AMD Announces Renoir for Desktop: Ryzen 4000G, PRO 4000G, and Athlon PRO 3000G

[Valantar]

Imagine thinking Vega and Zen+ is not slow by today’s standards.

Vega at 2.1GHz ought to perform quite well for an iGPU, and certainly better than any other iGPU. As for the CPU cores, all the Ryzens are Zen 2. The Athlons are Zen+, but so what? They're dirt cheap.

 

[bug]

OEM's, if you were to buy one for a budget build when they become available to consumers you could likely drop it into said B350/450 board, heck wouldnt surprise me to see OEM's throwing them into A320 boards with a bios update

Neah, 300 won't work here, but it seems there's a chance 400 will.

 

[SL2]

1:47

 

[Valantar]

From Anandtech's article:

It was stated in our briefing call that there will be a launch of a future Zen2 APU for the consumer market compatible with 500-series motherboards. The company specifically did not say 400-series, but did clarify that the 4000G series announced today was for 400 and 500 series.

So these chips will work on both 400 and 500-series boards, but given that there's no indication whether the teased upcoming retail APUs will be these or some other solution (new silicon?) there's no indication if those will work on 400-series boards. Personally I wouldn't buy a 400-series board for these anyhow, for three reasons: iGPU/SoC VRM capacity (those new iGPUs is going to pull a lot more power than the older ones, especially when overclocked), RAM trace quality/speed support, and HDMI 2.1. All B550 ITX boards support HDMI 2.1, which makes them a shoo-in for a HTPC.

Just let me buy one of these, okay, AMD? Please?

 

[xman2007]

Neah, 300 won't work here, but it seems there's a chance 400 will.

Ryzen 3000 work with 300 chipset so I can't see why the APU's wouldn't

 

[bug]

Ryzen 3000 work with 300 chipset so I can't see why the APU's wouldn't

That's not my problem, it's yours.

 

[xman2007]

That's not my problem, it's yours.

These are basically ryzen 3000 CPU's with igp, not sure how that's a problem or what you can't fathom

 

[Lionheart]

Imagine thinking Vega and Zen+ is not slow by today’s standards.

Imagine ignoring that there are also Zen2 APU's as well, Zen+ are the budget options. "Surprise pikachu Face"

 

[Frick]

Yeah oem only is bollocks, even if only for a while. I assume supply is the reason. Really excited to see what the 4700G can do, especially with some speedy RAM.

 

[xman2007]

Yeah oem only is bollocks, even if only for a while. I assume supply is the reason. Really excited to see what the 4700G can do, especially with some speedy RAM.

I'm sure they can (unofficially) support and have been seen running with something like 4200/4400mhz RAM which is pretty damn awesome compared to last gen, add to that Zen2 cores and hopefully a bit of OC room on the IGP and this could make a really good SFF/itx living room gaming PC

 

[zlobby]

For OEM's only? At least according to Anandtech...
That seems, odd...

PRO variants are very hard to come by outside OEM channels.

 

[Valantar]

PRO variants are very hard to come by outside OEM channels.

That's not just the Pro variants, they're all OEM only for now.

 

[Caring1]

Vega at 2.1GHz ought to perform quite well for an iGPU, and certainly better than any other iGPU. As for the CPU cores, all the Ryzens are Zen 2. The Athlons are Zen+, but so what? They're dirt cheap.

They've basically increased clock speeds to compensate for the reduction in CU's from 11 to 8.
Earlier APU's had the ability to overclock the GPU also.

 

[mechtech]

have to wait for reviews. the HTPC is about 10 years old now.

 

[biffzinker]

Personally I wouldn't buy a 400-series board for these anyhow, for three reasons: iGPU/SoC VRM capacity (those new iGPUs is going to pull a lot more power than the older ones, especially when overclocked), RAM trace quality/speed support, and HDMI 2.1. All B550 ITX boards support HDMI 2.1, which makes them a shoo-in for a HTPC.

You forgot the x4 PCIe v3.0 interconnection between the CPU, and secondary chipset.

 

[Crazy_O]

PRO variants are very hard to come by outside OEM channels.

in Thailand , some PC store sell Ryzen Pro 4350G/4650G/4750G (tray processors) with "New DIY PC set"
(processor only should ask directly)

 

[The Quim Reaper]

Yeah oem only is bollocks, even if only for a while. I assume supply is the reason.

Just a guess..but I bet these 8c16t 4700 APU designs are the same as the silicon in the new consoles, but with the GPU component part replaced with Sony & Microsoft's designs. So AMD might not be able to meet demand for both the console & PC Desktop market at this time.

 

[Dredi]

Just a guess..but I bet these 8c16t 4700 APU designs are the same as the silicon in the new consoles, but with the GPU component part replaced with Sony & Microsoft's designs. So AMD might not be able to meet demand for both the console & PC Desktop market at this time.

No.

These are the same parts as in recent notebooks.

 

[Valantar]

Just a guess..but I bet these 8c16t 4700 APU designs are the same as the silicon in the new consoles, but with the GPU component part replaced with Sony & Microsoft's designs. So AMD might not be able to meet demand for both the console & PC Desktop market at this time.

That's not how silicon design works. I mean, sure, these all have 8 Zen 2 cores, so they are similar. But replacing the iGPU entirely, plus changing the I/O to match (consoles have GDDR6 and at most x8 PCIe for 2 NVME drives, PCs have DDR4 and more PCIe) constitutes a full redesign of the silicon. The consoles also likely contain unknown design tweaks (cache size etc) making them different from the desktop and mobile parts. AMD's silicon designs are "modular" in that you can swap out various parts of the design with others, but I can guarantee you that 0% of these chips is derived from the console designs (not least because console makers paid the R&D costs for those and thus own any design changes). These chips are 100% the same silicon as mobile Renoir, which was announced at CES and has been on the market for quite a while.

 

[zlobby]

in Thailand , some PC store sell Ryzen Pro 4350G/4650G/4750G (tray processors) with "New DIY PC set"
(processor only should ask directly)
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If the respective mobo doesn't have support for the PRO functions there is little sense getting such a CPU.

 

[Chrispy_]

Does anyone know if the Ryzen Pro with built-in graphics supports WIndows RDP hardware accelerated passthrough? I don't have one to test but Quadro/RadeonPro support full OpenGL/DX features over RDP whilst Geforce/Radeon do not.

Renoir's built-in graphics may be enough to actually replace Quadros and RadeonPros

 

[kapone32]

If the respective mobo doesn't have support for the PRO functions there is little sense getting such a CPU.

I would like to think a B550 board might actually work.

 

[prtskg]

More demand compared to earlier years and supply problems due to corona could explain this oem only launch. Hopefully retail launch will come next month or so.

 

[bug]

More demand compared to earlier years and supply problems due to corona could explain this oem only launch. Hopefully retail launch will come next month or so.

Bingo. Idk whether it's because of corona or just general supply issue, but yes, both AMD and Intel have been selling chips as fast they can make them. They have to prioritize. OEMs tend to place big, safe orders, so it's ok to cater to them first. Especially since enthusiasts are already covered. These are not meant for performance critical builds it's not a big deal to build around 3000G a while longer.

 

[zlobby]

I would like to think a B550 board might actually work.

Me too but this is the key differentiator between consumer and enterprise/professional wotkstation markets. It makes little sense for OEM to mix them.