• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

Wafer Prices Rising by Up to 40% in 2021: Report

btarunr

Editor & Senior Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Oct 9, 2007
Messages
47,308 (7.52/day)
Location
Hyderabad, India
System Name RBMK-1000
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5700G
Motherboard ASUS ROG Strix B450-E Gaming
Cooling DeepCool Gammax L240 V2
Memory 2x 8GB G.Skill Sniper X
Video Card(s) Palit GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER GameRock
Storage Western Digital Black NVMe 512GB
Display(s) BenQ 1440p 60 Hz 27-inch
Case Corsair Carbide 100R
Audio Device(s) ASUS SupremeFX S1220A
Power Supply Cooler Master MWE Gold 650W
Mouse ASUS ROG Strix Impact
Keyboard Gamdias Hermes E2
Software Windows 11 Pro
Semiconductor foundries across the board are preparing to raise price quotes of their 8-inch wafers from 2021. A DigiTimes report sheds light on various foundry companies, including UMC (United Microelectronics), Global Foundries, and Vanguard International Semiconductor (VIS) have raised their 8-inch foundry quotes by 10-15% in Q4-2020, with the quotes set to rise by another 20-40% in 2021. Foundries don't tend to use flat pricing, and instead rely on quotes specific to the size and design requirements of an order (by a fabless chip designer).

The foundry industry operates broadly on silicon fabrication nodes and wafer sizes. This article by Telescope Magazine provides insights into the typical use-cases for each wafer size. Although pertaining strictly to pricing of 8-inch (200 mm) wafers, an impending price-rise across the semiconductor industry can be extrapolated on the basis on significant labor cost increases. TSMC is planning to implement a 20% pay hike for its personnel in 2021.



View at TechPowerUp Main Site
 
Joined
Dec 10, 2014
Messages
1,335 (0.36/day)
Location
Nowy Warsaw
System Name SYBARIS
Processor AMD Ryzen 5 3600
Motherboard MSI Arsenal Gaming B450 Tomahawk
Cooling Cryorig H7 Quad Lumi
Memory Team T-Force Delta RGB 2x8GB 3200CL16
Video Card(s) Colorful GeForce RTX 2060 6GV2
Storage Crucial MX500 500GB | WD Black WD1003FZEX 1TB | Seagate ST1000LM024 1TB | WD My Passport Slim 1TB
Display(s) AOC 24G2 24" 144hz IPS
Case Montech Air ARGB
Audio Device(s) Massdrop + Sennheiser PC37X | Koss KSC75
Power Supply Corsair CX650-F
Mouse Razer Viper Mini | Cooler Master MM711 | Logitech G102 | Logitech G402
Keyboard Drop + The Lord of the Rings Dwarvish
Software Tiny11 Windows 11 Education 24H2 x64
If you thought 2020 was expensive wait till 2021 happens lol.
 
Joined
Apr 29, 2011
Messages
135 (0.03/day)
Just pray that your old hardware keeps working, at least that's what I am doing lol.
 
Joined
Sep 1, 2020
Messages
2,408 (1.53/day)
Location
Bulgaria
Cartel agreement? Where is free market competition? Why capitalism didn't work?
 
Joined
Feb 3, 2017
Messages
3,830 (1.33/day)
Processor Ryzen 7800X3D
Motherboard ROG STRIX B650E-F GAMING WIFI
Memory 2x16GB G.Skill Flare X5 DDR5-6000 CL36 (F5-6000J3636F16GX2-FX5)
Video Card(s) INNO3D GeForce RTX™ 4070 Ti SUPER TWIN X2
Storage 2TB Samsung 980 PRO, 4TB WD Black SN850X
Display(s) 42" LG C2 OLED, 27" ASUS PG279Q
Case Thermaltake Core P5
Power Supply Fractal Design Ion+ Platinum 760W
Mouse Corsair Dark Core RGB Pro SE
Keyboard Corsair K100 RGB
VR HMD HTC Vive Cosmos
Aren't most of cutting edge processes using 300mm wafers?
450mm wafers are being planned or ramped up. This might play a part in prices of smaller wafers.
 
Joined
Sep 1, 2020
Messages
2,408 (1.53/day)
Location
Bulgaria
450mm wafers plans have long history around 15-16 years before from today. But where is it?
 

