AMD Ryzen Threadripper 5000 Series "Genesis Peak" Processor Lineup Could Begin with a 16-Core Model

[voltage]

amd needs more cores to keep up with Intel's newest procs. its pretty much always been that way.

 

[InVasMani]

I doubt heat is a consideration there. I'm think AMD wants more entry level to make pricing more appealing to the TR platform. I was recently looking for a 1900/X just to see what it would cost now to enter the TR rabbit hole.

Yeah I looked into those as well, but they were earlier models that didn't scale frequency as well among other aspects AMD's refined along the way for Ryzen chips. The last batch of TR chips weren't bad they just were priced out of reach and consideration.

 

[SamuelL]

Allright.... then what about "just" PCIe 3.0 + ZEN2 and ZEN3 on a X399. Similar to X370 or B450.
Simple enough?
But no! They forced TR owners to swap the whole platform for TRX40 in order to run ZEN2....

They did make changes to the pin layout related to PCIe 4, but I really, really wish they would’ve offered me any upgrade path from my 2950X/X399 to Zen2. TR40 price + a 24core entry processor made no sense for my needs so I ended up grabbing a 3950X to use on an older AM4 board.

 

[300BaudBob]

I can see getting this for the extra pcie lanes. The extra cores: well I'd be happy enough with 8 but hey I'd rather have more than less. Speed is a factor too. Of course price and the availability of a good mother board is a another factor as I do have budget limits. I'll be keeping my eyes on this.

 

[Nephilim666]

They did make changes to the pin layout related to PCIe 4, but I really, really wish they would’ve offered me any upgrade path from my 2950X/X399 to Zen2. TR40 price + a 24core entry processor made no sense for my needs so I ended up grabbing a 3950X to use on an older AM4 board.

The funny thing is my 3960X on an ASUS Zenith II Extreme is not able to use PCIe 4.0 at stock speeds with an RTX 3090. Not using a riser cable or anything silly like that either.

 

[windwhirl]

The funny thing is my 3960X on an ASUS Zenith II Extreme is not able to use PCIe 4.0 at stock speeds with an RTX 3090. Not using a riser cable or anything silly like that either.

Unless you had the wrong settings in your BIOS, shouldn't you reach ASUS support to see if it's a mobo problem? Maybe a defect or something?

 

[Caring1]

My guess is lower core count, TDp <90W and higher clock speeds.

 

[SamuelL]

The funny thing is my 3960X on an ASUS Zenith II Extreme is not able to use PCIe 4.0 at stock speeds with an RTX 3090. Not using a riser cable or anything silly like that either.

that’s odd for sure, I don’t own any PCIe 4 cards to test, but could it be misreporting in GPU-Z or whichever app you’re checking?

 

[TheFutureIsNotWhatItWas]

I see some people complaining about Threadripper 3000 series not being supported on x399.
What about all the other millions who DID NOT want to buy in x399 or TRX40 Precisely because it has crappy stupid gaming motherboards which it still has over and over and over, which in no way come close to the x299 or WSC422 single or dual socket ASUS Intel Sage, Gigabyte C621 Aorus Extreme WITH 7 PCIE SLOTS
instead You bought into those trash Gaming motherboards that lacked 10Gbit Lan, barely have 4 PCIeSLots of ONLY 2 are wired at x16.
The only good thing about X399 and TRX40 is the presence of armour as for the rest, they are total useless trash and waste of money.

There is a lot of peole who are waiting instead for better Threadripper skews from 8 to 64 cores single and dual socket, better motherboards and ESPECIALLY DDR5 on the 5000 series instead of waiting for genoa.
I am NOT going to ever BUY a 5000 series Threadripper if it is on TRX40, DDR4 and such awful motherboards as there is now.
If AMD will still be offering Threadripper with ddr4 support, and Motherboards vendors will NOT make new motherboards that make sense for these cpus, then ALL the other MILLIONS of users that did NOT buy Threadripper will NOT Buy Threadripper 5000 series.

