NVIDIA Allegedly Already Preparing an RTX 3080 Ti Graphics Card

[ratirt]

Technically the global AMD company is still an underdog as they don't have the marketshare for CPUs either (yet).
Another year or two of Intel screwing up should mean that even the most heavily coerced enterprise clients and OEMs can't ignore their dominance any longer.

I think you are being too liberal with the word "underdog" which basically means that the company being an underdog is weaker and has no chance of winning or achieving a success with the competing company. Now, what is winning or success here? Getting market share (it is growing like crazy for AMD and market sahre can't be restored within a month or two) or releasing a product (in this case graphics card) that will perform very well with a decent price in comparison to the competing company?
Just to add. Market share for AMD (CPU) from 2018 Q3 till 2020 Q3 went up by 18%. It is oscillating at around 37%. Meaning it is growing. Still underdog ? Thoughts?
Question. When AMD will not become an underdog in your eyes? When it reaches 50% or more? The odds are it will for sure so do we have to wait till it does?

Why not GTX 1080 ti launch price remember? With amount of LoL 11GB GDDR5X in time of release that was tremendous size for gaming card. What is different today and reason for $1k+ And just 2GB more VRAM for ~$25-30 is not reason to lift price with $300+.

Of course I remember. Good times.

 

[BoboOOZ]

Don't get yourself confused , it is true that Samsung manufacturing capabilities are far from being enough to meet the demand and this for all SKUs BUT this doesn't mean that their defect rate ratio on 3090 cores isn't enough to allow Nvidia to create a 3080Ti SKU . Also from what i've seen on Proshop.de report 3070 availability seems to be much more ample than 3080/3090 , still not enough to totally meet the demand but ample non the less .

Much more ample is something like 10x the volume? that's pretty much what I heard, too, and what I heard also is the demand for these cheaper SKU is about 10 times higher, too. So the availability is looking bad.

If people can't get their hands on these utterly overpriced 3090 shows that there's a real yield issue. I have a hard time believing they have yield issues for 3090 and 3080 but that they have tens of thousands of chips that can fit between these skews. You believe what you want, though.

To me this whole thing looks like Fermi all over again, with a very average and power-hungry node, and Nvidia scrambling to come with meaningful updates in a very short time, hence abandoning 2x more VRAM models, coming with Ti models very fast and following up with a 7nm update as soon as possible next year to minimize the damage and take back performance and consumption crowns again.

 

[Flanker]

What a mess lol

 

[BoboOOZ]

I think you are being too liberal with the word "underdog" which basically means that the company being an underdog is weaker and has no chance of winning or achieving a success with the competing company.

Come on, man, yours is the more liberal/republican definition
"in a competition, the person or team considered to be the weakest and the least likely to win "

underdog

1. a person or group of people with less power, money, etc. than the rest of…

dictionary.cambridge.org

 

[kapone32]

It might, if AMD decides to attack Nvidia's discrete GPU market share. They did it to Intel and it worked. I see no reason why Lisa would not pull the same strategy on Nvidia. They're on much better node, no problems with yields, plenty of production spare capacity since mobile producers have moved to TSMC's 5nm. On the other hand Nvidia seems stuck on Samsung's low yielding 8nm (10nm in reality), not suitable for big chips node. At least for now. Now is the time to make Nvidia bleed.

In my opinion we have to remember the launch of the upcoming consoles. In order not to lose sales AMD cannot price their new cards too far outside of the spec of the consoles at $599 for a PS5 I don't see the new Radeon cards being over $1000 unless the highest end card is indeed using 16GB of HBM2.

 

[ratirt]

Come on, man, yours is the more liberal/republican definition
"in a competition, the person or team considered to be the weakest and the least likely to win "

underdog

1. a person or group of people with less power, money, etc. than the rest of…

dictionary.cambridge.org

There you go. I don't see AMD as the one to likely loose in the GPU.

 

[BoboOOZ]

There you go. I don't see AMD as the one to likely loose in the GPU.

Well, then, you live in a very different world than mine. Until 3 months ago I wasn't even sure AMD were gonna compete in the high-end, let alone take one of the crowns.