Fourstaff

Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Nov 29, 2009
Messages
10,079 (1.83/day)
Location
Home
System Name Orange! // ItchyHands
Processor 3570K // 10400F
Motherboard ASRock z77 Extreme4 // TUF Gaming B460M-Plus
Cooling Stock // Stock
Memory 2x4Gb 1600Mhz CL9 Corsair XMS3 // 2x8Gb 3200 Mhz XPG D41
Video Card(s) Sapphire Nitro+ RX 570 // Asus TUF RTX 2070
Storage Samsung 840 250Gb // SX8200 480GB
Display(s) LG 22EA53VQ // Philips 275M QHD
Case NZXT Phantom 410 Black/Orange // Tecware Forge M
Power Supply Corsair CXM500w // CM MWE 600w
Cartel agreement? Where is free market competition? Why capitalism didn't work?

What you are seeing now is capitalism at work. Its up the regulators to break if there is a cartel arrangement.
 
Joined
Aug 12, 2020
Messages
1,207 (0.76/day)
Cartel agreement? Where is free market competition? Why capitalism didn't work?

Wdym didn't work?

Companies don't exist to please you or me with cheaper and better products. They exist to make money and surely seems like they do, and "better and cheaper products" part is coincidental to it. If people give it to them even without it being the case...
 
Joined
May 18, 2009
Messages
2,986 (0.52/day)
Location
MN
System Name Personal / HTPC
Processor Ryzen 5900x / Ryzen 5600X3D
Motherboard Asrock x570 Phantom Gaming 4 /ASRock B550 Phantom Gaming
Cooling Corsair H100i / bequiet! Pure Rock Slim 2
Memory 32GB DDR4 3200 / 16GB DDR4 3200
Video Card(s) EVGA XC3 Ultra RTX 3080Ti / EVGA RTX 3060 XC
Storage 500GB Pro 970, 250 GB SSD, 1TB & 500GB Western Digital / lots
Display(s) Dell - S3220DGF & S3222DGM 32"
Case CoolerMaster HAF XB Evo / CM HAF XB Evo
Audio Device(s) Logitech G35 headset
Power Supply 850W SeaSonic X Series / 750W SeaSonic X Series
Mouse Logitech G502
Keyboard Black Microsoft Natural Elite Keyboard
Software Windows 10 Pro 64 / Windows 10 Pro 64
Consumers: Look at all this great hardware coming out! They can't keep up with rapid demands though....so many haven't got their CPU or GPU :-(

 
Joined
Jan 8, 2017
Messages
9,520 (3.27/day)
System Name Good enough
Processor AMD Ryzen R9 7900 - Alphacool Eisblock XPX Aurora Edge
Motherboard ASRock B650 Pro RS
Cooling 2x 360mm NexXxoS ST30 X-Flow, 1x 360mm NexXxoS ST30, 1x 240mm NexXxoS ST30
Memory 32GB - FURY Beast RGB 5600 Mhz
Video Card(s) Sapphire RX 7900 XT - Alphacool Eisblock Aurora
Storage 1x Kingston KC3000 1TB 1x Kingston A2000 1TB, 1x Samsung 850 EVO 250GB , 1x Samsung 860 EVO 500GB
Display(s) LG UltraGear 32GN650-B + 4K Samsung TV
Case Phanteks NV7
Power Supply GPS-750C
People still don't want to accept that prices are actually set by volume not "competition". The more volume you ship the more headroom exists to increase prices, all of this work and stay home business had created a nice environment for more products to be sold hence the price hikes.

Cartel agreement? Where is free market competition?