But one thing I wont do is whining about having socket support for a HEDT Or server grade like CPU for more than one nano second more than its OWN CPU generation, becuase if You buy a new CPU you want to have the new up to date tech and best motherboards all the time AND NOT be whining of my pathetic 500 or 1500 dollar motherboard and keep all future users instead hanging in Your OLD pathetic past and bad choices....If there is PCIE 5.0 I want anew motherbaord with new designs for it and a new cpu for it, I dont want an OLD rebranded copy paste frankestein motherboard.
if You have a x399 motherboard suck it up, and next time buy a gaming consumer class cpu.
@amd Instead.... if You are going to be listening to whining x399 owners like You did for x370 ones, AND YOU DO NOT GET THINGS STRAIGHTENED OUT WITH MOTHERBOARD MANUFACTURERS THAT ARE MAKING PATHETIC MOTHERBOARDS FOR THREADRIPPER You will never be considered a serious company, nor worth buying HEDT parts from... really fans on the chipset and the VRM in 2021?!!!
There is no way im gonna dropGV100 or Teslas or A100's or even low end 3090's on TRX40.
AS for today its much worth buying 500 dollars of dual xeon CPUs and a 500 dollar sage motherboard, than any threadripper part, if it has to come in such packages and pathetic motherboards.
I hope that TR5000 will change this and be packed with a state of the art IO chip and next generation memory controller, offer single and dual socket, support ddr5 and state of the art motherboard expansion for true workstation purposes... and still give me the high clock frequencies necessary for specific applications better than the Intel W series.
Show us if Mark Papermaster really intended business or the usual politically correct BS press release.... its about time overdue now and not about stingying out on a stupid IO chip or getting your voice heard at ASUS and Gigabyte.

It absolutely makes sense to have evena 8 core threadripper part, for those peole who might need all th PCIe lanes tons of storage options or run amini server, or simply alot of Archviz proffesionals and even VFX ones could drop in 5 Gpus 1 for the displays and 4 to run simulations or batch render lighting set up.
I use Houdini Phoenix and Vray a lot and a machine with 16 cores would be ideal, it would stay cool but still give me the snappiness necessary run very fast memory and tons of bandwidth and some decent compute power.
32 cores are excellent for single frame stuff and good compromise, but when doing single frame stuff, it is not a big deal to let it render while wokring on some other machine on something else, or give Your eyes a 20 30 minutes break in the meantime.

 

[Mamya3084]

I'll be very disappointed if they axe TRX40 support. The x399 axing was due to the chipset having more lanes to the CPU. Something they didn't bother trying to engineer for backwards compatibility.

What could the excuse be this time?

BIOS needs to be 512-bit?

Also, why don't these manufacturers think about keeping products longer?

 

[TheFutureIsNotWhatItWas]

I'll be very disappointed if they axe TRX40 support. The x399 axing was due to the chipset having more lanes to the CPU. Something they didn't bother trying to engineer for backwards compatibility.

What could the excuse be this time?

BIOS needs to be 512-bit?

Also, why don't these manufacturers think about keeping products longer?

Ehm... why should i support your claim so for AMD to ditch the idea to give US maybe 128 PCIE lanes with threadripper 5000 with a new socket?!...or ASUS or others make better motherboards, that are more suited for Threadripper than these crappy gaming ones they make now?!
I am sorry but i am totally against AMD supporting TRX40 its teh most stupid and crappy platform ever, and if they do , then it is NOT worth anyhow to change a cpu on it that does the same thing just a little 20% faster but has all the same features...
and frankly..I do not see You drop 2000 $ on a 5970x or even 2500 as they will likely raise prices 15/30% for the 5000 series.... what are You some kind of AMD donor?! and then what u gonna do when PCIe 5.0 is out on DDR5 eventually 8 months from now on Intel?! complain that AMD tricked you into buying threadripper 5000 on TRX40?!

only a fool that has TRx40 woudl buy AMD Threadripper 5000 in end of february, with intel coming with pcie5.0 and DDR5 in september, and onkya fool would buy Intel in septemebr, with Threadripper 6000 on 5 nm coming out in march april 2022.

