Samsung Officially Announces 870 EVO SATA SSD Series

[MikeMurphy]

I'm presently running a 1TB 850 Pro SATA on my x570 + 5900x + 64GB of RAM desktop.

I might be losing a fraction of a second here and there but really, it doesn't matter.

 

[Minus Infinity]

I'm presently running a 1TB 850 Pro SATA on my x570 + 5900x + 64GB of RAM desktop.

I might be losing a fraction of a second here and there but really, it doesn't matter.

I won't bash Samsung for higher prices becuase for me reliability is what's important and since I usually only upgrade every 5 years or more, paying $50 more for a SSD is nothing for peace of mind. I've got a 2011 system running an 830 Pro still going strong, a 2014 laptop with an 840 Pro still going strong and have a 970 EVO in my 2017 system still going strong.

Having said that Samsung are not the only game in town now like they once were and there are other very good reliable options. They seem more like Intel too arrogant to respond to competition with better pricing. My next build most likely won't have Samsung SSD's.

 

[evernessince]

Hi,
Funny you bring up adata 8200 pro's lol I returned three none of which came anywhere close to the advertised read/ wright spec's

Sounds like a problem on your end.

In any case anecdotal evidence is essentially equivalent to a single user review. There are thousands for the drive, a majority positive. There's also professional reviews that reflect the same.

Using a single personal example to try and demonstrate that anything but Samsung is bad contradicts the mountains of evidence we have from both professional reviewers (including TPU itself) and user reviews. Just because you, a singular individual, has a problem, does not change that fact.

 

[Sybaris_Caesar]

Sounds like a problem on your end.

In any case anecdotal evidence is essentially equivalent to a single user review. There are thousands for the drive, a majority positive. There's also professional reviews that reflect the same.

Using a single personal example to try and demonstrate that anything but Samsung is bad contradicts the mountains of evidence we have from both professional reviewers (including TPU itself) and user reviews. Just because you, a singular individual, has a problem, does not change that fact.

Khek! Lol. Looks like Adata getting caught in bait-and-switch didn't reach your news-cycle : Adata Switches to Slower Controller, NAND on SX8200 Pro | Tom's Hardware Yeah... Sounds like a problem on Adata's end, not his.

And it's not a new phenomena. SSD makers without any of their own vertical supply have been doing bait-and-switch for years: SSD shadiness: Kingston and PNY caught bait-and-switching cheaper components after good reviews - ExtremeTech

 

[Deleted member 185088]

Why aren't higher storage options less expensive? It doesn't make sense, 2tb SSD uses less materials than two 1tb SSD yet often it's better to get two SSDs rather than one, especially sata ones.

 

[R0H1T]

Because Samsung has vertical manufacturing integration from NAND to controllers to DRAM and it's more expensive to fabricate these like that? Oh wait...

Be fair, let's not pretend that's the only reason

Adata Switches to Slower Controller, NAND on SX8200 Pro

A change in components could mean slower performance.

www.tomshardware.com

Right, must be nice living in a bubble.

Sounds like a problem on your end.

 

[evernessince]

Khek! Lol. Looks like Adata getting caught in bait-and-switch didn't reach your news-cycle : Adata Switches to Slower Controller, NAND on SX8200 Pro | Tom's Hardware Yeah... Sounds like a problem on Adata's end, not his.

And it's not a new phenomena. SSD makers without any of their own vertical supply have been doing bait-and-switch for years: SSD shadiness: Kingston and PNY caught bait-and-switching cheaper components after good reviews - ExtremeTech

It's really besides the point anyways. The point was that there are many good alternatives. That a single cherry picked example was slightly downgraded is completely irrelevant. There are still dozens of good alternatives.

And no, I don't read "Just buy it!" tomshardware, that publication is complete trash.

 

[R0H1T]

That a single cherry picked example was slightly downgraded is completely irrelevant.

It isn't just one, there's a long history of bait & switch in the SSD space especially with brands like PNY, Kingston, Silicon Power & now ADATA. To deny the obvious is like keeping your head in the sand.

The point was that there are many good alternatives.

Yes & the other point is, which you're keenly ignoring, is that you're paying the "Samsung tax" for a brand name as well as peace of mind ~ some people prefer not to have them being screwed over by manufacturers, yes it's something that people do invest in.

 

[evernessince]

It isn't just one, there's a long history of bait & switch in the SSD space especially with brands like PNY, Kingston, Silicon Power & now ADATA. To deny the obvious is like keeping your head in the sand.