Depends, price fixing isn't always beneficial to all parties involved. If I sell 100 000 wafers but then someone else sells 1 million I may not be that happy to rise the prices because that may cause my customers to switch to the other supplier which even though has the same prices generates more volume and is therefore considered more reliable.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Dec 10, 2015
Messages
545 (0.16/day)
Location
Here
System Name Skypas
Processor Intel Core i7-6700
Motherboard Asus H170 Pro Gaming
Cooling Cooler Master Hyper 212X Turbo
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB
Video Card(s) MSI GTX 1060 Gaming X 6GB
Storage Corsair Neutron GTX 120GB + WD Blue 1TB
Display(s) LG 22EA63V
Case Corsair Carbide 400Q
Power Supply Seasonic SS-460FL2 w/ Deepcool XFan 120
Mouse Logitech B100
Keyboard Corsair Vengeance K70
Software Windows 10 Pro (to be replaced by 2025)
Joined
Dec 26, 2006
Messages
3,865 (0.59/day)
Location
Northern Ontario Canada
Processor Ryzen 5700x
Motherboard Gigabyte X570S Aero G R1.1 BiosF5g
Cooling Noctua NH-C12P SE14 w/ NF-A15 HS-PWM Fan 1500rpm
Memory Micron DDR4-3200 2x32GB D.S. D.R. (CT2K32G4DFD832A)
Video Card(s) AMD RX 6800 - Asus Tuf
Storage Kingston KC3000 1TB & 2TB & 4TB Corsair MP600 Pro LPX
Display(s) LG 27UL550-W (27" 4k)
Case Be Quiet Pure Base 600 (no window)
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC1220-VB
Power Supply SuperFlower Leadex V Gold Pro 850W ATX Ver2.52
Mouse Mionix Naos Pro
Keyboard Corsair Strafe with browns
Software W10 22H2 Pro x64
Said it before and I’ll say it again

Toss a coin to your foundry..........
 
Joined
Sep 1, 2020
Messages
2,408 (1.53/day)
Location
Bulgaria
DMS to wafer manufacturers? Yes they exist to make money but not with breaking ruls...But if the regulators corupt? When money are too much part of them maybe found way to right pockets?
 
Joined
Jun 2, 2017
Messages
9,395 (3.40/day)
System Name Best AMD Computer
Processor AMD 7900X3D
Motherboard Asus X670E E Strix
Cooling In Win SR36
Memory GSKILL DDR5 32GB 5200 30
Video Card(s) Sapphire Pulse 7900XT (Watercooled)
Storage Corsair MP 700, Seagate 530 2Tb, Adata SX8200 2TBx2, Kingston 2 TBx2, Micron 8 TB, WD AN 1500
Display(s) GIGABYTE FV43U
Case Corsair 7000D Airflow
Audio Device(s) Corsair Void Pro, Logitch Z523 5.1
Power Supply Deepcool 1000M
Mouse Logitech g7 gaming mouse
Keyboard Logitech G510
Software Windows 11 Pro 64 Steam. GOG, Uplay, Origin
Benchmark Scores Firestrike: 46183 Time Spy: 25121
To be as objective as possible. Since 2000 we have been marching down the road of tech (in everything). Covid has had a tremendous impact and one of those is that the PC market has gone Nuclear. I like that TSMC is giving back to it's employee's though.
 
Joined
Sep 1, 2020
Messages
2,408 (1.53/day)
Location
Bulgaria
To be as objective as possible. Since 2000 we have been marching down the road of tech (in everything). Covid has had a tremendous impact and one of those is that the PC market has gone Nuclear. I like that TSMC is giving back to it's employee's though.
Covid has impact not only to PC market but on all business which works is not possible from home office. Governments paying part of costs and losses include percent of salaries. But not all countries give away free money to everyone (or mostly) of it's citizens like USA. This is socialism. :D
 
Joined
Jan 25, 2011
Messages
531 (0.10/day)
Location
Inside a mini ITX
System Name ITX Desktop
Processor Core i7 9700K
Motherboard Gigabyte Aorus Pro WiFi Z390
Cooling Arctic esports 34 duo.
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB 3000MHz
Video Card(s) Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 Gaming OC White PRO
Storage Samsung 970 EVO Plus | Intel SSD 660p
Case NZXT H200
Power Supply Corsair CX Series 750 Watt
Joined
Aug 14, 2013
Messages
2,373 (0.57/day)
System Name boomer--->zoomer not your typical millenial build
Processor i5-760 @ 3.8ghz + turbo ~goes wayyyyyyyyy fast cuz turboooooz~
Motherboard P55-GD80 ~best motherboard ever designed~
Cooling NH-D15 ~double stack thot twerk all day~
Memory 16GB Crucial Ballistix LP ~memory gone AWOL~
Video Card(s) MSI GTX 970 ~*~GOLDEN EDITION~*~ RAWRRRRRR
Storage 500GB Samsung 850 Evo (OS X, *nix), 128GB Samsung 840 Pro (W10 Pro), 1TB SpinPoint F3 ~best in class
Display(s) ASUS VW246H ~best 24" you've seen *FULL HD* *1O80PP* *SLAPS*~
Case FT02-W ~the W stands for white but it's brushed aluminum except for the disgusting ODD bays; *cries*
Audio Device(s) A LOT
Power Supply 850W EVGA SuperNova G2 ~hot fire like champagne~
Mouse CM Spawn ~cmcz R c00l seth mcfarlane darawss~
Keyboard CM QF Rapid - Browns ~fastrrr kees for fstr teens~
Software integrated into the chassis
Benchmark Scores 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
Joined
Jan 25, 2011
Messages
531 (0.10/day)
Location
Inside a mini ITX
System Name ITX Desktop
Processor Core i7 9700K
Motherboard Gigabyte Aorus Pro WiFi Z390
Cooling Arctic esports 34 duo.
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB 3000MHz
Video Card(s) Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 Gaming OC White PRO
Storage Samsung 970 EVO Plus | Intel SSD 660p
Case NZXT H200
Power Supply Corsair CX Series 750 Watt
Keyword here is past-tense

