads check because they value different things. They simply at a different income bracket than we are. The purpose of the XT is not for massive sales, it’s for marketing because of the high clock speed to steal some of intel halo.
I doubt that the 3900X has lower margin with new price. With better yield, they are able to lower the production cost and may keep the margin at their required level set by the boards.

 

[Caring1]

I thought I read somewhere the new XT processors also supported higher IF speed as well? Was that rumor or confirmed?

I had read the same but can't find the info now.
Apparently the higher IF speed allowed faster Ram timings too.

 

[Totally]

Pfft...4% single threaded increase. Come on AMD, you basically did nothing.

Well, yeah. No new uarch, no new process, no new steeping and yet "up to 4%" more performance. It's not like we're getting a new uarch, new process, new socket along with a new mobo and still gotta cough up an extra $50 over previous msrp for 5%.

 

[EasyListening]

Look. Supply of Ryzen 3000 is dwindling. The manufacturing process has improved since the chips were released. Now they need to replenish supply, but why use the old process when you can sell a better product, an optimized product, for the same price? People who haven't upgraded to Ryzen 3000 and are just now getting around to it, are going to look at the XT chips as a good deal. Same price, better specs. No need to upgrade from 3000 to 3000XT, agreed. But it's wrong to criticise their business methods because they are being smart and the naysayers don't understand business.