MSI to Release New Revision of RTX 3060 Ti: Ventus 2X V1

[Raevenlord]

MSI are seemingly readying themselves to update their RTX 3060 Ti Ventus 2X graphics card with a relatively deep revision. The new Ventus 2X V1 graphics card keeps all the same frequencies and clocks of the previous Ventus 2X (1695 MHz boost clock in the OC model), and the same TGP of 200 W. The bulk of the revisions are focused on the cards' power delivery and heat dissipation systems.

The new, revised Ventus 2X V1does away with the original's 2x 8-pin connectors, and offers a single 8-pin connector for power delivery purposes. This could mean lowered overclocking ceilings for the card, but I suppose we'll only know the answer to that when these are out there in the wild. The fact that MSI also revised the cooling system, however, seems to give credence to that overclocking headroom theory: with less power being (possibly) delivered to the card, MSI has seen it fit to make the Ventus 2X V1 a thinner card compared to its predecessor (it's a 2-slot card now, at 42 mm, whereas it was a 2.2-slot in the first revision, at 52 mm).



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[R00kie]

Tiny heatsink for such a TGP.
If it's anything like the one on the 2070 Super Ventus, its gonna be god awfully loud and hot.

 

[King Mustard]

Surely it makes it v2?

 

[Valantar]

Surely it makes it v2?

My thoughts exactly.

Great to see more 2-slot current-gen GPUs arriving though.

 

[Turmania]

I can understand why they trim it to 2 slots and 1 power connector for sales and market share purposes, just do not understand why they did not think of that from start.

 

[Valantar]

I can understand why they trim it to 2 slots and 1 power connector for sales and market share purposes, just do not understand why they did not think of that from start.

The old version simply re-used the cooler from the 3070. Likely a cost savings and time-to-market measure, and now as things are normalizing a bit they've had the time to design and manufacture a more made-to-order cooling solution. It might even have a new PCB given the removal of one power connector.

 

[kayjay010101]

Surely it makes it v2?

Yeah. They mixed up v (version) with rev (revision). It would be revision 1, which is the second version (v2).

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

I can get behind the power delivery trim( 2 8 pins on a budget model was weird) however them downgrading the cooler is whack

 

[Vya Domus]

Damn, dual 8 pin for a xx60ti card, seriously ?

 

[Valantar]

Damn, dual 8 pin for a xx60ti card, seriously ?

Not any more, clearly.

 

[m6tzg6r]

Why are they trying to pump so many watts into cards, my 3070 used about 220w stock until i put the power limit to 80% now it uses 175w and runs cooler and quieter, only lost a couple fps.

I can have the exact gaming experience at 175w than i can using 220w, wish i experimented with lowering the power limit on my previous cards...

 

[owen10578]

Still haven't fixed the weak heatsink and crap ass shroud that rattles. Removing the second 8-pin is a good move though considering it only has a paltry 200W default and max power limit anyways.

 

[Batou1986]

I own the current model and this honestly looks like a downgrade, they have made the power delivery side of the board smaller and the only change to cooling is the same cooler now blows through the backplate where the previous VRM circuitry used to be.
Also I dont have any issues with the cooler rattling.

 

[Max(IT)]

Ventus are very poor cards and now they are making a new revision, few months after initial release.
I wonder how happy are customers about that...

 

[Batou1986]

I have a Ventus 2x OC 3060ti and I dont see what is very poor about it, it runs at the same average boost clock as the FE and the same temps with 60% fan speed.
It may be very slightly louder than an FE or a triple fan card but its certainly not what I would consider very poor like the Gigabyte Eagle or the Zotac dual .
This coming from someone who absolutely despises MSI since the early 2000's.

 

[Valantar]

Why are they trying to pump so many watts into cards, my 3070 used about 220w stock until i put the power limit to 80% now it uses 175w and runs cooler and quieter, only lost a couple fps.

I can have the exact gaming experience at 175w than i can using 220w, wish i experimented with lowering the power limit on my previous cards...

Suddenly Nvidia has real competition while they can no longer bank on a large architectural efficiency advantage, so they have to compete on absolute performance for every product tier. That inevitably leads to pushed clocks and wasted power to eke out the last few percentage points of performance. It's a version of what we saw AMD doing with Vega, although that was obviously much worse in terms of how far it was pushed. Still, no matter the GPU, there'll nearly always be large efficiency gains for very small performance sacrifices - that's how voltage/frequency scaling works. The only recent GPU not matching that was the original BIOS RX 5600 XT, but then AMD went and released a clock-boosted BIOS for that too, so ... yeah. Undervolting is always a good idea.

