Intel Rocket Lake Early Gaming Benchmarks Show Incremental Improvements

[kapone32]

I can't believe some people are touting the 9900K when it is clear that the article is meh about the 11th Gen. It is meh because Ryzen 5000 is faster than Intel 10th and seemingly 11th than everything they (fanboys) liked to shove down AMD's throat. The 5600X is worth every penny and it is not an all right chip but a great chip. You know the CPU test in Firestrike? The 5600x is (@4.7GHZ) 50% faster than a OC 2920X. It doesn't stop there. If you pair a 5600x with a 6000 series GPU prepare to be blown away. Your games will be smooth and buttery that you will feel your journey is complete. If the review (I actually read it) is true....well then it would appear that Intel cannot do what AMD CAN do and offer 20+ % increases in IPC per generation.

 

[1d10t]

I can't believe some people are touting the 9900K when it is clear that the article is meh about the 11th Gen. It is meh because Ryzen 5000 is faster than Intel 10th and seemingly 11th than everything they (fanboys) liked to shove down AMD's throat. The 5600X is worth every penny and it is not an all right chip but a great chip. You know the CPU test in Firestrike? The 5600x is (@4.7GHZ) 50% faster than a OC 2920X. It doesn't stop there. If you pair a 5600x with a 6000 series GPU prepare to be blown away. Your games will be smooth and buttery that you will feel your journey is complete. If the review (I actually read it) is true....well then it would appear that Intel cannot do what AMD CAN do and offer 20+ % increases in IPC per generation.

I also find it quite interesting, people often compare 5000 series with the last 10 gen series and pretend that is the only CPU in existence. Both companies have their own stack of products at least 2 generations down, choose accordingly to your budget and you will not miss a lot of framerates just because you use the previous generation. If you offended that 6 cores cost $ 385, then obviously you are not after performance and that CPU is not for you.

 

[Why_Me]

Zen 3 is an awesome CPU line priced silly if you're a gamer and Intel's 11-th gen will not be worth price premium over today's 10th gen pricing.

5600X costs 330€ atm in Germany. Couple it with a decent budget friendly MB like Gigabyte B550M Pro-P (120€) and you end up with 490€ combo.
On the other hand you can buy 10400F for 130€ couple it with cheapest still decent Z490 MB (so you get unlocked ram speeds) like MSI Z490-A PRO for 140€ and it'll cost you 270€ combined.

Now if we look at gaming benchmarks comparison: 720p = +9% / 1080p = +1.6% / 1440p&4K = inside 1% in Ryzen's favor. Average power consumption during stress test 5600X=134W & 10400F=139W (less than 4% difference)

Is less than 2% more FPS at 1080p worth 80% price premium if you're a gamer? Not in my eyes. I'd be willing to pay 200 bucks for 5600X as you get better CPU overall but that's about it. 220€ is a difference between 3070 and 3080 GPU (if GPU market ever normalizes again). 10400F+3080 (or 6800XT) combo will give you +30% FPS on average than 5600X+3070 for the same money. It's a no brainer if you're building PC primarily for gaming imho.

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Or you could combo that 15 10400F with a B560 board and save even more money.

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/All-series/PRIME-B560-PLUS/ <--- selling for $120 USD atm and supports up to 4600MHz RAM.

 

[RandallFlagg]

For gaming purposes, unless you fork up $1200++ for a new GPU (RTX 3070 current street price), all the new CPUs are fairly useless. Most of the reviews are based on a 3090, which is currently ~$2500USD.

My 2060 KO Ultra that I paid $315 for last June, is going for $600+ on ebay.

I think I would see zero improvement in a 5900X + 2060 vs my 10400 + 2060.

For that reason I think both Intel and AMD are going to have a hard sell on any desktop CPUs this year. Laptop is king now.

 

[londiste]

I think I would see zero improvement in a 5900X + 2060 vs my 10400 + 2060.

I upgraded from i5 8400 to R5 3600X with an RTX 2080 at 1440p. Zero difference for games. Even power consumption remained the same or rose slightly.

 

[RandallFlagg]

I upgraded from i5 8400 to R5 3600X with an RTX 2080 at 1440p. Zero difference for games. Even power consumption remained the same or rose slightly.

