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You think so? I'm betting not..Great for coin mining!!!
You think so? I'm betting not..Great for coin mining!!!
Processor | Core i9-9900k |
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Motherboard | ASRock Z390 Phantom Gaming 6 |
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IKR!!? Can you imagine how long to actually get a return on your investment and electric cost?You think so? I'm betting not..
I guess we should agree to disagree, we just have different ways to evaluate value.Yeah, that's still whining. Your opinion about the price has no merit without the context of performance to grant a perspective of overall value, especially given that the proposed prices are significantly lower than the previous gen cards and are on par with the GTX10xx series cards.
Ok, how do you qualify your opinion? Are you saying that because you can't afford them?
System Name | Bro2 |
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Processor | Ryzen 5800X |
Motherboard | Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite |
Cooling | Corsair h115i pro rgb |
Memory | 32GB G.Skill Flare X 3200 CL14 @3800Mhz CL16 |
Video Card(s) | Powercolor 6900 XT Red Devil 1.1v@2400Mhz |
Storage | M.2 Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500MB/ Samsung 860 Evo 1TB |
Display(s) | LG 27UD69 UHD / LG 27GN950 |
Case | Fractal Design G |
Audio Device(s) | Realtec 5.1 |
Power Supply | Seasonic 750W GOLD |
Mouse | Logitech G402 |
Keyboard | Logitech slim |
Software | Windows 10 64 bit |
I remember when Turing was coming out and the prices were announced, people were shocked a bit how much more NV wants for the cards. Stating that this bump, is due to the tensor cores etc.Yeah, that's still whining. Your opinion about the price has no merit without the context of performance to grant a perspective of overall value, especially given that the proposed prices are significantly lower than the previous gen cards and are on par with the GTX10xx series cards.
System Name | Home |
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Processor | Ryzen 3600X |
Motherboard | MSI Tomahawk 450 MAX |
Cooling | Noctua NH-U14S |
Memory | 16GB Crucial Ballistix 3600 MHz DDR4 CAS 16 |
Video Card(s) | MSI RX 5700XT EVOKE OC |
Storage | Samsung 970 PRO 512 GB |
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Case | MSI - MAG Forge 100M |
Power Supply | Aerocool Lux RGB M 650W |
It's a trick older than the world. You take away 2 things from somebody, they are frustrated. Give them back one thing, now they are happy ...It is kinda funny though but I guess NV's trick payed off.
System Name | Bro2 |
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Processor | Ryzen 5800X |
Motherboard | Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite |
Cooling | Corsair h115i pro rgb |
Memory | 32GB G.Skill Flare X 3200 CL14 @3800Mhz CL16 |
Video Card(s) | Powercolor 6900 XT Red Devil 1.1v@2400Mhz |
Storage | M.2 Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500MB/ Samsung 860 Evo 1TB |
Display(s) | LG 27UD69 UHD / LG 27GN950 |
Case | Fractal Design G |
Audio Device(s) | Realtec 5.1 |
Power Supply | Seasonic 750W GOLD |
Mouse | Logitech G402 |
Keyboard | Logitech slim |
Software | Windows 10 64 bit |
Exactly this bro. Thanks.It's a trick older than the world. You take away 2 things from somebody, they are frustrated. Give them back one thing, now they are happy ...