I own the current model and this honestly looks like a downgrade, they have made the power delivery side of the board smaller and the only change to cooling is the same cooler now blows through the backplate where the previous VRM circuitry used to be.
Also I dont have any issues with the cooler rattling.

It's clearly a downgrade, as I said above the first edition looks to have used the cooler (and likely even the PCB and VRM) from the 3070 despite this being significant overkill for this GPU, so this is more of a step towards a better matching cooler+board design for the power level, allowing for lower production costs (and thus hopefully slightly less inflated prices in time). It's not likely to be a downgrade that actually matters much, though it'll obviously either be a bit hotter and/or louder to maintain the same clocks. Oh, and it's not the same cooler, the fin stack is very noticeably thinner on the new one, that's how they've taken this from a 2.5-slot GPU to 2-slot.

 

[Minus Infinity]

Maybe the performance was too close to Nvidia's 3070 and they didn't like that and forced MSI to pull it back.

 

[xBruce88x]

wonder how long you'll actually be able to get one

 

[Valantar]

Maybe the performance was too close to Nvidia's 3070 and they didn't like that and forced MSI to pull it back.

Or maybe MSI just wanted to lower production costs for a GPU that sells for a lower price. Performance isn't likely to change noticeably.

 

[owen10578]

I own the current model and this honestly looks like a downgrade, they have made the power delivery side of the board smaller and the only change to cooling is the same cooler now blows through the backplate where the previous VRM circuitry used to be.
Also I dont have any issues with the cooler rattling.

The V1 already has borderline minimum VRMs at 315A and Nvidia's minimum 300A spec. The V2 can't be worse than that or they'll be under the minimum spec. They just removed the second useless 8-pin connector.

 

[TheUn4seen]

I have a Ventus 2x OC 3060ti and I dont see what is very poor about it, it runs at the same average boost clock as the FE and the same temps with 60% fan speed.
It may be very slightly louder than an FE or a triple fan card but its certainly not what I would consider very poor like the Gigabyte Eagle or the Zotac dual .
This coming from someone who absolutely despises MSI since the early 2000's.

The thing about opinions on the Internet is they are formed by people who never even saw a product in person, let alone used it. Case in point: I had three 1080 ti cards. The first one I bought was the Strix which had very enthusiastic reviews and many recommendations from random people on the Internet, including TPU forums. It was the first graphics card I ever returned for a full refund, the cooler was really loud and the coil whine was just unbearable - and that's coming from someone who used the Gigabyte 980ti G1, "famous" for having coil whine which could easily sink out the cooler. Than I bought the MSI Gaming X which also was a lot louder than it should and finally I settled on MSI Armor - a card which many people advised against and treated with contempt. It actually was the best of the bunch - almost no coil whine and the cooler was no louder than the Gaming X. I used it until a few days ago, when I got the 3080 Ventus 3X - I actually like the card. It has no carcinogenic blinking lights, is quieter than any 1080 ti I had and generally works fine.

 

[InVasMani]

At least they got the fin orientated correct on the cooling itself even if they made it more janky in terms of effectiveness by thinning it down. GPU coolers should always have that type of fin orientated where the gets expelled out the back properly along the fins rather than pushed into the case itself heating up the CPU and VRM's in the process and making it more difficult to expel heat outside the case.

 

[Valantar]

At least they got the fin orientated correct on the cooling itself even if they made it more janky in terms of effectiveness by thinning it down. GPU coolers should always have that type of fin orientated where the gets expelled out the back properly along the fins rather than pushed into the case itself heating up the CPU and VRM's in the process and making it more difficult to expel heat outside the case.

I have to disagree there. A simple exhaust fan will "fix" the "problem" of a GPU exhausting its heat into the case, while nothing can fix the fact that for a large portion of the heatsink when oriented like this, the cooling fans will be fighting each other's airflow, dramatically reducing the effectiveness of that part of the heatsink. Vertical (when seen from the front) heatsink fins allow for unobstructed airflow for each fan until the air leaves the heatsink. Horizontal fins means that, at best, 50% of the airflow from the rearmost fan is exhausted out the back (though likely far less given the small vent opening and open airflow paths), 50% of the frontmost fan's airflow is exhausted out the front, and the remaining 50% of each fan is mostly wasted on creating turbulence around the middle of the heatsink.