 

[Camm]

AMD supporting TRX40 its teh most stupid and crappy platform ever

X299 says hi.

Considering these are literally your first two posts on TPU, I smell an Intel shill.

 

[Flyordie]

It's a long shot, but I'd really love for a 12 core or even 8 core but high clocking Threadripper; serving both as the budget end of the Threadripper line and for those who needs the I/O but more clocks rather than cores. 16 cores implies at least a 2 CCD die TR part, so just using 2 functional 6/6 or 4/4* Core CCDs shouldn't affect the manufacturing process much.

*Or a single 8 Core CCD if such a thing is possible; not sure given how TR's memory layout is a bit different from Ryzen.

I'm in the same boat. Still running the 1900X as I had planned to upgrade to the 16-core down the road. Then they broke compatibility and I ain't gonna invest in a dead platform.

IF they do an 8 or 12 core for $499-600 range.. I'd make the jump to the new socket with a new board.

 

[TheFutureIsNotWhatItWas]

X299 says hi.

Considering these are literally your first two posts on TPU, I smell an Intel shill.

Not at all... threadripper is a fantastic product since the 3000 series, and I literally detest Intel, becuase they are bluntly said crooks....but the thing is if You really work with computers, and look at the options and super high frequency mega core count is not your first priority, TRX40 has very less to offer....
You get tops 4 pcie slots 16 of tops two are wired at x16...on intel with a dual socket at half teh cost of xtr40 u can pack 88 pcie lanes and wire at least 4 at x16..you can change the pci slots pcie lanes, you cant do this on amd systems.(unless i missed out something)
I can run raid 10on Intel and have still tons of extra expansion, I cant on AMD...
Now Gigabyte has made an IPMI motherboard with 7 pcie slots for threadripper pro....this is a great option in case amd allows to buy the pro series to compete with intel W, or it is a sign that at least at Gigabyte they woke up and they will be making threadripper motherboards with better expansion possibilites, in that case i am all in AMD, but as for now, despite having fantastic cpus and the 5000 series will be definitely that, they are some kind a waste of money unless u wanna build a small system with just 2/4 gpus instead of ideally 5....and the only decent motherboard for that is the aorus extreme becuase of the pcie slot spacing.
I do not dispute AMD threadripper, but I am disputing that the TRx40 platform as offered today is total piece of junk no matter how high end the components are....if i cant milk all the pcie lanes how i need them what use is to me to buy a threadripper.?!
Motherboard manufacturters have stil NOT understood what a threadripper notherboard shoudl be like AND frankly at this point AMD themselves are not really aware of what Threadripper is ideal for themselves...it seesmto me they just made threadripper to show theyare faster than Intel, but do nto have the fainthest idea what people do with this grade of Platforms.
And it shows...they have zero collabopriton with Chaos group , Zero collaboraiton with Otoy, Zero collaboration with Pixar, zero Collaboraiton with SideFX..they have zero collaboration withthe VFX and movie industry and the software makes for such proffesionals....I doubt they ever even contacted Autodesk or even Adobe.
I am also pretty sure that at AMD they have no idea at all that a 3990X rendering perfomancre is equal to more than two TITAN RTX...
They are just focusing in consolles and storage servers.... and in the meantime all the rest of the world is going at a much faster pace and if they continue to stay like this it wont take more than 2 years for them to go down the drain again as they did in the past.
AMD today should be buying out all the rendering software companies possible which cost relatively nothing compared to Xilinx a drop in the ocean and have a stake in most gaming studios, and much deeper finacial connection with sony or samsung.
At supermicro it took forever to get out a EPyc or threadripper motherboard..or a GPGPU sever motherboard....if it was not for nvidia AMD would not be in NVIDIA SERVERS.
I suspect, that at AMD there are great engineers, but that they and the CTO and the CEO are totally incapable of seeing beyond their nose and what is going on around in the world.
Nvidia has got ARM now.. AMD can see the whole consolle world slip away from under their nose.... they should have bid for ARM in competition with NVIDIA.. now they better make good use of xililinx and get into aerospace military and similar industries fast.

