PSA: AMD's Graphics Driver will Eat One CPU Core when No Radeon Installed

[wiak]

Interesting. I thought the norm was to do a clean install when you switched CPU and motherboard...

i taught soo too, it depends on the person, some people dont use dual separate pcie cables to their graphics card either

1. Remember the WHQL certified NV driver that made Watch Dogs 2 instantly crash on start or even won't allow to start it?
2. The Chrome video playback problems with WHQL NV driveres not too long ago?
3. The RTX 3000 series drivers at the beginning?

i think amd also had chrome video playback issues too, so its more of a google problem

 

[mouacyk]

I look forward to the accompanied PSAs.

Logitech G-HUB still running if Logitech mouse isn't being used
Corsair iCUE still runs if Ducky Keyboard is used
Razers synapse still runs after a week of headphones not being used
etc..

How did you manage to miss that none of your analogs are running a rogue infinite loop?

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

from the article itself:



quite clearly you are not.
This is an amateurish mistake. There is no "hyperbolic statements" pointing this out.

See YOUR post for the hyperbole, amateurish it may be , worth more of mine or 90% of the public's time it isn't.

Your times yours, use it how you wish.

 

[mouacyk]

See YOUR post for the hyperbole, amateurish it may be , worth more of mine or 90% of the public's time it isn't.

Your times yours, use it how you wish.

Funny. This PSA does exactly that, save the public community of home-grown IT from having to deal with questions/confusion related to this. It leads ultimately to the point, that so many have made:
1) Uninstall drivers/software for removed hardware
AND one that few also realized:
2) Hardware programmers (looking at you AMD), fix your shit so others don't get blamed when average Joe doesn't know WTH (1) is

 

[W1zzard]

That stuff was always from "way too expensive" territory for me

There's a free version of IDA that's really wonderful, not that many limitations.

 

[RedelZaVedno]

LOL, RADEON ADRENALINE DRiVERS at it's best

 

[hurakura]

This is the new Kardashians. Fake drama galore.
Nothing bad to write about AMD now they are doing ok, so you have to come up with something like this. True, it's bad coding practice, but it won't affect 99% of PC users. Because even beginners now know to uninstall drivers before swapping the graphics card.

 

[IceShroom]

Good find, but what are we expecting from a "driver" that has integrated chromium, phone connectivity, streaming app, animated GIFs writer and other steaming-pile-of-horseshit-bloat??

If AMD didnt included those, you will be first say Nvidia has this and that and AMD has nothing.

Funny thing is that, whenever AMD releases a new GPU this kind of thhings appear. Looks like AMD did better thing by focusing on Consoles APU, rather than this stitty DIY GPU market.

 

[the54thvoid]

It's appalling how many ill-informed and shallow people have commented in a disparaging manner at what is a well-considered investigation into a software 'curiosity'. As a member - not a moderator - I'm amazed at the infantile reactions to the piece by W1zzard. There are no scathing critiques from the author, there is no call to arms. What has happened is a technical 'blip' has caused someone to take a closer look. And they found something unusual, rare, but worth posting about.

For the trolls and shitposters that think W1zzard and by extension, TPU, is a biased site, I suggest you look at the reviews for the Zen3 processors and the RDNA2 GPU's. Those reviews are glowing and that is pretty much the sum of AMD's fruit. If there was an anti-AMD agenda, it would be outwardly obvious. I'm sure this post will just rile people up more, but before you do get all antsy and start foaming at the mouth - go back and read the reviews.

TPU is a tech site and the material within should be tech based. When 'blips' happen, it can be good to see what's at the source. It's telling that so many people who rejoiced at Intel's security mishaps (which affected few in the consumer world), are up in arms over this piece. If we all just dropped the childish attitudes to hardware companies and saw tech as a uniform consumer product, we'd have so much less vitriol in the forums.

 

[Max(IT)]

It's appalling how many ill-informed and shallow people have commented in a disparaging manner at what is a well-considered investigation into a software 'curiosity'. As a member - not a moderator - I'm amazed at the infantile reactions to the piece by W1zzard. There are no scathing critiques from the author, there is no call to arms. What has happened is a technical 'blip' has caused someone to take a closer look. And they found something unusual, rare, but worth posting about.

For the trolls and shitposters that think W1zzard and by extension, TPU, is a biased site, I suggest you look at the reviews for the Zen3 processors and the RDNA2 GPU's. Those reviews are glowing and that is pretty much the sum of AMD's fruit. If there was an anti-AMD agenda, it would be outwardly obvious. I'm sure this post will just rile people up more, but before you do get all antsy and start foaming at the mouth - go back and read the reviews.