Yep, I did quite a bit of research at the time and concluded that anything less than a 2070 Super (abt same as a 2080) would see zero difference. A 2080 Ti was maybe 10% under some ideal situations with a top SKU for the time, like a 10900K at 1080p. That's about like a 3070.

I think those of us watching these cpu/video card "what's best" type of articles or arguing amd vs Intel on desktop are becoming a dying breed due to these prices. There's just no point, for me at least. I'm not spending more than $500 on a GPU, not happening, and that won't buy squat today.

Laptops and iGPUs are becoming a lot more interesting to me. I think a lot of people will just look at these prices and say - whatever, nevermind, I'll just get a laptop.

 

[B-Real]

I upgraded from i5 8400 to R5 3600X with an RTX 2080 at 1440p. Zero difference for games. Even power consumption remained the same or rose slightly.

Nobody will see a performance difference in 1440p? Usually even the actual high-end GPUs show close-to-nothing performance difference in 1440p. Even in FHD you only get (kind of) major upgrades with 1 CPU with the use of a high-end GPU, which is a non-existent scenario in real time use.

Or you could combo that 15 10400F with a B560 board and save even more money.

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/All-series/PRIME-B560-PLUS/ <--- selling for $120 USD atm and supports up to 4600MHz RAM.

Or you can purchase a 3600 with a cheap B450 mobo even cheaper.

 

[Batailleuse]

I agree that the pricing of Ryzen 5000 series isn't great at this point in time. However, I don't think you should look at the cost of the CPU in silo, considering that you will need a good Z490 board to get the most out of the 10600K, while you can make do with a cheaper B550 board for the Ryzen 5000, assuming you will be overclocking them. Even without overclocking, one can buy an A520 board to go with the 5600X with no detrimental effects to performance because RAM overclocking is still enabled on the AMD board, but not so for Intel's boards. I believe Intel relaxed ram overclocking on certain 500 series chipset now.

I oc my 5600x to 4.7ghz all core at 1.28v on a simple mini itx b450 and it's rock stable.

B450 supports 5000 series and is even way cheaper than b550. (paid mine 100$ buts that's for the form factor b450 board in Atx or Matx can be had for like 60$)

No pcie4 that is, but that's not really an issue I'm not gonna pay 50-60$ more for stuff I'm not using.

Its not like you need insane board to run even latest series of amd

 

[Why_Me]

Nobody will see a performance difference in 1440p? Usually even the actual high-end GPUs show close-to-nothing performance difference in 1440p. Even in FHD you only get (kind of) major upgrades with 1 CPU with the use of a high-end GPU, which is a non-existent scenario in real time use.

Or you can purchase a 3600 with a cheap B450 mobo even cheaper.

Its pretty difficult to recommend the 3600 for a gaming build here in the USA. The 3600 cost $200 while the 10400F is retailing for $150.

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007627 601360973 601361317 <--- The new B560 & B510 boards are starting to show up on US sites .. some of those boards coming in below $100.

Intel Core i5-10400F Review - Six Cores with HT for Under $200

Intel's new Core i5-10400F offers a large performance jump over the previous generation Core i5-9400F because of its six-core/twelve-thread design. In this Core i5-10400F review we also test the feasibility of overclocking through BCLK, or by relaxing the PL1 and PL2 Turbo Limits.

www.techpowerup.com

Core i5-10400 and Core i5-10400F Processor Review: Do You Still Like Ryzen 5 3600? – 4You Dialy

 

[nguyen]

I can't believe some people are touting the 9900K when it is clear that the article is meh about the 11th Gen. It is meh because Ryzen 5000 is faster than Intel 10th and seemingly 11th than everything they (fanboys) liked to shove down AMD's throat. The 5600X is worth every penny and it is not an all right chip but a great chip. You know the CPU test in Firestrike? The 5600x is (@4.7GHZ) 50% faster than a OC 2920X. It doesn't stop there. If you pair a 5600x with a 6000 series GPU prepare to be blown away. Your games will be smooth and buttery that you will feel your journey is complete. If the review (I actually read it) is true....well then it would appear that Intel cannot do what AMD CAN do and offer 20+ % increases in IPC per generation.