 

[Chrispy_]

Intel have done this before - same core count on two different platforms.

There are legitimate reasons for wanting quad channel RAM and more PCIe lanes. The 5950X is pretty great but it's still limited to 128GB RAM in two channels and 24 PCIe lanes.

There's also a better choice of EATX motherboards that can actually use those 64 lanes because you're going to struggle to use 64 lanes with the standard IO and expansion options of most AM4 boards.

 

[k_9virus]

I'm in the same boat. Still running the 1900X as I had planned to upgrade to the 16-core down the road. Then they broke compatibility and I ain't gonna invest in a dead platform.

IF they do an 8 or 12 core for $499-600 range.. I'd make the jump to the new socket with a new board.

same here. 8-12 core are enough for me i just hope they wont kill it again after 1 generation lol

 

[TheFutureIsNotWhatItWas]

I would like to offer a different view on CPU upgrades in the HEDT segment;
If you're buying a Threadripper (or comparable Xeon) in the first place, I would assume you will be using it for something which needs this kind of performance, it's not a toy. Then if you 2-3 years later actually need more CPU performance, I would guess that your time will be valuable, so I would argue that any potential compatibility issues with running an old motherboard with a new CPU is less of a concern than paying up for a new motherboard.
In a perfect world, infinite upgradabilities would be fantastic, but in reality motherboard support beyond 1-2 years is totally crap. If this should become a viable option for professionals, then it should include a 5 year support plan or something.

Finally someone that said something intelligent in any Threadripper forum ever!!
A leasing withsupport plan with Eg every 5 year upgrade release would be awesome, and would be extremely succesful.
But the only problem as i see if , would be motherboard manufacturers associating financially into this with a serious legal commitment..
This might lead into motherboard manufacturers manufacturing less quality motherboards OR making much higher quality motherboards and taking them back in later the plan is over to refurbish into a second hand certified market with warranty...this might be logistically a massive expense .
I think it the end you would end up spending more, than just buying a new motherboard with a new cpu and using it for 5 years till its fully depreciated and tax deducted.
I think its a great case study to look into and making a serious feasibility study on it....but then big compaies that buy servers in bulk might want this too...and i dont think this could be actually materially sustainable...and i mean actualy, i do not think mother earth can actually provide this kind of volumes unless u can recylce silicon one day.

I think a nicer approach would be prorder like tesla does, eg 2 years prior, you coudl file it as an investment ...so amd and motheboard manufacturers would get money before offering the product, and eventually could in exchange bring costs and pricing down .

amd needs more cores to keep up with Intel's newest procs. its pretty much always been that way.

AMD doesnt need anything... it is Us that need better motherboards for AMD, than what they are offered for Intel.
Amd could make 4 core threadrippers and they would still outsell Intel W series.

 

[Mamya3084]

Ehm... why should i support your claim so for AMD to ditch the idea to give US maybe 128 PCIE lanes with threadripper 5000 with a new socket?!...or ASUS or others make better motherboards, that are more suited for Threadripper than these crappy gaming ones they make now?!
I am sorry but i am totally against AMD supporting TRX40 its teh most stupid and crappy platform ever, and if they do , then it is NOT worth anyhow to change a cpu on it that does the same thing just a little 20% faster but has all the same features...
and frankly..I do not see You drop 2000 $ on a 5970x or even 2500 as they will likely raise prices 15/30% for the 5000 series.... what are You some kind of AMD donor?! and then what u gonna do when PCIe 5.0 is out on DDR5 eventually 8 months from now on Intel?! complain that AMD tricked you into buying threadripper 5000 on TRX40?!

only a fool that has TRx40 woudl buy AMD Threadripper 5000 in end of february, with intel coming with pcie5.0 and DDR5 in september, and onkya fool would buy Intel in septemebr, with Threadripper 6000 on 5 nm coming out in march april 2022.

I have no words....

Who are we all kidding anyway. Just buy an M1 Macbook. they are the future...

 

[TheFutureIsNotWhatItWas]

I have no words....