True. Most of the state of the art tech stuff is designed by socialist states these days. /s
 
D

Deleted member 24505

Guest
So benefits for fab owners, not so much for those paying to get their chips made. Incidentally do Intel own their own?
 
Joined
Aug 14, 2013
Messages
2,373 (0.57/day)
System Name boomer--->zoomer not your typical millenial build
Processor i5-760 @ 3.8ghz + turbo ~goes wayyyyyyyyy fast cuz turboooooz~
Motherboard P55-GD80 ~best motherboard ever designed~
Cooling NH-D15 ~double stack thot twerk all day~
Memory 16GB Crucial Ballistix LP ~memory gone AWOL~
Video Card(s) MSI GTX 970 ~*~GOLDEN EDITION~*~ RAWRRRRRR
Storage 500GB Samsung 850 Evo (OS X, *nix), 128GB Samsung 840 Pro (W10 Pro), 1TB SpinPoint F3 ~best in class
Display(s) ASUS VW246H ~best 24" you've seen *FULL HD* *1O80PP* *SLAPS*~
Case FT02-W ~the W stands for white but it's brushed aluminum except for the disgusting ODD bays; *cries*
Audio Device(s) A LOT
Power Supply 850W EVGA SuperNova G2 ~hot fire like champagne~
Mouse CM Spawn ~cmcz R c00l seth mcfarlane darawss~
Keyboard CM QF Rapid - Browns ~fastrrr kees for fstr teens~
Software integrated into the chassis
Benchmark Scores 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
True. Most of the state of the art tech stuff is designed by socialist states these days. /s
To even suggest that it is possible for socialist states to actually exist demonstrates a misunderstanding of value and production in modern economic theory, and how that relates to theories of the state, and bears no relevance to cost increases and the questions of demand raised in this thread, or by the nature of production costs going up in this particular industry, but nice pwn n00b /s
 
Joined
Jan 27, 2015
Messages
1,747 (0.48/day)
System Name Legion
Processor i7-12700KF
Motherboard Asus Z690-Plus TUF Gaming WiFi D5
Cooling Arctic Liquid Freezer 2 240mm AIO
Memory PNY MAKO DDR5-6000 C36-36-36-76
Video Card(s) PowerColor Hellhound 6700 XT 12GB
Storage WD SN770 512GB m.2, Samsung 980 Pro m.2 2TB
Display(s) Acer K272HUL 1440p / 34" MSI MAG341CQ 3440x1440
Case Montech Air X
Power Supply Corsair CX750M
Mouse Logitech MX Anywhere 25
Keyboard Logitech MX Keys
Software Lots
So benefits for fab owners, not so much for those paying to get their chips made. Incidentally do Intel own their own?

That's what I'm sitting here thinking. Price hikes from the foundries will pass right through the design houses like Nvidia, AMD, and Apple to the consumer. This is basically TSMC/GloFlo/Samsung etc using the high demand for their foundries to make more money. There's no reason not to, choices really only exist on the bigger 65nm+ nodes where there are a lot of foundries, but they are not competitive in the SoC / GPU / APU / CPU space. This is happening even with demand from many Chinese design houses evaporating due to restrictions, so demand for the top foundries must be enormous.

This could be the once predicted inflection point where the smaller nodes become unviable economically. Prices will go up until demand drops.

14nm forever baby!
 
