Graphics Card Prices Could Soar Amid Increasing Memory Prices

[kapone32]

Thing is, they're pricing PC gamers out of PC gaming, especially when consoles are now in the neighborhood of 4k60 for substantially less. The golden goose is being strangled. Wonder how many PC gamers are going to get tired of waiting and waiting and waiting, first for nvidia and AMD to release products that were actual upgrades and now that they finally got around to doing so, waiting for them to make enough at the original prices they promised.

Meh. Might be time to give up on PC gaming for a generation.

You are missing the point in MSRP. The S stands for "suggested". I can't speak for the US but I know in Canada it is the distributor that determines the price it sells to retail channels which influences the retaIL price. There is no doubt that one thing they have promised is that all of these cards are faster than the 2080TI and the AMD cards are all up to 90% faster than their previous Gen. Those 2 factors alone means that of the 17+ million users on Steam, if 3% are looking to get a new card that there are 510,000 potential customers from the traditional Gaming channels. As Epic had 19 million downloads of SW Battlefront 2 and even though plenty of those users are on Steam at least 5% of them are on Epic alone.

Now let's put the pandemic into focus. The biggest Youtube tech channels have all doubled in 2020. Even TPU has a wealth of new members since 2020. That means that millions of people have become more intimately aware of these new GPUs. That brings me back to my first point in that these cards are all faster or as fast the 2080TI.

The mining craze is the 3rd pillar as just last week on Newegg there were no GPUs (Lg710 excused) for sale on the site. We have even seen a return to stock of RX570 8GB cards in a few channels (not third party) like Newegg and Canada Computers. Even those cards are being gobbled up as we speak. Crypto mining is highly volatile but this time it is different. This time the move is being influenced by traditional investment institutions and individuals there are a cornucopia of vehicles they use. The 2nd point also contributes to the social media effect. Do you remember that story (with Pics) of the person that was using 78 3090s in a Mining Rig 2 to 3 weeks after they were released. Nvidia told everyone that they were going to drop SLI support and then all of a sudden several Youtube channels have a competition with 2 3090s in SLI for 3D Mark scores?


Those are (for me) the most mitigating factor in the price of GPUs. Now we add memory pricing woes and the pressure gets even stronger. The machiavellian thing is supply IS just starting to come into a more healthy state (If ever so slowly).

 

[300BaudBob]

I really just need to work my way through all the older games in my Steam backlog. Also keep meaning to dust off my copy of Doom.

 

[kapone32]

Just want to point out laptop prices have been constant, can't remember the last time prices have gone up. Meaning I have been paying roughly the same amount for the same tier/class of hardware. So I can't help but think something is wrong when consumer grade components are being sold at prosumer prices because [insert flimsy reasoning here] yet laptop pricing remain static.

You can still build a $500 PC that will do 100% of what you can do on a laptop. These are made for Gaming period in the consumer space. I have a 1200 Watt PSU which means that there is no laptop that can compete with the potential of what I could build.

 

[BSim500]

I really just need to work my way through all the older games in my Steam backlog. Also keep meaning to dust off my copy of Doom.

It's the most common sense thing to do these past 6 months that I'm surprised more people don't see the obvious - If it's become too expensive to chase the newest unoptimised AAA performance turd at 4k, 8k, 65,536k resolution rat-race, then simply play everything else first. By the time that backlog is even half cleared, the mining boom would have ended, thousands of 2nd hand GPU's will be dumped on the market (thus burying the scalpers) and that same "must have" unoptimised performance turd will both be half the price and actually "finished" in terms of an extra +6 months bug fixing too.

 

[bug]

Just want to point out laptop prices have been constant, can't remember the last time prices have gone up. Meaning I have been paying roughly the same amount for the same tier/class of hardware. So I can't help but think something is wrong when consumer grade components are being sold at prosumer prices because [insert flimsy reasoning here] yet laptop pricing remain static.

It may seem that way, but 10 years ago I got a decent laptop for ~€500. Other than its HDD, I could use it today (collecting dust somewhere). Good luck doing that today

 

[kapone32]

It's the most common sense thing to do these past 6 months that I'm surprised more people don't see the obvious - If it's become too expensive to chase the newest unoptimised AAA performance turd at 4k, 8k, 65,536k resolution rat-race, then simply play everything else first. By the time that backlog is even half cleared, the mining boom would have ended, thousands of 2nd hand GPU's will be dumped on the market (thus burying the scalpers) and that same "must have" unoptimised performance turd will both be half the price and actually "finished" in terms of an extra +6 months bug fixing too.

Batman Arkham City is a joy on PC.

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

With prices like this, PC gaming is doing the best advertisement for consoles right now.

Big problem with GPU market is the too much emphasis on high end of the spectrum. Look how long the RX580 has been been the value for dollar GPU that it's been. There has been nearly no innovation value for dollar at the lower mid range of the market for too long.

GTX 1660 Super and 1650 Super were really good value cards

 

[Nuckles56]

SSDs and RAM is still cheap...

Give it a month, there will be a massive natural disaster somewhere or similar that doubles the cost overnight

 

[Caring1]

Which one, PS4 or XBox One

I've still got my PS2 to play on.

 

[lexluthermiester]

GPU makers and their partners REALLY want to sell product... Morons..

 

[InVasMani]

The high end components industry is hurting the PC market as a whole due to supply constraints that it's causing artificially or otherwise.

 

[neatfeatguy]

I've still got my PS2 to play on.