Yes Ryzen 3 is awesome, no doubt about that. However the "budget" Ryzen 3 part is just terrible value (5600X in particular).
5600X at 360usd from amazon
10700K at 330usd from amazon
a 6-cores CPU that priced higher than similar performing 8-cores CPU is just not a good deal.

You have to take into account that benchmarkers usually benchmark CPU on a clean windows installation with nothing on it, while gamers will have some softwares running in the background (Steam, EGS, Discord, MSI Afterburners, OSD, etc...) that could hurt the frametimes consistency on a CPU with lower cores count.
So yeah, pay more for less is really not my cup of tea. The best Ryzen 3 chip IMHO would be the 5900X that worth every penny and it is better offering than Intel 11th gen, if AMD can produce enough stock that is.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Its pretty difficult to recommend the 3600 for a gaming build here in the USA. The 3600 cost $200 while the 10400F is retailing for $150.

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007627 601360973 601361317 <--- The new B560 & B510 boards are starting to show up on US sites .. some of those boards coming in below $100.

Intel Core i5-10400F Review - Six Cores with HT for Under $200

Intel's new Core i5-10400F offers a large performance jump over the previous generation Core i5-9400F because of its six-core/twelve-thread design. In this Core i5-10400F review we also test the feasibility of overclocking through BCLK, or by relaxing the PL1 and PL2 Turbo Limits.

www.techpowerup.com

Core i5-10400 and Core i5-10400F Processor Review: Do You Still Like Ryzen 5 3600? – 4You Dialy

You know I looked like forever to find a comparison with Comet Lake using a B460 motherboard, and there it is.

It still handily beats all Zen 2 6-core chips in games. There's still that pesky problem of finding a reasonably priced 2080 Ti or 3070 to see a really noticeable difference though.

 

[Batailleuse]

Yes Ryzen 3 is awesome, no doubt about that. However the "budget" Ryzen 3 part is just terrible value (5600X in particular).
5600X at 360usd from amazon
10700K at 330usd from amazon
a 6-cores CPU that priced higher than similar performing 8-cores CPU is just not a good deal.

You have to take into account that benchmarkers usually benchmark CPU on a clean windows installation with nothing on it, while gamers will have some softwares running in the background (Steam, EGS, Discord, MSI Afterburners, OSD, etc...) that could hurt the frametimes consistency on a CPU with lower cores count.
So yeah, pay more for less is really not my cup of tea. The best Ryzen 3 chip IMHO would be the 5900X that worth every penny and it is better offering than Intel 11th gen, if AMD can produce enough stock that is.

Very bad way to compare

For one ryzen 5600x comes with a decent cooler that let it runs its rated boost clocks under 70°c

10700k had none and you need at least a 50$ cooler to make it work as intended or even a 100-200$ AiO (or noctua nh15d) to make it not fry your computer.

So basically add 100 on top of that 10700k

With a 100$ AiO on top of my ryzen 5700x I boosted it to 4.7k all core at stock voltage and the thing basically stand at room temperature when doing office or YouTube and even after 2h gaming or Occt avx heavy test it never went above 45.

Same cooler on a 10700k you can expect double those temperature easy.

Just remind you 5600x might be 6 core but it's also just a 65W cpu the 10700k is what 115 or 125w?

4.7ghz on 5600x just blows away that poor 10700k in absolutely everything and basically Start competing with a 10900k which cost 500$(again not counting cooler)

 

[londiste]

Nobody will see a performance difference in 1440p? Usually even the actual high-end GPUs show close-to-nothing performance difference in 1440p. Even in FHD you only get (kind of) major upgrades with 1 CPU with the use of a high-end GPU, which is a non-existent scenario in real time use.

Or you can purchase a 3600 with a cheap B450 mobo even cheaper.

That was kind of my point. For gaming - as long as you want a pretty picture - CPU is not that much of a bottleneck. If you are competitive gamer running low settings for high FPS, then there is a difference. Other than that 10400F at 130€ is incredible value right now.

By the way, I had a 3600X on a B450 mobo a little after Zen2 came out when things stabilized. I5 8400 was faster and slightly more power efficient for gaming. Again, the same RTX 2080 and 1440p.

For one ryzen 5600x comes with a decent cooler that let it runs its rated boost clocks under 70°c

It is not really decent. To keep 5600X cool under any reasonable load the fan spins at a relatively high RPM. Also, unless you happen to buy a really good mobo the constant up and down due to boosting gets pretty annoying. You still want to buy a separate cooler for 5600X.