 

[Chrispy_]

Come on, man, yours is the more liberal/republican definition
"in a competition, the person or team considered to be the weakest and the least likely to win "

underdog

1. a person or group of people with less power, money, etc. than the rest of…

dictionary.cambridge.org

This.

Underdog simply means that they're not the dominant company. AMD aren't dominant in market share, profit, revenue, share price, popularity, software development, compatibility, software support, I mean - the list goes on for almost as many categories as you can imagine. If you want to narrow your definition of underdog to a specific category and set of criteria, then do that.

Saying "AMD is not an underdog" in the broadest possible sense is provably wrong. There is a vast wealth of published data showing them to be the dictionary definition of underdog.

There you go. I don't see AMD as the one to likely loose in the GPU.

You're now specifically choosing one particular market segment (consumer GPU) and one particular criteria within that segment (performance/$). It needs to beat the 3090 to take the overall performance crown - and I'm not saying it won't either, but 6800XT may not quite beat the 3090 in absolute performance based on leaks - we'll have to see reviews in the coming week.

 

[ratirt]

Well, then, you live in a very different world than mine. Until 3 months ago I wasn't even sure AMD were gonna compete in the high-end, let alone take one of the crowns.

It's the same world we just see it in a different way. Nothing wrong with that.

Underdog simply means that they're not the dominant company. AMD aren't dominant in market share, profit, revenue, share price, popularity, software development, compatibility, software support, I mean - the list goes on for almost as many categories as you can imagine. If you want to narrow your definition of underdog to a specific category and set of criteria, then do that.
Saying "AMD is not an underdog" in the broadest possible sense is provably wrong.

It is not wrong. You just cling to something that was always there and even though it's changing you refuse to accept it?
Like I said previously. I don't think AMD is likely to loose in the GPU competition. The reset you know already.

This.

Underdog simply means that they're not the dominant company. AMD aren't dominant in market share, profit, revenue, share price, popularity, software development, compatibility, software support, I mean - the list goes on for almost as many categories as you can imagine. If you want to narrow your definition of underdog to a specific category and set of criteria, then do that.

Saying "AMD is not an underdog" in the broadest possible sense is provably wrong. There is a vast wealth of published data showing them to be the dictionary definition of underdog.



You're now specifically choosing one particular market segment (consumer GPU) and one particular criteria within that segment (performance/$). It needs to beat the 3090 to take the overall performance crown - and I'm not saying it won't either, but 6800XT may not quite beat the 3090 in absolute performance based on leaks - we'll have to see reviews in the coming week.

You said AMD is an underdog of the GPU market. I disagree and now I am choosing specifically.
So winning and/or success means performance or statistics (market share) you guys were talking about?

 

[Vayra86]

GD6X?
Did he just make that up?

Its like 2K. Total BS for streamers and hipsters, marketing speak lands very well with them, its their reality.

 

[Chrispy_]

It is not wrong. You just cling to something that was always there and even though it's changing you refuse to accept it?
Like I said previously. I don't think AMD is likely to loose in the GPU competition. The reset you know already.

You said AMD is an underdog of the GPU market. I disagree and now I am choosing specifically.
So winning and/or success means performance or statistics (market share) you guys were talking about?

I mean if you can't understand why you're wrong I can't explain it to you without just repeating myself. All the facts and stats are out there and available to the ordinary public; I'm not clinging to old data, I'm using current data from 2020 published today. They are a smaller company with smaller market share and smaller gross revenue/profit than their competition.

As a multi-sector company there are so many other metrics and sectors. If you can't understand that simple point I (and others) are making, there's no hope in progressing this any further.

If I was using an automotive analogy, we're at the point in the AMD/Intel drag race where AMD are now moving much faster than Intel down the track, but they're catching up from so far behind that the actual overtake isn't going to happen for a while yet.

 

[TechLurker]

This just as to be one of the bigger clusterfcks this time around from NVIDIA, of all corporations. It'd be understandable if it was Intel flailing about with rushed releases and ping-ponging between available in-house nodes, but this is NVIDIA, who still has the commanding lead, but let some greed screw them over.

