AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT BIOS Analysis Reveals Extreme GPU Clock Limits

[btarunr]

AMD is expected to debut its Radeon RX 6700 series based on the "Navi 22" silicon following its RX 6900 XT launch, to compete with NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 3060/Ti. Several rumored specifications of the RX 6700 series surfaced in an older report from last week, which referenced a similar compute unit count to the previous-generation RX 5700 series, but with a 25% narrower memory bus, at 192-bit. The memory amount itself has been increased by 50% to 12 GB, using higher memory density per memory channel. In that report we wondered how AMD could overcome the deficit of lower memory bandwidth, and whether an Infinite Cache solution is being used. Turns out, that the RX 6700 series should end up faster than the RX 5700 series on virtue of an enormous GPU clock (engine clock) increase, according to an Igor's Lab report.

Igor Wallossek analyzed two video BIOS images of Radeon RX 6700 series graphics cards, using MorePowerTool, and uncovered engine clock limits as high as 2854 MHz with 2950 MHz overdrive limits. Just to be clear, these are limits, and not manufacturer-set boost clocks. For example, the RX 6800 XT has a reference max boost frequency of 2250 MHz, whereas its clock limit set in the BIOS is 2800 MHz. One of the BIOS analyzed by Wallossek has a power limit of 220 W, and the other 186 W. Interestingly, the cards have the same 1075 MHz memory clock limit seen on the RX 6800 XT, which confirms that AMD is using 16 Gbps-rated GDDR6 memory, and that over a 192-bit wide memory bus, this would yield 384 GB/s of memory bandwidth. Find more technical commentary by Igor's Lab in the source link below.



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[dj-electric]

With "so much clock" to go around, only seem natural for AMD to limit that stuff for segmentation.

Its a bit of a shame, since while within their SKU hirarchy cannibalization might be bad, every advantage they can get against competing NVIDIA products can serve their sales.
It only makes sense that AMD could give us an official voltage warning before letting us take RDNA2 to where it really can, close to 3GHz using air cool and water cool solutions. Sure, even if it means going well over spec for power delivery. This is why we can have over-engineered PCBs.

Overclocking RX 6800 and RX 6800 XT really makes you feel like power limitations hamstring its abilities to push much further.

 

[ador250]

6700XT will hit 2080Ti performance, calling it now. RX 6800 is 3070Ti competitor not 3070, so we r expecting a proper 3070 competitor from AMD.

 

[MrGRiMv25]

It's weird they limited it to 2800Mhz when I've seen a few cards on Youtube from the likes of Derbauer and J2C hitting 2700Mhz on stock cooling. If that limit was removed then 3Ghz might be possible with LN2, that would be proper insane.

 

[Sovsefanden]

6700XT will hit 2080Ti performance, calling it now. RX 6800 is 3070Ti competitor not 3070, so we r expecting a proper 3070 competitor from AMD.

What are you talking about lol.

3070 is like 5% slower than 6800 non-XT at 1440p, yet priced 80 dollars less, meaning 3070 is better performance per dollar + it has superior ray tracing + it has dlss which can improve fps by up to 100% in supported games, like Cyberpunk 2077 to name one. 3070 can and will easily run this game maxed out at 1440p with ray tracing (official requirement from cd project red). AMD users are not going to see ray tracing anytime soon in this game, and without a feature like dlss, it will be useless anyway, because fps hit will be huge and not worth it.

6700XT is going to have 2560 cores, FAR LESS than the 3840 on 6800, it's not going to reach 2080 Ti levels as 6800 is only ~5% faster than 2080 Ti.

3070 is awesome for ITX builds because of the size you CAN get these in. 6800 are all huge cards like 6800XT, 3080 and 3090 + 6900XT.

6700 XT is more like a RTX 3060 competitor. 3060 Ti at best, meaning still 12-15% slower than 3070 / 2080 Ti.


Considering AMDs 6800/6900 availablity and prices, AMD is not going to sell much GPU's before deep into 2021 anyway, so who cares

My prediction; GPU availablity won't be normal till 2H 2021 - Ethereum 2.0 means that GPU miners are going to consume most of the cards, they have been gearing up for months, and ETH 2.0 hits soon.

