AMD Ryzen 9 5900X CPU-Z Bench Score Leaks, 27% Higher 1T Performance Over 3700X

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Builds? I dunno; Low 3-digit figures myself, I have a couple of minions to crank out repeats and I just deal with sorting out new spec/builds/imaging when stocks dry up and force us to switch vendor/model etc. As for unique platforms, that probably spans at least a dozen B350/450/550/570 boards and three X399 models. When you have to keep ~1000 machines up to date on a 3-4 year cycle you tend to get through large quantities of builds and variants a month, but it's the personal commissions that actually give me just as much variety of build because there's no benefit in me standardising.

I reckon about 25% of the combinations, RAM doesn't work with the XMP profile, and I can always get it to work with the DRAM calc, though not necessarily with the default settings - sometimes I have to pick bad bin, or drop from B-die to OEM but it doesn't matter, I'm only concerned with getting them booting and stable at the higher FCLK.

So Ryzen calc works the same there then, hit n miss, I could and did get by without it often too.
Patriot And certified Ram has been faultless for me though, even beyond Xmp ,last few builds I went with them, they're not expensive comparatively either.
But I still disagree that Xmp should just work, I understand it would be nice but it's unrealistic, didn't AMD make Amp an Xmp competition, not seen anything about it in years, shits vague now.

@ARF do the maths FFS, 8 cores add 2= 20% more cores = Intel having many a brew break chilling.

clap f#£@&g clap.

 

[Chrispy_]

They can call it Susan 43 I couldn't care less

I'd totally buy a Susan 43 processor. It's not any worse than "Ryzen"

 

[ARF]

I'd totally buy a Susan 43 processor. It's not any worse than "Ryzen"

Yeah, Zen is not even the correct spelling, it must be Chán or Dhyaan, Japanese 禅 , Sanskrit ध्यान , Chinese 禪.

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[Chrispy_]

Patriot And certified Ram has been faultless for me though, even beyond Xmp ,last few builds I went with them, they're not expensive comparatively either.
But I still disagree that Xmp should just work, I understand it would be nice but it's unrealistic, didn't AMD make Amp an Xmp competition, not seen anything about it in years, shits vague now.

Rings a bell but Asus DOCP is about the closest we can get and that's just them tweaking the XMP values before feeding it to the AGESA training boots I think.

As for Patriot, I've used a couple variants of their Viper Steel/Blackout (at 3466 and 3600, I think) and found them flawless in MSI, problematic on lower-end Gigabyte and all of the Asrock platforms. YMMV but I suspect it's more about the silicon lottery of each particular batch/bin than a particular guaranteed make/model. I've certainly heard reports of the 'gold standard' (G.Skill Trident Z Royal) failing to post at XMP profile, which is what makes me think that luck of the draw, coupled with easy-to-quit memory training that's the problem.

Yeah, Zen is not even the correct spelling, it must be Chán or Dhyaan, Japanese 禅 , Sanskrit ध्यान , Chinese 禪.

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when Ryzen launched, Lisa Su specifically explained that the name was a play on "new Horizon". I'm not sure if the codename was already Zen at that point or whether Zen was born of that phrase....

 

[Rob94hawk]

I love my 3900X, but if single thread performance increases that much, I might upgrade the the 5900X.
I'll wait for the TPU review before making any decision.

Where is it saying the 5900X is faster than the 3900?

 

[ARF]

when Ryzen launched, Lisa Su specifically explained that the name was a play on "new Horizon". I'm not sure if the codename was already Zen at that point or whether Zen was born of that phrase....

I think their job is all days long to think how to milk the customers and how to confuse them and tell fairy tales....

"All similarities are in your imagination and there only":

 

[Franzen4Real]

It's not funny to go with out a job. Specially in the long run, as you feel the economic worries coming with low or no income at all situation.

Let's hope the vaccine will come fast, so we can get this dam virus out of the way and we can get back to more normal times. Althrow the virus is here to stay, but with a vaccine it will hopefully not be a bigger problem than the common cold/flu.

Very true. In the past I had gone through a sudden business closing as well, and that was incredibly stressful without a pandemic causing chaos in the workforce. I wish you the best.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I think their job is all days long to think how to milk the customers and how to confuse them and tell fairy tales....

"All similarities are in your imagination and there only":

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It's a. Name like Paco Bel, Sony, Hyundai, Dave.

They can spell it how they want , the shit in your mind twists it into mattering.

 

[ARF]

It's a. Name like Paco Bel, Sony, Hyundai, Dave.

They can spell it how they want , the shit in your mind twists it into mattering.

I see that the crap is not only in your mind but also on your naughty fingers

 

[Makaveli]

Now i have a reason to upgrade.View attachment 170356

You are going to still be waiting abit.

There won't be bios support for x400 boards at launch from what I've seen.

 

[Chrispy_]

I think their job is all days long to think how to milk the customers and how to confuse them and tell fairy tales....

Actually now you've reminded me of the Zen circle in the logo, I recall that they changed it to Ryzen by combining Zen with new horizon because Zen can't be trademarked.

 

[Turmania]

I never forget bulldozer and hype before launch then the total silence after launch that was priceless.

 

[z1n0x]

I never forget bulldozer and hype before launch then the total silence after launch that was priceless.

It seems to me, Faildozer's AMD and Zen's AMD are two different companies.
If AMD could made that 180° turn and with the Radeon group that would be nice.

