AMD Announces the Radeon RX 6000 Series: Performance that Restores Competitiveness

[Sasqui]

So I can retire my Vega 64 now?

 

[mandelore]

If AMD are going to compare a 6900XT with rage mode (overclocked), surely they should compare it to an overclocked 3090 for a fair comparison.

Or just not use rage mode. Cant get a proper idea of performance, although they "are" just slides.

Need a proper game-off between these two cards

 

[R0H1T]

Well the 3090 is in a permanent Rage mode ~ given its power consumption & thermals, seems pretty fair to me.

 

[HTC]

All 3 of these cards are way too expensive for me. The performance IS there, but so is the price ...

Unless there's a card with substantially superior performance (VS my current card) @ a LOW power consumption that costs @ most 380€, i'll be skipping this round of GPUs entirely.

 

[Cheeseball]

If AMD are going to compare a 6900XT with rage mode (overclocked), surely they should compare it to an overclocked 3090 for a fair comparison.

Or just not use rage mode. Cant get a proper idea of performance, although they "are" just slides.

Need a proper game-off between these two cards

That is a good point. Are there slides that show the configuration of the RTX 3080/3090 they used to compare? If it's stock NVIDIA cards vs their own with Rage+SAM being used, that wouldn't be fair per say.

But at $50 less for more +5 GB VRAM (albeit standard GDDR6 with an extra 128 MB Infinity Cache) kind of evens that out in a way. From a performance perspective, based off AMD's slides, they are nearly match-for-match, which is what we as consumers need.

All 3 of these cards are way too expensive for me. The performance IS there, but so is the price ...

Unless there's a card with substantially superior performance (VS my current card) @ a LOW power consumption that costs @ most 380€, i'll be skipping this round of GPUs entirely.

The current RTX 2060 Super, RX 5700 XT and RTX 2070 looks like that would fulfill that for you, unless you want the newer architectures for upcoming games.

 

[witkazy]

What a pleasant turn of events is all i'm sain' ,cheers.

 

[HTC]

That is a good point. Are there slides that show the configuration of the RTX 3080/3090 they used to compare? If it's stock NVIDIA cards vs their own with Rage+SAM being used, that wouldn't be fair per say.

The current RTX 2060 Super, RX 5700 XT and RTX 2070 looks like that would fulfill that for you, unless you want the newer architectures for upcoming games.

Check the last 4 pics in the OP of the live blog topic: those are all footnotes.

The cheapest available 5700 XT costs 390€, and that's with a 35€ discount promotion. In any case, it's power consumption is WAY too high for me.

As for nVidia's offerings, i dislike their business practices so i avoid their cards entirely: i "speak" with my wallet.

 

[Searing]

Did you just put words into my mouth and call me a tool and in a single sentence? That's how I read it, anyway.

Where did I say "wowee look how good the 3080 is vs the 2080 ti"?
I've never said that.

As for "AMD didn't improve performance/$ vs the 3070", they haven't. AMD directly compared the 6800 at $579 to the 2080Ti and it was a damn close match. Reviewers (yesterday) proved that the $499 3070 is also a damn close match, so AMD's $579 card is performing like Nvidia's $499 card.

More to the point though, I didn't even compare to Nvidia at all - I specifically said "not moving the performance/$ forward for anyone against their own product stack". We're talking 2080Ti performance for $579 compared to the previous best AMD had to offer, the 5700XT at $399

So, $579 is 45% more expensive than $399, and here's how much faster that extra 45% cost is....

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Yeah, AMD's best value 6000-series card has WORSE performance/$ than their current 5000-series card.

I'm talking about the idea that perf/dollar didn't increase because you are not looking in the same price bracket. And your graph is wrong, the 6800 looks to be at least 18 percent faster on average at 1440p vs the 2080 ti... that would make it an improvement.

118/75 is 57 percent faster for less than 57 percent more money. So you're just wrong, sorry.

 

[efikkan]

They are really stretching out releases these days; an announcement of an announcement of an announcement. I wish they could just release it already.

 

[Cheeseball]

Check the last 4 pics in the OP of the live blog topic: those are all footnotes.

The cheapest available 5700 XT costs 390€, and that's with a 35€ discount promotion. In any case, it's power consumption is WAY too high for me.