 

[Lionheart]

What are you talking about lol.

3070 is like 5% slower than 6800 non-XT at 1440p, yet priced 80 dollars less, meaning 3070 is better performance per dollar + it has superior ray tracing + it has dlss which can improve fps by up to 100% in supported games, like Cyberpunk 2077 to name one. 3070 can and will easily run this game maxed out at 1440p with ray tracing (official requirement from cd project red). AMD users are not going to see ray tracing anytime soon in this game, and without a feature like dlss, it will be useless anyway, because fps hit will be huge and not worth it.

6700XT is going to have 2560 cores, FAR LESS than the 3840 on 6800, it's not going to reach 2080 Ti levels as 6800 is only ~5% faster than 2080 Ti.

3070 is awesome for ITX builds because of the size you CAN get these in. 6800 are all huge cards like 6800XT, 3080 and 3090 + 6900XT.

6700 XT is more like a RTX 3060 competitor. 3060 Ti at best, meaning still 12-15% slower than 3070 / 2080 Ti.


Considering AMDs 6800/6900 availablity and prices, AMD is not going to sell much GPU's before deep into 2021 anyway, so who cares

My prediction; GPU availablity won't be normal till 2H 2021 - Ethereum 2.0 means that GPU miners are going to consume most of the cards, they have been gearing up for months, and ETH 2.0 hits soon.

What is he talking about? You mean wth are you talking about? You pull those results out of your arse?

 

[AnarchoPrimitiv]

What are you talking about lol.

3070 is like 5% slower than 6800 non-XT at 1440p, yet priced 80 dollars less, meaning 3070 is better performance per dollar + it has superior ray tracing + it has dlss which can improve fps by up to 100% in supported games, like Cyberpunk 2077 to name one. 3070 can and will easily run this game maxed out at 1440p with ray tracing (official requirement from cd project red). AMD users are not going to see ray tracing anytime soon in this game, and without a feature like dlss, it will be useless anyway, because fps hit will be huge and not worth it.

6700XT is going to have 2560 cores, FAR LESS than the 3840 on 6800, it's not going to reach 2080 Ti levels as 6800 is only ~5% faster than 2080 Ti.

3070 is awesome for ITX builds because of the size you CAN get these in. 6800 are all huge cards like 6800XT, 3080 and 3090 + 6900XT.

6700 XT is more like a RTX 3060 competitor. 3060 Ti at best, meaning still 12-15% slower than 3070 / 2080 Ti.


Considering AMDs 6800/6900 availablity and prices, AMD is not going to sell much GPU's before deep into 2021 anyway, so who cares

My prediction; GPU availablity won't be normal till 2H 2021 - Ethereum 2.0 means that GPU miners are going to consume most of the cards, they have been gearing up for months, and ETH 2.0 hits soon.

He did pull those out of nowhere...according to techspot:

At 1080p: "The RX 6800 is 10% faster on average than the RTX 3070 at this resolution, just 4% slower than the 3080, and 9% slower than the 6800 XT. "

At 1440p: "at 1440p the margins start to open up a bit. The RX 6800 was 14% faster than the 3070 on average and just 7% slower than the RTX 3080. It was also 9% slower than the 6800 XT, so in terms of cost per frame the 6800 does very well at 1440p. "

At 4K: "Finally at 4K, the RX 6800 is 15% faster than the RTX 3070 and 10% slower than the 6800 XT. When compared to the RTX 3080 it was also 14% slower, which is good given it costs 17% less. "

AMD Radeon RX 6800 Review

Nvidia stunned us with the RTX 3070 only three weeks ago. Now the Radeon RX 6800 has arrived packing twice as much VRAM and faster overall performance,...

www.techspot.com

So the 6800 is 10%, 14%, and 15% faster than the 3070 at 1080p, 1440p, and 4K respectively...so I'm really curious where you got that "5% figure" from, and the increase from $500 to $580 represents a 16% increase in price...and I'm sure that the performance lead will increase since the 6000 series overclocks much higher than ampere (while using less power), as I've heard from certain fanboys over the years...