 

[INSTG8R]

It is not really decent. To keep 5600X cool under any reasonable load the fan spins at a relatively high RPM. Also, unless you happen to buy a really good mobo the constant up and down due to boosting gets pretty annoying. You still want to buy a separate cooler for 5600X

Yeah shame they don’t use the Wraith Prism my 5600X runs much warmer than my 3700X did but uses a lesser cooler and the 5800X at least here doesn’t even include the cooler at all.

 

[londiste]

Yeah shame they don’t use the Wraith Prism my 5600X runs much warmer than my 3700X did but uses a lesser cooler and the 5800X at least here doesn’t even include the cooler at all.

3700X power limit is 65W, 5600W power limit is 76W.

In big picture the cooler really is not that big of a deal. Wraith Prism is/was a glitch where inbox is halfway decent. In most cases, a 20-25$€ tower cooler will do considerably better job at cooling the CPU than inbox coolers.

 

[INSTG8R]

3700X power limit is 65W, 5600W power limit is 76W.

In big picture the cooler really is not that big of a deal. Wraith Prism is/was a glitch where inbox is halfway decent. In most cases, a 20-25$€ tower cooler will do considerably better job at cooling the CPU than inbox coolers.

Absolutely but the Prism would have been a better choice to pair with 5600X I mean if I was on air I’d definitely be using my Prism over the Stealth it comes with.

 

[nguyen]

Very bad way to compare

For one ryzen 5600x comes with a decent cooler that let it runs its rated boost clocks under 70°c

10700k had none and you need at least a 50$ cooler to make it work as intended or even a 100-200$ AiO (or noctua nh15d) to make it not fry your computer.

So basically add 100 on top of that 10700k

With a 100$ AiO on top of my ryzen 5700x I boosted it to 4.7k all core at stock voltage and the thing basically stand at room temperature when doing office or YouTube and even after 2h gaming or Occt avx heavy test it never went above 45.

Same cooler on a 10700k you can expect double those temperature easy.

Just remind you 5600x might be 6 core but it's also just a 65W cpu the 10700k is what 115 or 125w?

4.7ghz on 5600x just blows away that poor 10700k in absolutely everything and basically Start competing with a 10900k which cost 500$(again not counting cooler)

Aren't you exaggerating much? with a 30usd aftercooler like this ID Cooling SE-224XT, 10700K can run quite comfortably, and I wouldn't call the Wrath Steath a decent cooler, it's just trash.

And power consumption /= operating temp, Intel 10th gen CPU are staying relatively cool because Intel finally use solder TIM and reduced silicon thickness, some info here

5600X maybe beating 10700K by 2-3% in pure benchmarking PC, but not really on a gaming PC with some softwares running on the background (monitoring tools, OSD, Discord, etc...)
Overall 5600X is kinda expensive for a one trick pony, but once 5600X and 5800X prices get slashed by 100usd, they are fantastic CPU (which AMD will do once Intel 11th Gen arrive).

 

[BSim500]

For one ryzen 5600x comes with a decent cooler that let it runs its rated boost clocks under 70°c. 10700k had none and you need at least a 50$ cooler to make it work as intended or even a 100-200$ AiO (or noctua nh15d) to make it not fry your computer. So basically add 100 on top of that 10700k

I wouldn't rely on $100 vs $0 coolers skewing the price difference. I've had a Ryzen cooler that was noisy AF under load and needed replacing anyway for reasons of user sanity, most upgrading self-builders will already have an existing cooler and a cheap 212 EVO costs nowhere near $100. Chips like the i7-10700F whilst they can't be overclocked are even cheaper than the K, work fine on stock cooler, offer +2 more cores that's still faster in games locked vs an OC'd 5600X and the 2933MHz memory cap is close enough that a Z board premium for a 3200MHz RAM OC isn't a big issue for most people for that last 1-2fps.