Processor | I9 9900KS @ 5.3Ghz |
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Motherboard | Gagabyte z390 Aorus Ultra |
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Storage | NVME / SSD RAID arrays |
Display(s) | 38" LG 38GN950-B, 27" BENQ XL2730Z 144hz 1440p, Samsung 27" 3D 1440p |
Case | Thermaltake Core series |
Power Supply | 1.6Kw Silverstone |
Mouse | Roccat Kone EMP |
Keyboard | Corsair Viper Mechanical |
Software | Windows 10 Pro |
System Name | ATLAS |
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Processor | Intel Core i7-4770 (4C/8T) Haswell |
Motherboard | GA-Z87X-UD5H , Dual Intel LAN, 10x SATA, 16x Power phace. |
Cooling | ProlimaTech Armageddon - Dual GELID 140 Silent PWM |
Memory | Mushkin Blackline DDR3 2400 997123F 16GB |
Video Card(s) | MSI GTX1060 OC 6GB (single fan) Micron |
Storage | WD Raptors 73Gb - Raid1 10.000rpm |
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Case | HEC Compucase CI-6919 Full tower (2003) moded .. hec-group.com.tw |
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Power Supply | HPU-4M780-PE refurbished 23-3-2022 |
Mouse | MS Pro IntelliMouse 16.000 Dpi Pixart Paw 3389 |
Keyboard | Microsoft Wired 600 |
Software | Win 7 Pro x64 ( Retail Box ) for EU |
Yeah, that's still whining. Your opinion about the price has no merit without the context of performance to grant a perspective of overall value, especially given that the proposed prices are significantly lower than the previous gen cards and are on par with the GTX10xx series cards.
Ok, how do you qualify your opinion? Are you saying that because you can't afford them?
System Name | Home |
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Processor | 5950x |
Motherboard | Asrock Taichi x370 |
Cooling | Thermalright True Spirit 140 |
Memory | Patriot 32gb DDR4 3200mhz |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire Radeon RX 6700 10gb |
Storage | Too many to count |
Display(s) | U2518D+u2417h |
Case | Chieftec |
Audio Device(s) | onboard |
Power Supply | seasonic prime 1000W |
Mouse | Razer Viper |
Keyboard | Logitech |
Software | Windows 10 |
System Name | ATLAS |
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Processor | Intel Core i7-4770 (4C/8T) Haswell |
Motherboard | GA-Z87X-UD5H , Dual Intel LAN, 10x SATA, 16x Power phace. |
Cooling | ProlimaTech Armageddon - Dual GELID 140 Silent PWM |
Memory | Mushkin Blackline DDR3 2400 997123F 16GB |
Video Card(s) | MSI GTX1060 OC 6GB (single fan) Micron |
Storage | WD Raptors 73Gb - Raid1 10.000rpm |
Display(s) | DELL U2311H |
Case | HEC Compucase CI-6919 Full tower (2003) moded .. hec-group.com.tw |
Audio Device(s) | Creative X-Fi Music + mods, Audigy front Panel - YAMAHA quad speakers with Sub. |
Power Supply | HPU-4M780-PE refurbished 23-3-2022 |
Mouse | MS Pro IntelliMouse 16.000 Dpi Pixart Paw 3389 |
Keyboard | Microsoft Wired 600 |
Software | Win 7 Pro x64 ( Retail Box ) for EU |
Very few people will buy those cards, steam survey showed 5700xt and RTX cards are non existent, people still game on gtx 1060 and similar cards.
When the times comes that gtx 1060 can't run games even on low settings maybe then people will upgrade to something.
Processor | Ryzen 3600x |
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Motherboard | MPG B550 GAMING PLUS |
Cooling | Gamdias AIO 3x |
Memory | 32768 MB Corsair 8192 MB (DDR4-3200) |
Video Card(s) | RX 6750 XT (RTX 2060) |
Storage | Samsung SSD 990 PRO 1TB/Samsung SSD 970 EVO 500GB |
Display(s) | 2x AOC 27G2G8 (AOC2702) 27.2 inches (69.1 cm) / 1920 x 1080 pixels @ 48-240 (curved) |
Mouse | No idea brand |
Keyboard | Same as above |
Software | Win11 Pro |
Folding At Home,.. thenYou think so? I'm betting not..
Processor | Intel i5-12600k |
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Motherboard | Asus H670 TUF |
Cooling | Arctic Freezer 34 |
Memory | 2x16GB DDR4 3600 G.Skill Ripjaws V |
Video Card(s) | EVGA GTX 1060 SC |
Storage | 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 2TB Crucial MX500 |
Display(s) | Dell U3219Q + HP ZR24w |
Case | Raijintek Thetis |
Audio Device(s) | Audioquest Dragonfly Red :D |
Power Supply | Seasonic 620W M12 |
Mouse | Logitech G502 Proteus Core |
Keyboard | G.Skill KM780R |
Software | Arch Linux + Win10 |
Very few people will buy those cards, steam survey showed 5700xt and RTX cards are non existent, people still game on gtx 1060 and similar cards.