 

[Sovsefanden]

He did pull those out of nowhere...according to techspot:

At 1080p: "The RX 6800 is 10% faster on average than the RTX 3070 at this resolution, just 4% slower than the 3080, and 9% slower than the 6800 XT. "

At 1440p: "at 1440p the margins start to open up a bit. The RX 6800 was 14% faster than the 3070 on average and just 7% slower than the RTX 3080. It was also 9% slower than the 6800 XT, so in terms of cost per frame the 6800 does very well at 1440p. "

At 4K: "Finally at 4K, the RX 6800 is 15% faster than the RTX 3070 and 10% slower than the 6800 XT. When compared to the RTX 3080 it was also 14% slower, which is good given it costs 17% less. "

AMD Radeon RX 6800 Review

Nvidia stunned us with the RTX 3070 only three weeks ago. Now the Radeon RX 6800 has arrived packing twice as much VRAM and faster overall performance,...

www.techspot.com

So the 6800 is 10%, 14%, and 15% faster than the 3070 at 1080p, 1440p, and 4K respectively...so I'm really curious where you got that "5% figure" from, and the increase from $500 to $580 represents a 16% increase in price...and I'm sure that the performance lead will increase since the 6000 series overclocks much higher than ampere (while using less power), as I've heard from certain fanboys over the years...

I could not care less about cherrypicked benches, a look at the overall scores looks like this, using newest drivers

6800 beats 3070 by 4% overall. With no DLSS and worse ray tracing + 80 dollars more, oh and with MUCH WORSE availability and jacked up prices too

MSI GeForce RTX 3090 Suprim X Review

The MSI RTX 3090 Suprim X is the company's new flagship card. It is highly overclocked, to 1860 MHz rated boost, and ticks at a power limit of 420 W. In our review, it was the quietest RTX 3090 we've ever tested, quieter than the EVGA FTW3 Ultra, almost whisper-quiet.

www.techpowerup.com

Both Ampere and RNDA2 power usage explodes when overclocked, 2-4% performance increase for +20-25% powerdraw - Yaaaay

3070 easily beats 6800 on performance per dollar

There's no way 6800 price won't be lowered in price when stocks becomes normal, sometime in mid 2021 haha
Or AMD wont sell many of these cards. Most AMD GPU buyers are buying in the sub 200 dollar segment

Take a look at steam hw survey, and you will see what I mean. Only dirt cheap AMD GPUs are listen under popular cards.

3070 will outsell 6800 with ease.

 

[medi01]

Turns out, that the RX 6700 series should end up faster than the RX 5700 series on virtue of an enormous GPU clock

Let's pretend there are no architectural improvements and that 6700 isn't supposed to wield more CUs, shall we....

3070 is like 5% slower than 6800 non-XT at 1440p

I'm sorry to bring these news to you, but thanks to that 16GB VRAM 6800 is quite a capable 4k GPU, oh, that also OCes well:

Grafikkarten-Rangliste 2024: GPUs im Vergleich

Welche Grafikkarte kaufen? Für den November gibt es Empfehlungen mit Nvidia GeForce RTX 4000, AMD Radeon RX 7000 und Intel Arc.

www.computerbase.de

Both Ampere and RNDA2 power usage explodes when overclocked, 2-4% performance increase for +20-25% powerdraw - Yaaaay

FUD 1: "power draw explodes"
FUD 2: "barely faster"

See benches above (tested across the board, not just single game), major uplift in perf.

Take a look at steam hw survey, and you will see

That AMD hasn't been present in high end part of the market for a while.
Ampere might still outsell RDNA2, as there are enough green fanboi to milk, but so did Fermi.

Meanwhile:
https://www.reddit.com/r/realAMD/comments/k2v10x
For comparison:
https://www.reddit.com/r/realAMD/comments/jyh3t4

 

[Sovsefanden]

Let's pretend there are no architectural improvements and that 6700 isn't supposed to wield more CUs, shall we....