Yes & the other point is, which you're keenly ignoring, is that you're paying the "Samsung tax" for a brand name as well as peace of mind ~ some people prefer not to have them being screwed over by manufacturers, yes it's something that people do invest in.

lol sure if you ignore the fact that samsung has been sued in the past for price fixing of monitor panels and DRAM.

Yeah, what ADATA did was wrong but if buying Samsung gives you peace of mind you are a fool.

 

[Octopuss]

Bah, it will be a few more years before I can replace the 4TB disks in my NAS with SSDs These prices are nuts.

Also, what's the next best brand after Samsung? If we're talking something like 970 Pro equivalent drives. I don't care about sequential speeds, but I want my drives to handle the real world usage and I want that particular metric to be good.

 

[evernessince]

Bah, it will be a few more years before I can replace the 4TB disks in my NAS with SSDs These prices are nuts.

Also, what's the next best brand after Samsung? If we're talking something like 970 Pro equivalent drives. I don't care about sequential speeds, but I want my drives to handle the real world usage and I want that particular metric to be good.

HP EX950

TBH though you can buy almost any PCIe NVME drive and end user experience won't be that different. For average use you are really paying more for shaving off tiny fractions of a second.

 

[Octopuss]

Well, anytime I read a review of a non-Samsung drive, there was a catch of some sort. Typically inferior performance when moving small files or similar things.

 

[ThrashZone]

Sounds like a problem on your end.

In any case anecdotal evidence is essentially equivalent to a single user review. There are thousands for the drive, a majority positive. There's also professional reviews that reflect the same.

Using a single personal example to try and demonstrate that anything but Samsung is bad contradicts the mountains of evidence we have from both professional reviewers (including TPU itself) and user reviews. Just because you, a singular individual, has a problem, does not change that fact.

Hi,
Two different builds so very much doubt it.

Adata products it's best to not test lol

 

[Sybaris_Caesar]

It's really besides the point anyways. The point was that there are many good alternatives. That a single cherry picked example was slightly downgraded is completely irrelevant. There are still dozens of good alternatives.

And no, I don't read "Just buy it!" tomshardware, that publication is complete trash.

And other brands giving similar or better alternatives doesn't erode the fact that people trust the brand that Samsung built up over the years and don't need to check various SSD reviews to know any Samsung SSD is at or among the top of the chart.

It's like Toyota (or Volkswagen) vs other brands, BMW's M3 vs other brands, Ford F150 vs other full size trucks. The market leaders have consistently proven themselves for decades.

I'm not saying you should always buy Samsung, Nvidia, ASUS and pay their respective taxes. But people who do so aren't wrong in their choice either.

 

[kapone32]

I have never owned a Samsung SSD so I can't speak. What I can say though is those speeds are the same I have seen from every other SSDs from Samsung for the last how many years.

 

[Sybaris_Caesar]

I have never owned a Samsung SSD so I can't speak. What I can say though is those speeds are the same I have seen from every other SSDs from Samsung for the last how many years.

Yea. 6 Gbps (with overhead so not even being able to cross 600 MB/s) is the limit for SATA. It's been saturated for years now.

 

[kapone32]

Yea. 6 Gbps (with overhead so not even being able to cross 600 MB/s) is the limit for SATA. It's been saturated for years now.

Which brings me back to my point that these should be retailing for 1/2 of what the suggested msrp is.

 

[ThrashZone]

Which brings me back to my point that these should be retailing for 1/2 of what the suggested msrp is.

Hi,
Products always drop in price if they don't sell
50% off well I doubt that but 25% is not unusual on holiday/... sells.

 

[Sybaris_Caesar]

Which brings me back to my point that these should be retailing for 1/2 of what the suggested msrp is.

What @ThrashZone said. For that to happen, people should stop buying SATA SSDs full stop.

 

[evernessince]

And other brands giving similar or better alternatives

Thank you for proving my original point. Case closed.

It's like Toyota (or Volkswagen) vs other brands, BMW's M3 vs other brands, Ford F150 vs other full size trucks. The market leaders have consistently proven themselves for decades.

I'm not saying you should always buy Samsung, Nvidia, ASUS and pay their respective taxes. But people who do so aren't wrong in their choice either.

ASUS certainly don't produce products to a consistent standard and there have been a mountain of complaints about ASUS BIOSes for the last 4 years. Volkswagen? The same company that got caught cheating emissions tests?

This is why buying a brand blindly is a terrible idea. Every company has bad products or will have bad products. If you think samsung has had zero issues you'd be wrong as well: https://www.diskpart.com/articles/samsung-ssd-slow-down-4125.html

People who always buy one brand without first considering alternatives while putting their preconceived biases aside are indeed wrong, no ifs and buts about it.