 

[BorisDG]

Where is it saying the 5900X is faster than the 3900?

If it's not, than whats the point?

 

[phill]

Whilst it is only CPU-Z bench test results, looks positive and I hope this is just the tip of the iceberg..... Can't wait to see the TPU review of the 5 series CPUs and big Navi.... October looks to be a good month!

 

[Caring1]

@ARF do the maths FFS, 8 cores add 2= 20% more cores = Intel having many a brew break chilling.

clap f#£@&g clap.

2 is 25% of 8.
It's only 20% when calculated from 10.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

2 is 25% of 8.
It's only 20% when calculated from 10.

I waaas trying to be nice to ARF.

 

[Minus Infinity]

Sounds impressive and finally my old i5 3570K which I only bought as a stop gap BTW in 2012 will finally get punted to the never never. I'm thinking 5900X + Big Navi to be the basis of my new PC build. I may also update my other PC with a Zen 1700X, but I may wait for a Zen 4 with DDR5 and RDNA 3 for that upgrade as it's stills works very well.

That's a nice uplift. I'd rather want to see the 3700x compared to 5700x or 3900x vs 5900x but this is still promising. The single core bench number is quite amazing.

Well surely 1T performance will be at least as good if not better as you would think 5700X could hit a bit higher clocks than the 5900X.

 

[Nihilus]

Glad they are calling it the 5000 series as it should get back in line with laptop numbering. AMD 4000 series was special in efficiency and deserved its own numbering line.

 

[sergionography]

Zen2 had uplift in single and in multicore compared to Zen1 or Zen+. 2700X to 3700X had 12% increase in single core CPU-Z score (457 to 509), but 13% increase in multicore (4839 to 5465).

It's strange that 3900X to 5900X wouldn't follow the same pattern, especially with the TDP and frequency uplift. I could imagine this result if processor was thermally or power limited.

At this rate you start to run into limits such as memory bandwidth and throttling of clocks. Ipc doesn't translate the same to multicore because the cores aren't even loaded near 100% to even benefit from the ipc. Zen 1 to zen 2 seems bigger because sustained multicore clocks increased drastically from the transition to 7nm and the new architecture. So in reality sustained clocks were probably much higher than the 12% gain you saw

 

[ratirt]

Well surely 1T performance will be at least as good if not better as you would think 5700X could hit a bit higher clocks than the 5900X.

Probably. I think all the new Ryzens will hit 5Ghz but maybe more in some cases than that but not necessarily.

 

[Chrispy_]

I think all the new Ryzens will hit 5Ghz but maybe more in some cases than that but not necessarily.

I wouldn't get your hopes up; Almost every single AMD launch in the last 20 years has been preceded by leaks and hints that clocks would be higher than they turned out to be. Call it optimism for the underdog or sensationalism to generate clicks but the real products have always been considerably more tame than the hype train.

I'm not a betting man but I suspect the 5600 will run boost at ~4.5GHz and the best bins like the 5900X and 5950X will maybe run at 5GHz single-threaded.

I'd like to be wrong, but the historic evidence is absolutely overwhelming, and we're likely looking at a 200-300MHz bump over Zen2. For games at least, that translates to a 5700X running 4-8 threads at ~4.6Ghz, which isn't too shabby when added to the claimed IPC improvements.

 

[ratirt]

I wouldn't get your hopes up. Almost every single AMD launch in the last 20 years has been preceded by leaks and hints that clocks would be higher than they turn out to be.
I'm not a betting man but I suspect the 5600 will run boost at ~4.5GHz and the best bins like the 5900X and 5950X will maybe run at 5GHz single-threaded.
I'd like to be wrong, but the historic evidence is absolutely overwhelming, and we're likely looking at a 200-300MHz bump over Zen2.

I don't see anything wrong in saying it may happen and that has nothing to do with hope. Seeing how AMD advances the Ryzen it is not impossible. If AMD doesn't pull off 5Ghz the whatever these will still be great CPUs anyway. Considering how they move the CCX's packing more cores, reducing latency and making them smaller it is very plausible that 5Ghz is not a miracle but can actually happen.
There's not a long way from 4.6 to 5ghz you know. AMD done clock bump earlier with other Ryzens so maybe this time around it can be the same story.

 

[Chrispy_]

I don't see anything wrong in saying it may happen and that has nothing to do with hope. Seeing how AMD advances the Ryzen it is not impossible. If AMD doesn't pull off 5Ghz the whatever these will still be great CPUs anyway. Considering how they move the CCX's packing more cores, reducing latency and making them smaller it is very plausible that 5Ghz is not a miracle but can actually happen.
There's not a long way from 4.6 to 5ghz you know. AMD done clock bump earlier with other Ryzens so maybe this time around it can be the same story.

Aye, there's room for both optimism and pessimism in the same discussion.
TBH, I'm not even that fussed about high clockspeeds - all it does it drive up power consumption and drive down efficiency. I'm definitely interested in the lower latency and the 1T IPC gains.

 

[ratirt]

Aye, there's room for both optimism and pessimism in the same discussion.
TBH, I'm not even that fussed about high clockspeeds - all it does it drive up power consumption and drive down efficiency. I'm definitely interested in the lower latency and the 1T IPC gains.

True, but you can always dial the clocks down if you have TDP distaste. What I mean is, I'd be OK with this CPU no matter what happens. It will definitely be better than 3000 series Ryzen that's just inevitable.