I'm sorry to bring these news to you, but thanks to that 16GB VRAM 6800 is quite a capable 4k GPU, oh, that also OCes well:

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Grafikkarten-Rangliste 2024: GPUs im Vergleich

Welche Grafikkarte kaufen? Für den November gibt es Empfehlungen mit Nvidia GeForce RTX 4000, AMD Radeon RX 7000 und Intel Arc.

www.computerbase.de

FUD 1: "power draw explodes"
FUD 2: "barely faster"

See benches above (tested across the board, not just single game), major uplift in perf.



That AMD hasn't been present in high end part of the market for a while.
Ampere might still outsell RDNA2, as there are enough green fanboi to milk, but so did Fermi.

Meanwhile:
https://www.reddit.com/r/realAMD/comments/k2v10x
For comparison:
https://www.reddit.com/r/realAMD/comments/jyh3t4

Why are you looking at 4K performance? I'd never buy 3070 or 6800 for 4K, it's 1440p cards, they manage 4K if you have low fps goals tho, wont last long unless you compromize on image quality

Major uplift in perf? 3080 wins at stock, wins max oc too, so who cares

And yes, powerdraw explodes when 3080 and 6800XT is overclocked, nothing new here, go take a look at TPU reviews

 

[medi01]

Major uplift in perf? 3080 wins at stock, wins max oc too

It is called "trades blows" it loses in some games, wins in others.

If you stick only to newer games, though, ouch:

AMD Radeon RX 6800 und RX 6800 XT im Test: Die Taktraten, Benchmarks in Full HD, WQHD sowie Ultra HD und Raytracing

AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT im Test: Die Taktraten, Benchmarks in Full HD, WQHD sowie Ultra HD und Raytracing / Testsystem und Testmethodik

www.computerbase.de

Current gen consoles are quite weaker than 6080, and will aim at 4k, so even 6070 will do pretty well in it.

 

[Sovsefanden]

It is called "trades blows" it loses in some games, wins in others.

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If you stick only to newer games, though, ouch:

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AMD Radeon RX 6800 und RX 6800 XT im Test: Die Taktraten, Benchmarks in Full HD, WQHD sowie Ultra HD und Raytracing

AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT im Test: Die Taktraten, Benchmarks in Full HD, WQHD sowie Ultra HD und Raytracing / Testsystem und Testmethodik

www.computerbase.de

Current gen consoles are quite weaker than 6080, and will aim at 4k, so even 6070 will do pretty well in it.

Again, why are you cherrypicking games? You can easily see that 3080 is faster than 6800XT in the comparison, at 4K. This is also what TECHPOWERUP says in the latest GPU review, 3080 wins overall

3070 never was aimed for 4K so numbers are not relevant, neither is 6800 non-XT if you ask me, it's 1440p cards, however I would pick the 6800 for entry level 4K gaming, for people that can accept dips below 50 fps on decent IQ settings

XSX and PS5 targets "4K", but uses dynamic resolution, this is a fact. Confirmed by several dev's.

AC Valhalla goes to almost 1080p resolution on XSX for example. Google it. It has been tested.

You are using TECHPOWERUP Forums, but you don't trust their reviews or? My link confirms EXACTLY what I say, 3070 is 4% behind 6800 NON-XT at 1440p OVERALL, which is the only thing that matters. We can all cherrypick games, and 3070 beats 6800 in several games too. Thats why they are pretty even overall. Logic.

3070 is 80 dollars cheaper tho (MSRP vs MSRP, but 6800 is like 200-300 dollars above MSRP as we speak, 3070 _can_ be found for MSRP or close)
- Has superior ray tracing
- Has DLSS 2.0
- Better availablity, like, ALOT better - Most 6800 buyers will be waiting deep into 2021 to get their cards
- 3070 can be bought with way smaller footprint, for smaller builds, some cards are as short as 22 cm, most/all 6800's are way longer and thicker and won't fit in many ITX cases

 

[Oberon]

Again, why are you cherrypicking games? You can easily see that 3080 is faster than 6800XT in the comparison, at 4K. This is also what TECHPOWERUP says in the latest GPU review, 3080 wins overall

I don't think you know the definition of the term "cherry picked."