As for nVidia's offerings, i dislike their business practices so i avoid their cards entirely: i "speak" with my wallet.

The RX 5700 XT can be undervolted and brought down below the 225W TDP. It would still be more than the 150W TDP of your RX 480 . Your Corsair 850W can handle that no problem though.

 

[Sasqui]

The RX 5700 XT can be undervolted and brought down below the 225W TDP. It would still be more than the 150W TDP of your RX 480 . Your Corsair 850W can handle that no problem though.

I wonder if the undervolting days will be gone with big navi? With the Vega 64 it's the only way to really overclock, and wow does it overclock!

 

[HTC]

The RX 5700 XT can be undervolted and brought down below the 225W TDP. It would still be more than the 150W TDP of your RX 480 . Your Corsair 850W can handle that no problem though.

While true using windows, not so much using linux: @ least i dunno how to do it in linux.

 

[Alduin]

Rx 6800xt Great card revolutionary Gpu Arch
But lower Rt performance
and that price is ridiculously high
I think that infinity cache think takes a lot of Resources,Maybe I'm wrong

 

[KainXS]

The 6800XT looks pretty damn good, but the 6900XT . . . . . at least they admitted they used smart access and their new overclocking software on it.(nvidia would not have done that)

The price of the 6800XT does not look that bad to me, AMD should be able to charge just as much as nvidia at this point.(given similar performance) This is why I suspect the 6900XT is cheaper and nothing is wrong with that, they know its not as fast as the 3090 without rage mode and price accordingly. The RX 5700XT drivers were better than the RX 480 and 580 drivers were, its a moot point to say AMD's drivers suck now and I know they're not perfect but they're not as bad as what people say.

Competition is always good for us though, where you at intel.

 

[InVasMani]

AMD wants margin, reason only 6800/6900 will be launched, amd wants to capitalize on the $600 gpus first then 6700 and so on around $400. AMD still have some rx 5700 to be sold at $400 anyway, amd not keen to cannibalize its rx 5700 even though is eol. Aside from this, I want to know more about infinity cache, that has given amd a huge boost to ryzen 5xxx series and now big navi aka 6xxx series.

Yeah I really want to see a Ryzen 5600X with one of these RNDA2 GPU's tested with GPU RAM Drive it seems like in theory it'll be quite a bit quicker in certain scenario's than it would with previous GPU's that lacked the infinity cache because it's a direct connection to the CPU from the GPU over the infinity fabric and cache accelerated on each end. I suspect anything that fits within a certain cache file transfer size will be blazing fast and make even NVME look slow if it works how I think it how it sounds at least.

 

[docnorth]

3090 performance for 999$ is awesome

"up to 2X higher performance in select titles with the AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT graphics card compared to the AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT". Well 3080 FE actually IS 2x faster in 4k compared to RX 5700 XT according to TPUs performance summary. Of course AMD may include 1440 analysis in this comparison, so 6900 XT could indeed be on par or more powerful than RTX 3080. But right now it is only speculation, we just don't know exactly what we are comparing.

 

[ZoneDymo]

Seems to me that this is the same as 2070 super vs 5700xt with roles reversed, did you consider that bad pricing too? Am I the only one thinking price complaints are ridiculous? 6800xt matches the 3080 and is cheaper, what's the problem?

yeah the 6800xt seems to trade blows and is 50 bucks cheaper, which is nice, but like I said originally, its a bit more performance for a bit higher price, so its not better really.
If it was better performance for the same price, then you would have a winner and that is usually the case with AMD

 

[Searing]

"up to 2X higher performance in select titles with the AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT graphics card compared to the AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT". Well 3080 FE actually IS 2x faster in 4k compared to RX 5700 XT according to TPUs performance summary. Of course AMD may include 1440 analysis in this comparison, so 6900 XT could indeed be on par or more powerful than RTX 3080. But right now it is only speculation, we just don't know exactly what we are comparing.