Who are we all kidding anyway. Just buy an M1 Macbook. they are the future...

Nah!! I still wanna keep my abacus.... its forward compatibility and future proof features never failed me.

 

[Zubasa]

I see some people complaining about Threadripper 3000 series not being supported on x399.
What about all the other millions who DID NOT want to buy in x399 or TRX40 Precisely because it has crappy stupid gaming motherboards which it still has over and over and over, which in no way come close to the x299 or WSC422 single or dual socket ASUS Intel Sage, Gigabyte C621 Aorus Extreme WITH 7 PCIE SLOTS
instead You bought into those trash Gaming motherboards that lacked 10Gbit Lan, barely have 4 PCIeSLots of ONLY 2 are wired at x16.
The only good thing about X399 and TRX40 is the presence of armour as for the rest, they are total useless trash and waste of money.

There is a lot of peole who are waiting instead for better Threadripper skews from 8 to 64 cores single and dual socket, better motherboards and ESPECIALLY DDR5 on the 5000 series instead of waiting for genoa.
I am NOT going to ever BUY a 5000 series Threadripper if it is on TRX40, DDR4 and such awful motherboards as there is now.
If AMD will still be offering Threadripper with ddr4 support, and Motherboards vendors will NOT make new motherboards that make sense for these cpus, then ALL the other MILLIONS of users that did NOT buy Threadripper will NOT Buy Threadripper 5000 series.

But one thing I wont do is whining about having socket support for a HEDT Or server grade like CPU for more than one nano second more than its OWN CPU generation, becuase if You buy a new CPU you want to have the new up to date tech and best motherboards all the time AND NOT be whining of my pathetic 500 or 1500 dollar motherboard and keep all future users instead hanging in Your OLD pathetic past and bad choices....If there is PCIE 5.0 I want anew motherbaord with new designs for it and a new cpu for it, I dont want an OLD rebranded copy paste frankestein motherboard.
if You have a x399 motherboard suck it up, and next time buy a gaming consumer class cpu.
@amd Instead.... if You are going to be listening to whining x399 owners like You did for x370 ones, AND YOU DO NOT GET THINGS STRAIGHTENED OUT WITH MOTHERBOARD MANUFACTURERS THAT ARE MAKING PATHETIC MOTHERBOARDS FOR THREADRIPPER You will never be considered a serious company, nor worth buying HEDT parts from... really fans on the chipset and the VRM in 2021?!!!
There is no way im gonna dropGV100 or Teslas or A100's or even low end 3090's on TRX40.
AS for today its much worth buying 500 dollars of dual xeon CPUs and a 500 dollar sage motherboard, than any threadripper part, if it has to come in such packages and pathetic motherboards.
I hope that TR5000 will change this and be packed with a state of the art IO chip and next generation memory controller, offer single and dual socket, support ddr5 and state of the art motherboard expansion for true workstation purposes... and still give me the high clock frequencies necessary for specific applications better than the Intel W series.
Show us if Mark Papermaster really intended business or the usual politically correct BS press release.... its about time overdue now and not about stingying out on a stupid IO chip or getting your voice heard at ASUS and Gigabyte.

It absolutely makes sense to have evena 8 core threadripper part, for those peole who might need all th PCIe lanes tons of storage options or run amini server, or simply alot of Archviz proffesionals and even VFX ones could drop in 5 Gpus 1 for the displays and 4 to run simulations or batch render lighting set up.
I use Houdini Phoenix and Vray a lot and a machine with 16 cores would be ideal, it would stay cool but still give me the snappiness necessary run very fast memory and tons of bandwidth and some decent compute power.
32 cores are excellent for single frame stuff and good compromise, but when doing single frame stuff, it is not a big deal to let it render while wokring on some other machine on something else, or give Your eyes a 20 30 minutes break in the meantime.

I assume you were looking for something like this?
https://www.asrockrack.com/general/productdetail.asp?Model=X399D8A-2T#Specifications

 

[Mamya3084]

Nah!! I still wanna keep my abacus.... its forward compatibility and future proof features never failed me.