 

[fynxer]

thing is, out of stock

I have bought over 10 cards now. Stock comes in pretty frequently all the time but you cannot get a card sitting around hoping it will come to you, you have to put in some work to get them.

I just put a reasonable mark up of 40% and sell to all the lazy people that rather pay more money than put in the work to get one.

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

I bet this is what the 3080 20GB was supposed to be.

 

[my_name_is_earl]

thing is, out of stock

Yes, I refuse to pay stupid ebay premium for low quantity item.

 

[Crustybeaver]

So it would seem that the AMD RTG is an underdog but the global AMD company isn't.
Hmm.

Seemed pretty obvious to me that he was referring to AMD being the underdog when it comes to GPUs. Based on market share vs Nvidia and their complete lack of competition in the high end sector for many years. The thread is about Nvidia releasing a Ti card meaning any reference to AMD being the underdog would be in reference to their rivalry with Nvidia. Not sure why you're so perplexed.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Are you better than that? It is a discussion about the AMD company releasing new graphics cards

Hmmmm, I must be in the wrong thread. I thought I was in an NVIDIA release rumor thread.

 

[Gmr_Chick]

Jesus, these GPU "launches" are getting beyond stupid at this point. My head hurts.

If this holds true, can someone please remind me again what the hell the purpose of the 3090 is (seeing as how the xx80 Ti cards have always been king of the hill) besides the whole "9 is a bigger number than 8 dur hur!" BS. I guess what I'm trying to say is, and still trying to wrap my head around, why does the 3090 even exist? It's not a Titan, and now with Nvidia allegedly prepping a 3080 Ti (king of the hill, remember) what use does the 3090 have besides bragging rights and epeen points?

 

[EarthDog]

Not that I am %100 showing off, but also to show the reaction of Earthdog when said that a while agoView attachment 173501

Alleged AMD Radeon "Big Navi" Prototype Pictured

Good to see it tested in a clean and sterile environment.

www.techpowerup.com

mmmm... crow. Lol

As I said, I'll bet it lands between a 2080ti and Ampre flagship. I believe it will fall at least 10% short of ampre on performance alone (no clue on rtx performance, likely the same idea...faster than 2080ti, slower than ampre) and slightly worse power to performance overall. Pricing on these parts, from both parties, will be paramount in choosing the right card...and amd will surely be a worthy competitor and offer viable options.

The question now becomes what people are calling the flagship...ill get rekt if we use my thinking (3080), but not so much if we think like the anti-titan contigent. Now sounds like a good time to jump the tracks...

Anyway, the card has been played. As a consumer, you almost have to wait on the first guy to one up the second for best value. Lol

 

[saki630]

fake news 3080ti is not coming. What more can you gain between 3080-3090? If the 3080ti is not less $$ than a 3080, its a flop. You either get 165fps at 1440p or you get 166fps, no difference.

Bigger news if you need to trade in your Big-Navi+Kidney to get one of these.

 

[bubbleawsome]

People saying AMD isn’t the underdog are really not looking at the bigger picture. AMD’s entire revenue (CPU+GPU+Other) doesn’t come anywhere close to matching either Nvidia or Intel, and they’re competing with both. Even if they have a slight upper hand in CPUs right now they’re still very much an underdog.

 

[ratirt]

fake news 3080ti is not coming. What more can you gain between 3080-3090? If the 3080ti is not less $$ than a 3080, its a flop. You either get 165fps at 1440p or you get 166fps, no difference.

Bigger news if you need to trade in your Big-Navi+Kidney to get one of these.

It is a possibility. 3080 TI can happen just like the 2080 Ti happened the only matter is just price. Hopefully NV will not go overboard with the price. Some suggested $699, just like the 1080 TI release price was which I believe will not happen.

 

[Prima.Vera]

thing is, out of stock

Availability 2033.

 

[Bjorn_Of_Iceland]

Will it guzzle the same electricity as a 3090?

 

[ratirt]

Checked today. The 3070 showed up in the listing but the confirmed stocks dates look really bad. :/ end of November as of now :/ No idea how much stock will be there.

Availability 2033.

or maybe 2077 CyberPunk's action date