Same here....but I've only got maybe 3 games I can play on it, if it still works. She's been sitting in the original box for the past 15 years or so.

Games I know I have left that will play on it:
ATV Off Road Fury (came with the console and I never played it)
Black
Final Fantasy Tactics (PS1 game I still have)

As for GPUs; I'm still waiting for EVGA to email me that I can buy a 3070 or 3080 off them.....slow sons of guns. It's been almost 5 weeks since I added my email to their "Notify Me" list in hopes of buying one.

 

[bug]

GPU makers and their partners REALLY want to sell product... Morons..

The high end components industry is hurting the PC market as a whole due to supply constraints that it's causing artificially or otherwise.

Take a step back and look at the big picture: there's a worldwide chip crisis. The other day I saw the same thing biting the car industry, too.
Still sucks, but blaming the wrong guys won't do anyone any favors.

 

[TheLostSwede]

As for GPUs; I'm still waiting for EVGA to email me that I can buy a 3070 or 3080 off them.....slow sons of guns. It's been almost 5 weeks since I added my email to their "Notify Me" list in hopes of buying one.

Weird, they have had plenty stock here in the shops. Might be a shipping delay?

 

[neatfeatguy]

Weird, they have had plenty stock here in the shops. Might be a shipping delay?

I don't know....who knows how they run things on their end. It's just a sit and wait thing for me. Checking the website the GPUs in their store all show out of stock and all prices on them have increased by roughly $100 or more, depending on the model.

I put in a Notify Me request on a 3070 and a 3080, I just want one (much rather have the 3070, costs less). I want to say the 3070 was priced at $529 and the 3080 was priced at $729 when I put in the request. The same 3080 is now $800 and the same 3070 is now $600. If these price increases are just from the "tariffs", I'd hate to see what price they'll jump to for the memory price increases that are coming.

I checked the notification spot for my evga account, says no notification has been sent yet, so I keep waiting:

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Read a while back flight crews were short supply seeing they get quarantined for 10 days bouncing country to country.

 

[TheLostSwede]

I don't know....who knows how they run things on their end. It's just a sit and wait thing for me. Checking the website the GPUs in their store all show out of stock and all prices on them have increased by roughly $100 or more, depending on the model.

I put in a Notify Me request on a 3070 and a 3080, I just want one (much rather have the 3070, costs less). I want to say the 3070 was priced at $529 and the 3080 was priced at $729 when I put in the request. The same 3080 is now $800 and the same 3070 is now $600. If these price increases are just from the "tariffs", I'd hate to see what price they'll jump to for the memory price increases that are coming.

I checked the notification spot for my evga account, says no notification has been sent yet, so I keep waiting:
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Seems like the 3080's are all sold out now.
Still some 3070's in stock. Cheapest one is $645 though.

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[INSTG8R]

At this point I’ve accepted the prices I just want actual stock available....

 

[R0H1T]

Give it a month, there will be a massive natural disaster somewhere or similar that doubles the cost overnight

NAND is just going one direction, DRAM is an odd one ~ shoots up to the moon just like BTC every once in a while

 

[kapone32]

Is the spirit of ATI back? I mean it is like how it used to be all of a sudden. Nvidia has access to new technology companies by being in the US and ATI was just a little Canadian outfit that sold GPU chips. it was funny how some reviewers suddenly found the word "rasterization" in their lexicon again. As a result you cannot buy a decently priced 6000 series card. It is just like the 7970 when it launched. Before RDNA AMD could not even produce a chip that could compete with Tahiti but now is a different time and AMD is a different animal. I still feel though that some of that ATI nostalgia is contributing to the price increase as well. I mean there is a new flight simulator from Microsoft.

 

[Nuckles56]

NAND is just going one direction, DRAM is an odd one ~ shoots up to the moon just like BTC every once in a while

Not that there haven't been a couple of times where it looked like that would change though, like the issues with Sammy's fabs and alike

 

[Bitcoin]

Maybe you will feel comforted that Ethereum network is working on switching from PoW to PoS process which means confirming transactions on Ethereum network will not involve mining anymore.

I would like to remind you that Bitcoin is long time past the era of GPU mining and Ethereum as one of the biggest crypto after Bitcoin is mineable on GPU so once they move to PoS situation with graphics cards should improve as much as crypto is concerned.

 

[kapone32]

Maybe you will feel comforted that Ethereum network is working on switching from PoW to PoS process which means confirming transactions on Ethereum network will not involve mining anymore.

I would like to remind you that Bitcoin is long time past the era of GPU mining and Ethereum as one of the biggest crypto after Bitcoin is mineable on GPU so once they move to PoS situation with graphics cards should improve as much as crypto is concerned.

Would it not be safe to say that there would be another mining based app to replace Ehtereum?

 

[Bitcoin]

Would it not be safe to say that there would be another mining based app to replace Ehtereum?

That is possible although when you look at the major projects that rival with Ethereum you will see that they are mostly all PoS type like Cardano or EOS, so Proof of Work which involves mining seems to be hardly popular among new crypto projects.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Maybe you will feel comforted that Ethereum network is working on switching from PoW to PoS process which means confirming transactions on Ethereum network will not involve mining anymore.

I would like to remind you that Bitcoin is long time past the era of GPU mining and Ethereum as one of the biggest crypto after Bitcoin is mineable on GPU so once they move to PoS situation with graphics cards should improve as much as crypto is concerned.

Let's hope they do that VERY soon! This cryptomining induced GPU shortage is pathetic!