 

[Vayra86]

Again, why are you cherrypicking games? You can easily see that 3080 is faster than 6800XT in the comparison, at 4K. This is also what TECHPOWERUP says in the latest GPU review, 3080 wins overall

3070 never was aimed for 4K so numbers are not relevant, neither is 6800 non-XT if you ask me, it's 1440p cards, however I would pick the 6800 for entry level 4K gaming, for people that can accept dips below 50 fps on decent IQ settings

XSX and PS5 targets "4K", but uses dynamic resolution, this is a fact. Confirmed by several dev's.

AC Valhalla goes to almost 1080p resolution on XSX for example. Google it. It has been tested.

You are using TECHPOWERUP Forums, but you don't trust their reviews or? My link confirms EXACTLY what I say, 3070 is 4% behind 6800 NON-XT at 1440p OVERALL, which is the only thing that matters. We can all cherrypick games, and 3070 beats 6800 in several games too. Thats why they are pretty even overall. Logic.

3070 is 80 dollars cheaper tho (MSRP vs MSRP, but 6800 is like 200-300 dollars above MSRP as we speak, 3070 _can_ be found for MSRP or close)
- Has superior ray tracing
- Has DLSS 2.0
- Better availablity, like, ALOT better - Most 6800 buyers will be waiting deep into 2021 to get their cards
- 3070 can be bought with way smaller footprint, for smaller builds, some cards are as short as 22 cm, most/all 6800's are way longer and thicker and won't fit in many ITX cases

Nvidia does have a better proposition right now, I think 6800 will need to move on price a bit (down) and possibly the 6800XT as well.

But technically, AMD has a stronger GPU, that is more efficient and will last longer too.
DLSS and RT are added value... everyone values them differently. Personal preference.

I think the best summary is 'there is something to choose from' this generation. Can't say there's a clear winner tbh

 

[Jism]

It's weird they limited it to 2800Mhz when I've seen a few cards on Youtube from the likes of Derbauer and J2C hitting 2700Mhz on stock cooling. If that limit was removed then 3Ghz might be possible with LN2, that would be proper insane.

Did you ever realise that going even beyond 2.8Ghz pulls so much current it will degrade the GPU?

 

[Oberon]

Did you ever realise that going even beyond 2.8Ghz pulls so much current it will degrade the GPU?

Considering the clock limit on the 6900 XT is 3.0 GHz, I don't think this is the case.

 

[milewski1015]

3070 is 80 dollars cheaper tho (MSRP vs MSRP, but 6800 is like 200-300 dollars above MSRP as we speak, 3070 _can_ be found for MSRP or close)

Pricing and availability (or lack thereof) is very dependent on your region - not really fair to make a blanket statement that X availability is better than Y when overall availability for both is shit. If you're going to try though, at least factor in that the 3070 was available for a little over two weeks before the 6800 (and therefore had more time for MSRP to settle), was much more hyped ("2080Ti perf for $500" while people didn't even expect AMD to be competitive this gen), and Nvidia doesn't have to divide silicon between consoles and GPUs like AMD does.

- Has superior ray tracing

Wow, Nvidia has better raytracing after having over a year headstart to refine the tech while AMD is just now offering it? Who woulda thunk it?

- Has DLSS 2.0

Which is supported only on certain games and is arguably only really utilized when enabling RT which not all people will do.

- Better availablity, like, ALOT better - Most 6800 buyers will be waiting deep into 2021 to get their cards

See response to first bullet, mainly the part about Nvidia not having to divide silicon between consoles and GPUs like AMD does. Not sure how things are in Germany, but for me in the US, if you want a new card, you've gotta either get a bot involved/refresh pages like a mindless drone or buy a prebuilt.

- 3070 can be bought with way smaller footprint, for smaller builds, some cards are as short as 22 cm, most/all 6800's are way longer and thicker and won't fit in many ITX cases

A very niche "feature" if you ask me. Maybe it has something to do with, I don't know, the fact that the PCB is short as hell?

https://tpucdn.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-founders-edition/images/front_small.jpg

https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6800/images/front_small.jpg

Sure, that's great for SFF builders, but I would argue that most people are building in mATX or ATX enclosures that tout sufficient GPU clearance for either camp.