People uncritically accept nvidia's claims so much they don't even remember the results after reviews are published. How much faster is the 3080? 19.2 percent. The 3080 is 19.2 percent faster on average vs the 2080 ti at 1440p. The 2080 Ti was bad, it was only 14 percent faster than the 2080 Super. Here is the proof (Ryzen 3950XT results):

1440p comparison - Google Drive

docs.google.com

I don't care about 4k or all the other ways in which nVidia misleads people, I want actual in game fps to increase at 1440p. If that is what AMD delivers (and it looks like their 1440p numbers are incredible) it is a slam dunk. Even the base 6800 might be VERY close to the 3080, yet $120 cheaper (actually $220 cheaper since the FE was never for sale), and with 6GB more VRAM. At 1440p there might only be a 5 percent difference. We'll see.

 

[Cheeseball]

I wonder if the undervolting days will be gone with big navi? With the Vega 64 it's the only way to really overclock, and wow does it overclock!

It's still the same with the RX 5700 XT, and I had the reference blower too. Capping it to 1151mV (which is what the Adrenalin software defaults to if I hit the automatic undervolt option) kept it below 80 C with the same boost clock. Stock performance at lower power usage.

I'm doing the same with this RTX 3080. At only 887 mV it keeps the TBP (according to GPU-Z) at 270W but it still boosts to 1950 MHz which is more than enough for 3440x1440 at 144 Hz. Not to mention staying cool on load at 65C.

 

[jesdals]

I do like the specs of that 6900xt

https://www.amd.com/en/products/specifications/compare/graphics/10516%2C10521%2C10526

 

[RedelZaVedno]

I used to always buy best value xx70 class GPUs, but Ampere/RDNA2 pricing has finally pushed me out of the market. First mining craze, then Turing and now 5800... I don't wanna support greed anymore. I'm gonna stick with 1080TI and buy something for 300-400 bucks on 2nd hand market when RDNA3/Nvidia whatever get released. Pricing has become ridiculous.

Just look at the last decade: $349 GTX 570 vs $369 HD 6970, R9 280X $299 GPU competing with $399 USD GTX 770, GTX 970 was $329, Vega 56 $399 beating great 1070 $379 AND then came infamous Turing RTX 2070 first $499 GPU. AMD fought against price hike with $349 RX 5700 but already tried to squeeze 399 out of it on release conference. Fast forward to today and people are praising Nvidia for not price hiking xx70 class GPU again while we get price hike to $579 from AMD and ppl praise it as a good deal because it offer 8 gigs more vram (costing amd additional 50 bucks in worse case scenario). Where's the value in that? Such price hikes would get obliterated by tech media just 7 years ago and now it's OK? I mean, what's wrong with us?

 

[Anymal]

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[R-T-B]

It calls reality, lots of people paid thousands of dollars for the rtx 3080 and 3090 on ebay, there will always be people with more money than sense, those people buy bottles of wines for thousands of dollars, pay 5k for a 100 dollar ticket for the privilege to stay in the first row of an event, need to accept it and move on ehhe

You are right about that, but I think his point was on average "people have more money" is outright wrong.

 

[Casecutter]

So far I like what I'm seeing, but I'll wait for the reviews.
On price, I'd like the RX 6800 to be less (sure), but for like $40 they're doubling the memory, so that's good. While the RX 6800 XT provides that additional 6b, the RTX3080 is the GDDR6X on 320-Bus offering like 50% bandwidth. The RX 6800 XT might about right or slightly high depending on reviews, although besting the RTX 2080 Ti for 32% less and sure 2 years later. I'm good with it. Finally, near RTX 3090 performance for 50% less cost, no one should be crying... you should expect a bloody nose if you want to play in that neighborhood.

 

[Chrispy_]

And your graph is wrong, the 6800 looks to be at least 18 percent faster on average at 1440p vs the 2080 ti... that would make it an improvement.

118/75 is 57 percent faster for less than 57 percent more money. So you're just wrong, sorry.

Uh, WTF?
My graph? Uh... No. I didn't make that graph.
You do know where that graph's from, right?

Ah wait, I think I know what you're saying.
That graph they posted with SAM. Yeah, we don't have Zen3 CPUs to compare to yet. Unlike the 6800XT which was an apples-to-apples comparison, the 6800 graph isn't a fair comparison and is using the Zen3 + Infinity Cache + SAM amalgamated results to make it look better. Some of those results are pretty impressive but they're deliberately unfair to promote the whole 3-part solution of Ryzen5000+X570+RX6800. We won't know until November what the actual GPU-only results are, and I was just going off Lisa Su's actual words when she said "matches a 2080Ti at just $579"