The real problem is as others have said, AMD's 5000 series are great chips technology but absurdly overpriced in many regions. If I wanted a cheap gaming rig tomorrow, I'd definitely pick a £125 i5-10400F or £240 i7-10700F (8C/16T) + £100 B460 over a £330 5600X + £140 B550 / £80 B450, and even needing a £25 212 EVO cooler or saving another £20 on a B450 vs B460 still doesn't close the gap. Intel do need to step up their game, but current prices of AMD 5000 chips definitely need a significant haircut across the globe as a £330 5600X vs £124 i5-10400F for the sake of +1.6% fps even with locked OC & 2666 RAM is the same pricing territory difference that i7-7700 vs i3-7100 Kaby Lake once was where you were at least buying double the core count that gained a hell of a lot more than just +2% fps in games for 2.5x the CPU price.

 

[kapone32]

Aren't you exaggerating much? with a 30usd aftercooler like this ID Cooling SE-224XT, 10700K can run quite comfortably, and I wouldn't call the Wrath Steath a decent cooler, it's just trash.

And power consumption /= operating temp, Intel 10th gen CPU are staying relatively cool because Intel finally use solder TIM and reduced silicon thickness, some info here

5600X maybe beating 10700K by 2-3% in pure benchmarking PC, but not really on a gaming PC with some softwares running on the background (monitoring tools, OSD, Discord, etc...)
Overall 5600X is kinda expensive for a one trick pony, but once 5600X and 5800X prices get slashed by 100usd, they are fantastic CPU (which AMD will do once Intel 11th Gen arrive).

There is a hardware unboxed video he did just before going on vacation showing that using an AMD CPU with and AMD GPU gave better performance together than with combining them with Intel or Nvidia. What you don't understand about where AMD kills Intel is IPC. When you want to talk about Gaming you should remember that in some Games the 5600x is just as fast as the 5950X. It doesn't matter though as you have shown that even with the things that people hated with AMD when Intel had mindshare (heat, power draw) let's remember that even though Intel loves to tout 5GHZ AMD had the first 5 GHZ retail chip. Of course that was Bulldozer. That concentrated on clock speed just like Sky Lake and what did Ryzen do? Focus on IPC so that if you upgraded from a 1600 to a 2600 you would feel the difference. If you got a 3600 and OC you will forget that the 2600 existed. Then if you sold your 3600 for $200. Paying $250 for a 5600X would feel like the smartest thing you have done in years. The 5600X is the 3300x and better as it has more cores, the thing is can you buy one?

When you talk about programs. I regularly have Steam, GOG, Youtube, DAZN, several monitoring programs, RGB software, HWInfo and sometimes i let AMD record my desktop. I have not seen anything that brings this chip to it's knees. 85 FPS in the Firestrike CPU test is not a joke.

The price is not AMD's fault. If they had priced the 5600X in the same range as the 3600 and 2600 (especially the X parts) it would have killed their market. The fact that the pandemic has put serious pressure on some industries is also contributory to this price. The thing is we became accustomed to tick tock but with AMD's it's like a mic drop when they release their chips. If the 6000 series CPUs have 29% better IPC than the 5000 and 11th Gen is 2-3% faster than 10th Gen AMD does not have to do anything other than slash the prices of it's previous chips. We have to face it you cannot put value with AMD anymore as even though their offerings were so much more value than the competitors mindshare has made it seem like we are somehow getting hosed because AMD is putting some value to it's technology.

We probably won't see value in the 5000x series until close to the launch of the next Gen chip. What I will predict is that we will probably see the launch of the non x 5000 chips soon after 11th Gen and when the 4000 series APUs come up for sale they will be like Mcdonald's hotcakes in the 80s.

Yep, I did quite a bit of research at the time and concluded that anything less than a 2070 Super (abt same as a 2080) would see zero difference. A 2080 Ti was maybe 10% under some ideal situations with a top SKU for the time, like a 10900K at 1080p. That's about like a 3070.

I think those of us watching these cpu/video card "what's best" type of articles or arguing amd vs Intel on desktop are becoming a dying breed due to these prices. There's just no point, for me at least. I'm not spending more than $500 on a GPU, not happening, and that won't buy squat today.

Laptops and iGPUs are becoming a lot more interesting to me. I think a lot of people will just look at these prices and say - whatever, nevermind, I'll just get a laptop.

I can attest to that I don't see the 5600X improvement until I paired it with a 6800XT vs a Vega 64.

 

[Midland Dog]

Can you do better, why don't you make your own CPU? Genius.

id love to get sued for making an x86 cpu without the license