 

[MrGRiMv25]

Did you ever realise that going even beyond 2.8Ghz pulls so much current it will degrade the GPU?

I don't think that's an issue for the LN2 extreme overclockers, if they break a world record with it and it dies a few runs after then they probably don't care.

 

[Nihilus]

I could not care less about cherrypicked benches, a look at the overall scores looks like this, using newest drivers

6800 beats 3070 by 4% overall. With no DLSS and worse ray tracing + 80 dollars more, oh and with MUCH WORSE availability and jacked up prices too

MSI GeForce RTX 3090 Suprim X Review

The MSI RTX 3090 Suprim X is the company's new flagship card. It is highly overclocked, to 1860 MHz rated boost, and ticks at a power limit of 420 W. In our review, it was the quietest RTX 3090 we've ever tested, quieter than the EVGA FTW3 Ultra, almost whisper-quiet.

www.techpowerup.com

Both Ampere and RNDA2 power usage explodes when overclocked, 2-4% performance increase for +20-25% powerdraw - Yaaaay

3070 easily beats 6800 on performance per dollar

There's no way 6800 price won't be lowered in price when stocks becomes normal, sometime in mid 2021 haha
Or AMD wont sell many of these cards. Most AMD GPU buyers are buying in the sub 200 dollar segment

Take a look at steam hw survey, and you will see what I mean. Only dirt cheap AMD GPUs are listen under popular cards.

3070 will outsell 6800 with ease.

Not exactly 4% but pretty close.

Avoid the gamer math if 78%-74%=4%!

 

[B-Real]

What are you talking about lol.

3070 is like 5% slower than 6800 non-XT at 1440p, yet priced 80 dollars less, meaning 3070 is better performance per dollar + it has superior ray tracing + it has dlss which can improve fps by up to 100% in supported games, like Cyberpunk 2077 to name one. 3070 can and will easily run this game maxed out at 1440p with ray tracing (official requirement from cd project red). AMD users are not going to see ray tracing anytime soon in this game, and without a feature like dlss, it will be useless anyway, because fps hit will be huge and not worth it.

6700XT is going to have 2560 cores, FAR LESS than the 3840 on 6800, it's not going to reach 2080 Ti levels as 6800 is only ~5% faster than 2080 Ti.

3070 is awesome for ITX builds because of the size you CAN get these in. 6800 are all huge cards like 6800XT, 3080 and 3090 + 6900XT.

6700 XT is more like a RTX 3060 competitor. 3060 Ti at best, meaning still 12-15% slower than 3070 / 2080 Ti.


Considering AMDs 6800/6900 availablity and prices, AMD is not going to sell much GPU's before deep into 2021 anyway, so who cares

My prediction; GPU availablity won't be normal till 2H 2021 - Ethereum 2.0 means that GPU miners are going to consume most of the cards, they have been gearing up for months, and ETH 2.0 hits soon.

Check those charts again. 5%? More like 10-15%. Plus 6800 has double amount of VRAM, meaning in 4k it will be even faster, and there will be cases when the 3070 just can't run a game maxed out in 4k not because it's not strong enough but because of the few memory.

 

[Steevo]

I could not care less about cherrypicked benches, a look at the overall scores looks like this, using newest drivers

6800 beats 3070 by 4% overall. With no DLSS and worse ray tracing + 80 dollars more, oh and with MUCH WORSE availability and jacked up prices too

MSI GeForce RTX 3090 Suprim X Review

The MSI RTX 3090 Suprim X is the company's new flagship card. It is highly overclocked, to 1860 MHz rated boost, and ticks at a power limit of 420 W. In our review, it was the quietest RTX 3090 we've ever tested, quieter than the EVGA FTW3 Ultra, almost whisper-quiet.

www.techpowerup.com

Both Ampere and RNDA2 power usage explodes when overclocked, 2-4% performance increase for +20-25% powerdraw - Yaaaay

3070 easily beats 6800 on performance per dollar

There's no way 6800 price won't be lowered in price when stocks becomes normal, sometime in mid 2021 haha
Or AMD wont sell many of these cards. Most AMD GPU buyers are buying in the sub 200 dollar segment

Take a look at steam hw survey, and you will see what I mean. Only dirt cheap AMD GPUs are listen under popular cards.