Joined
Sep 1, 2020
Messages
2,408 (1.53/day)
Location
Bulgaria
Before chips and integrated circuits also exist electrical computers but not before John Vincent Atanasoff. He was a half Bulgarian.
 
Joined
Jul 13, 2016
Messages
3,352 (1.09/day)
Processor Ryzen 7800X3D
Motherboard ASRock X670E Taichi
Cooling Noctua NH-D15 Chromax
Memory 32GB DDR5 6000 CL30
Video Card(s) MSI RTX 4090 Trio
Storage P5800X 1.6TB 4x 15.36TB Micron 9300 Pro 4x WD Black 8TB M.2
Display(s) Acer Predator XB3 27" 240 Hz
Case Thermaltake Core X9
Audio Device(s) JDS Element IV, DCA Aeon II
Power Supply Seasonic Prime Titanium 850w
Mouse PMM P-305
Keyboard Wooting HE60
VR HMD Valve Index
Software Win 10
It worked. That's why you have computers.

The US Army financed the first computer (ENIAC) and many other projects by other parts of the government (ARAPNET, the forerunner of the internet).

So no, it's not capitalism you thank, it's democratic socialism. If it weren't for regulatory bodies stepping in on multiple occasions you would still would be running dial up over your bell monopoly phone line and Intel, monitor manufacturers, and RAM manufacturers would either still be maintaining a monopoly or fixing prices.

If there's one thing I thank, it's that no 1st world country is dumb enough to implement capitalism without a significant mix of other types of government and economic systems to cover it's glaring flaws.
 
Joined
Aug 20, 2007
Messages
21,560 (3.40/day)
System Name Pioneer
Processor Ryzen R9 9950X
Motherboard GIGABYTE Aorus Elite X670 AX
Cooling Noctua NH-D15 + A whole lotta Sunon and Corsair Maglev blower fans...
Memory 64GB (4x 16GB) G.Skill Flare X5 @ DDR5-6000 CL30
Video Card(s) XFX RX 7900 XTX Speedster Merc 310
Storage Intel 5800X Optane 800GB boot, +2x Crucial P5 Plus 2TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSDs
Display(s) 55" LG 55" B9 OLED 4K Display
Case Thermaltake Core X31
Audio Device(s) TOSLINK->Schiit Modi MB->Asgard 2 DAC Amp->AKG Pro K712 Headphones or HDMI->B9 OLED
Power Supply FSP Hydro Ti Pro 850W
Mouse Logitech G305 Lightspeed Wireless
Keyboard WASD Code v3 with Cherry Green keyswitches + PBT DS keycaps
Software Gentoo Linux x64 / Windows 11 Enterprise IoT 2024
Joined
Jan 27, 2015
Messages
1,747 (0.48/day)
System Name Legion
Processor i7-12700KF
Motherboard Asus Z690-Plus TUF Gaming WiFi D5
Cooling Arctic Liquid Freezer 2 240mm AIO
Memory PNY MAKO DDR5-6000 C36-36-36-76
Video Card(s) PowerColor Hellhound 6700 XT 12GB
Storage WD SN770 512GB m.2, Samsung 980 Pro m.2 2TB
Display(s) Acer K272HUL 1440p / 34" MSI MAG341CQ 3440x1440
Case Montech Air X
Power Supply Corsair CX750M
Mouse Logitech MX Anywhere 25
Keyboard Logitech MX Keys
Software Lots
The US Army financed the first computer (ENIAC) and many other projects by other parts of the government (ARAPNET, the forerunner of the internet).

So no, it's not capitalism you thank, it's democratic socialism. If it weren't for regulatory bodies stepping in on multiple occasions you would still would be running dial up over your bell monopoly phone line and Intel, monitor manufacturers, and RAM manufacturers would either still be maintaining a monopoly or fixing prices.

If there's one thing I thank, it's that no 1st world country is dumb enough to implement capitalism without a significant mix of other types of government and economic systems to cover it's glaring flaws.

Two guys in a garage made Apple.

A Chemist and a Physicist founded Intel.

AMD was founded by some pissed off Fairchild Semi employees.

Amazon was some software engineers working out of a dingy office in a red light district. They were afraid Sears was going to crush them in courts. Might want to watch this video from 1999 for perspective.

From the video, Bezos in his office in 1999:

Capture.JPG
 
Top