When the times comes that gtx 1060 can't run games even on low settings maybe then people will upgrade to something.
Considering $700 is more than the average income in many countries, you are both correct, no one will argue with that.I love talking with facts, and therefore in the market of Greece, vast majority of home users (plus gaming), will spent 150 Euro max.
I am willing to pay up to 210 Euro for one ASUS GTS 1660 Super, with quality cooling system.
I do not care of what 3D developers or Gamers (gaming professionally and making money) they will select.
Processor | Ryzen 7800X3D |
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Motherboard | ROG STRIX B650E-F GAMING WIFI |
Memory | 2x16GB G.Skill Flare X5 DDR5-6000 CL36 (F5-6000J3636F16GX2-FX5) |
Video Card(s) | INNO3D GeForce RTX™ 4070 Ti SUPER TWIN X2 |
Storage | 2TB Samsung 980 PRO, 4TB WD Black SN850X |
Display(s) | 42" LG C2 OLED, 27" ASUS PG279Q |
Case | Thermaltake Core P5 |
Power Supply | Fractal Design Ion+ Platinum 760W |
Mouse | Corsair Dark Core RGB Pro SE |
Keyboard | Corsair K100 RGB |
VR HMD | HTC Vive Cosmos |
Turing's problem was not that bang/$ was straight up bad. The problem was lack of improvement in bang/$. If you were buying new, Pascal no longer made sense and Navi/Supers made a small but noticeable step towards better.What surprised me is that Turing sold. At the same prices.
Processor | Intel i5-12600k |
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Motherboard | Asus H670 TUF |
Cooling | Arctic Freezer 34 |
Memory | 2x16GB DDR4 3600 G.Skill Ripjaws V |
Video Card(s) | EVGA GTX 1060 SC |
Storage | 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 2TB Crucial MX500 |
Display(s) | Dell U3219Q + HP ZR24w |
Case | Raijintek Thetis |
Audio Device(s) | Audioquest Dragonfly Red :D |
Power Supply | Seasonic 620W M12 |
Mouse | Logitech G502 Proteus Core |
Keyboard | G.Skill KM780R |
Software | Arch Linux + Win10 |
Well, that is not necessarily true. In RTRT department, Turing brought a hell of a bang/$ improvement.Turing's problem was not that bang/$ was straight up bad. The problem was lack of improvement in bang/$. If you were buying new, Pascal no longer made sense and Navi/Supers made a small but noticeable step towards better.
That is because the current prices are on par with the Pascal GTX 10xx series cards. It wasn't a "trick". NVidia invested A LOT of money into hardware based RTRT R&D and they needed to recover that money. It's as simple as that.Now you get prices for new NV release and everyone is ok with it. It is kinda funny though but I guess NV's trick payed off.
That would be a very good use. It's a different kind of compute so the yield rate is measured differently.Folding At Home,.. then
System Name | ATLAS |
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Processor | Intel Core i7-4770 (4C/8T) Haswell |
Motherboard | GA-Z87X-UD5H , Dual Intel LAN, 10x SATA, 16x Power phace. |
Cooling | ProlimaTech Armageddon - Dual GELID 140 Silent PWM |
Memory | Mushkin Blackline DDR3 2400 997123F 16GB |
Video Card(s) | MSI GTX1060 OC 6GB (single fan) Micron |
Storage | WD Raptors 73Gb - Raid1 10.000rpm |
Display(s) | DELL U2311H |
Case | HEC Compucase CI-6919 Full tower (2003) moded .. hec-group.com.tw |
Audio Device(s) | Creative X-Fi Music + mods, Audigy front Panel - YAMAHA quad speakers with Sub. |
Power Supply | HPU-4M780-PE refurbished 23-3-2022 |
Mouse | MS Pro IntelliMouse 16.000 Dpi Pixart Paw 3389 |
Keyboard | Microsoft Wired 600 |
Software | Win 7 Pro x64 ( Retail Box ) for EU |
Considering $700 is more than the average income in many countries, you are both correct, no one will argue with that.