I sort of get the "cut of your jib".
Yes, it would be nice to have the non-gaming motherboards. But that's not gonna happen.

I just got the cheapest gigabyte board, with minimal RGB.

I think Ascock make a green PCB TRX40.

They probably want people to go epyc workstations for anything requiring more lanes.

 

[Sybaris_Caesar]

Thanks to Yuri "1usmus" Bubliy, AMD is going to start the next-generation Threadripper lineup with a 16 core processor.

Shouldn't it be 'Thanks to Yuri "1usmus" Bubily, we have come to know that AMD is going to start the next-generation...' or similar? The quoted implies that AMD is going to offer 16-core Threadripper because 1usmus told them to.

 

[Mouth of Sauron]

Finally someone that said something intelligent in any Threadripper forum ever!!

Yup, you and effikan are basically the only ones who said anything of substance in the whole thread. Most people comment for comment’ sake, and have nothing to say

"Future board for future CPU may... And I want to use my Thunderbird board with it, because of... Also, I'm very funny, but I don't show it in any noticeable way... Hear me roar, weakly!"

Seriously, what most people try is to have POSSIBILITY to put it, whatever it would look like, in (say) 370. Great idea! I happen to have 370 system, it either gets to the next-in-dynastic-order as is, or gets a 2700x tray (which is, funnily, whole 120g LESS then 1700-nonX where I can buy it, speaking of distorted market?!). Few years old MBs (370) usually lack a bunch of features, or are equipped as such by buyers (like me, who have mighty 2400 declared speed RAM - OK, I did OC that - but that was what marked offered at Zen1 times).

When upgrading (and it's a due time, I wait for a market to 'stabilize', like in having 5xxx actually available), I'm most definitely changing MB and RAM and for 5xxx... for that I need to see price difference from 3xxx, decide then. Could happen in a few months, though I've hoped (half a year ago) that it would've been now. Well, tough luck... Oh, but MB choice might be no-brainer in a few months, why should I go to flame-war *now* because of it.

On TR example, I'd definitely wait for CPU first, decide if in need 8-core TR at all (might be rubbish, you know), see prices, see MBs (and prices, and compatibility), decide then. Not now...

 

[efikkan]

I see some people complaining about Threadripper 3000 series not being supported on x399.
What about all the other millions who DID NOT want to buy in x399 or TRX40 Precisely because it has crappy stupid gaming motherboards which it still has over and over and over, which in no way come close to the x299 or WSC422 single or dual socket ASUS Intel Sage, Gigabyte C621 Aorus Extreme WITH 7 PCIE SLOTS
instead You bought into those trash Gaming motherboards that lacked 10Gbit Lan, barely have 4 PCIeSLots of ONLY 2 are wired at x16.

Well, I don't think they need things like 10G networking built-in, provided there is plenty of PCIe ports.
But seriously, why isn't SSI-EEB the standard form factor for powerful workstations?
Just look at the Supermicro X11SPA-T, this is how workstation motherboards should look in my opinion.

Finally someone that said something intelligent in any Threadripper forum ever!!
A leasing withsupport plan with Eg every 5 year upgrade release would be awesome, and would be extremely succesful.
But the only problem as i see if , would be motherboard manufacturers associating financially into this with a serious legal commitment..

All they need to commit to is doing proper BIOS support for X years, including supporting any new compatible CPU generations. Without this, some half-hearted patchwork to support new CPUs is basically "worthless" for any pro users.

 

[repman244]

I was looking at threadripper as an upgrade to the ancient platform I'm running but apart from "moar cores" I didn't find good workstation motherboards. They all fell into the crappy gaming category at a higher price.

Which is a shame since the platform has so much potential, I would like more PCI-e slots (and not those useless x1 slots, even X99 offered better motherboards).
No need for useless features such as 2.5G ethernet or even 10G Base-T, two 1G ports to keep the costs down and I'll add my own sfp card.
Then we come to features such as SAS controller, IPMI and something that is severely lacking - long time support.

Someone who does these things properly is Supermicro - but they don't even offer any AMD based motherboards.