3070 will outsell 6800 with ease.

https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6800/images/relative-performance_2560-1440.png

6%, as your image is from the 3090 review, and the performance isn't relative if you aren't going to compare the relative card.

The 6800 over-clocks with the same power consumption and gains 9.1% more performance.

AMD Radeon RX 6800 Review

The Radeon RX 6800 is the world's most power-efficient graphics card, better than anything NVIDIA Ampere has to offer. The smaller brother to the RX 6800 XT comes with a smaller heatsink, at more affordable pricing, but retains the lavish 16 GB VRAM memory buffer.

www.techpowerup.com

"While there is a voltage adjustment slider in Radeon Settings, it only lets you undervolt the card, which can still be useful. "

Meaning its still 10% more power efficient than the 3070 while being 15% faster with its stock voltage.

https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6800/images/performance-per-watt_2560-1440.png

Performance per dollar, yes, its about 5% too expensive at MSRP compared to the 3070. I will only use MSRP as NEITHER card has any availaibity at MSRP. that I can find. You can whine aobut scalping all you want, but AMD has limited dies and Nvidia doesn't seem to care.

Your complaint about DLSS and how AMD doesn't have it, but them complained about dynamic resolution (same difference really) on the consoles, and AMD has something in the works, and just to point out, DLSS only works with 18 games unless I am reading it wrong.

Also worth noting that only a few games are now using the DLSS 2.0 and enabling it with ray tracing and other effects to clean up the image tanks performance.

Evaluating NVIDIA DLSS 2.0 Quality And Performance In Mech 5 And Control

An intimate view of gameplay, image quality and performance with NVIDIA DLSS 2.0 AI-based anti-aliasing.

hothardware.com

I see no reason DLSS is being sold as for use with tensor cores when Control ( a RTRT and DLSS game) is listed as using shaders for the computational work, much like PhysX was 90% precooked effects and 10% real time, and it is still locked in their black box.

 

[Nihilus]

You know the thread got ugly when people start posting computer base benchmarks.

HUBS graph with 18 games and 1% lows show a solid 15% to the 6800 over the 3070. TPU is a little dx11 happy IMHO.

As for the 6700, I think it will be much closer to the 6800 despite having only 67% of the CUs. Navi seems to like narrow and fast as compared to wide and slow. Just look at how well the PS5 performs against the Series X on 3rd party titles.

If scaling is consistent, the 3060ti should be an additional 15% below the 3070.

Therefore, the 3060ti and 6700xt should be very close. I think AMD will be able to undercut Nvidia on price as they are shaving off memory bus and vram while the 3060ti looks to be getting the same memory system as the 3070.

 

[Sovsefanden]

Yes 3060 Ti will be 12-15% below 3070 for 100 dollars less (3070 is ~20% below 3080 at 1440p, for 200 dollars less - 3080 is more like 25% faster at 4K where bandwidth helps)

I'd not go below 3060 Ti or 6700XT for 1440p/144Hz

I'd not buy 3070 for 4K gaming, it's incredible for 1440p high refresh rate gaming tho

 

[psyclist]

why are folks referencing the 3090 review for a comparison between the 3070 and 6800? These things are all relative so you need to use one or the other not a third card to start your compare from.

From Techpowerup 6800 review:

6800 wins by 4% @1080P
6800 wins by 6% @1440P
6800 wins by 8% @4K

3070 beats in RT and DLSS

AMD will improve RT performance over the next year and have an answer to DLSS.

They are both great cards for 1440p I chose the 6800, because I want the 16GB framebuffer for the future.

 

[Pixrazor]

Can one overclock those Soc clocks? And does it give extra performance?