What surprised me is that Turing sold. At the same prices. Which only tells me Ampere will sell, too (of course, the cards just announced won't sell as much as their mainstream counterparts, but that's another story), thus prices are unlikely to back down anytime soon
This is not whining ( I am making this declaration so to avoid any comment from the dear @lexluthermiester)
This is not whining of course. You're offering an opinion based on speculation of a particular set of circumstances and perspective. I think you're right, the used market will be saturated as that has already begun.Last night I was thinking (off-line) that the market this is not an empty pit, so the new coming hardware this to be easily be adopted (find customers).
Those days there is saturation within VGA market, I have a friend computers builder he did invest getting an GTS 2070 so to demonstrate advanced 3D performance at his customers.
Today he was whining to me, that the 3000 is on the corner and even so there is no demand even for the GTS 2070.
I am suspecting that lack of demand this it will happen also in the market of used cards, no one will be easily push a used GTS 2070 so him to get a fresher one, therefore even the market of used this will be saturated.
We have a saying in Greece: This period of time this is harsh even if you are a prince = revaluate your priorities and act wise all times.
Processor | Intel i5-12600k |
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Motherboard | Asus H670 TUF |
Cooling | Arctic Freezer 34 |
Memory | 2x16GB DDR4 3600 G.Skill Ripjaws V |
Video Card(s) | EVGA GTX 1060 SC |
Storage | 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 2TB Crucial MX500 |
Display(s) | Dell U3219Q + HP ZR24w |
Case | Raijintek Thetis |
Audio Device(s) | Audioquest Dragonfly Red :D |
Power Supply | Seasonic 620W M12 |
Mouse | Logitech G502 Proteus Core |
Keyboard | G.Skill KM780R |
Software | Arch Linux + Win10 |
To your knowledge, is this different from previous GPU launches? I mean, is it particular to Turing or is it business as usual?
This is not whining of course. You're offering an opinion based on speculation of a particular set of circumstances and perspective. I think you're right, the used market will be saturated as that has already begun.
You mean the used market being saturated during a release of a new gen of GPU? Yeah, it's happened a few times. The GTX2XX series of card were so good and priced so well that the previous gen(GT/GTX 9XXX) ended up becoming very cheap in the used market. Same thing happened with the 7XXX series when the 8XXX series came out and just stomped the market. Radeons have had some of those experiences as well.To your knowledge, is this different from previous GPU launches? I mean, is it particular to Turing or is it business as usual?
System Name | Bro2 |
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Processor | Ryzen 5800X |
Motherboard | Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite |
Cooling | Corsair h115i pro rgb |
Memory | 32GB G.Skill Flare X 3200 CL14 @3800Mhz CL16 |
Video Card(s) | Powercolor 6900 XT Red Devil 1.1v@2400Mhz |
Storage | M.2 Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500MB/ Samsung 860 Evo 1TB |
Display(s) | LG 27UD69 UHD / LG 27GN950 |
Case | Fractal Design G |
Audio Device(s) | Realtec 5.1 |
Power Supply | Seasonic 750W GOLD |
Mouse | Logitech G402 |
Keyboard | Logitech slim |
Software | Windows 10 64 bit |
Processor | Ryzen 7800X3D |
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Motherboard | ROG STRIX B650E-F GAMING WIFI |
Memory | 2x16GB G.Skill Flare X5 DDR5-6000 CL36 (F5-6000J3636F16GX2-FX5) |
Video Card(s) | INNO3D GeForce RTX™ 4070 Ti SUPER TWIN X2 |
Storage | 2TB Samsung 980 PRO, 4TB WD Black SN850X |
Display(s) | 42" LG C2 OLED, 27" ASUS PG279Q |
Case | Thermaltake Core P5 |
Power Supply | Fractal Design Ion+ Platinum 760W |
Mouse | Corsair Dark Core RGB Pro SE |
Keyboard | Corsair K100 RGB |
VR HMD | HTC Vive Cosmos |
Using Displayport, yes.The new graphics from NV are compatible with Free sync monitors aren't they?