TPU is a tech site and the material within should be tech based. When 'blips' happen, it can be good to see what's at the source. It's telling that so many people who rejoiced at Intel's security mishaps (which affected few in the consumer world), are up in arms over this piece. If we all just dropped the childish attitudes to hardware companies and saw tech as a uniform consumer product, we'd have so much less vitriol in the forums.

Quite on the contrary TPU is one of the few website that are not worshipping AMD not-matter-what.
AMD surely deserve many compliments lately, because of their hardware, but they are terrible in software support. Many reviews are just ignoring that, because it’s not cool to speak against AMD nowadays. It doesn’t matter if their pricing now is worse than Intel and their gpu launch is worse than Nvidia. They are AMD and they must be “the good one”.

 

[Voluman]

Approx 1 year ago i did the same, but with win 8.1, at that time i didnt experience this.
I had intel, radeon and nv drivers installed at same time, and swapping gpus frequently, like every hour
But that was a b150 mobo with celeron g3930.

 

[medi01]

but software-wise

People need to stop repeating FUD.

 

[zlobby]

Next feature in NVidia driver... detect unused AMD software.

Meh! Nvidia should initiate AMD driver uninstall at boot level!

 

[Diverge]

AMD's crappy drivers is why I switched to Nvidia back in the day... and I'm not the only one who switched for those reasons.

edit: the GPU in my sig might be the last time I used one...lol

 

[wiak]

AMD's crappy drivers is why I switched to Nvidia back in the day... and I'm not the only one who switched for those reasons.

edit: the GPU in my sig might be the last time I used one...lol

have you even used a amd gpu in the last decade?

 

[Max(IT)]

have you even used a amd gpu in the last decade?

I did. 5700Xt still in my second PC.
Lately things improved but it was a nightmare over one year of usage.

 

[R-T-B]

People need to stop repeating FUD.

There is literal evidence of shitty coding practices in the OP of this article. It's not FUD at this point, it's a question of how deep the rabbit hole goes.

You SHOULD be asking yourself how much "fine wine" could be gained by fixing all the sure-to-be-found similar crap in the driver. It could be extraordinary.

have you even used a amd gpu in the last decade?

Me too. My experience (and attempt to help others) with the 5700 XT is well documented here on the forums. In particular, DX11 cpu overhead is absurd.

Lately things improved but it was a nightmare over one year of usage.

Same.

 

[Caring1]

amd gpu drivers are usual BETA ones, but nvidia WHQL certified.
sure if drivers are beta, they are not ready,they are under testing and finalysing...
just thinking, why release out beta drivers? why??

AMD release Beta driver's because they acknowledge their drivers have faults and try to fix them.
Unlike the "game ready" WHQL certified Nvidia drivers that are really Betas and need patches and fixes with constant updates.

 

[BiggieShady]

ill-informed and shallow people

they'd like to know how to facepalm over a bad code too

 

[R-T-B]

they'd like to know how to facepalm over a bad code too

I'd advise learning programming, and then reading some bad code. It will then just magically happen!

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

If we all just dropped the childish attitudes to hardware companies and saw tech as a uniform consumer product, we'd have so much less vitriol in the forums.

Raising the minimum age to join the forums would go a long way. I digress...

 

[lexluthermiester]

There is literal evidence of shitty coding practices in the OP of this article.

Evidence of a mistake, yes. However, the problem that exists strikes me as one that is fairly complicated and not something that could have been anticipated as a potential issue. This was an honest mistake much like the ones Intel, NVidia, Apple, Google, Microsoft, Adobe, etc, etc have made. Computer code is extremely complicated. People really need to stop making mountains out of mole-hills.

This situation, simplified down(as best I can manage, @W1zzard feel free to correct me if I've misunderstood things), is a set of instructions intended to perform a function erroring out and failing to truncate the process it's attached to, getting caught in an infinite loop and as a result pegs the CPU it's thread is running on at full processing cycles. This unfortunately continues until the process is terminated by system or user command.

People offering negative comments really need take a step back and think about how complicated things really are and try a bit of understanding. This is an example of something slipping passed those in charge of testing & debugging. Little more.

 

[Caring1]

Raising the minimum age I.Q. to join the forums would go a long way. I digress...

Fixed that.

 

[R-T-B]

However, the problem that exists strikes me as one that is fairly complicated and not something that could have been anticipated as a potential issue.

With all due respect, no commercial programmer should make a mistake like this ever. It's... I guess you just have to be a programmer to understand. It's like trying to hard boil an egg without water. It shows you have no business in the kitchen.

People offering negative comments really need take a step back and think about how complicated things really are and try a bit of understanding.

It's actually less complicated than you think.

 

[z1n0x]

This thread sure went places over a edge case.
But hey, it's driving weekend traffic, plus we can shit on RTG drivers, so life's good.