Yeah discontinued sure but still manufactured at TSMC if I recall correctly. The wafer capacities are limited so if you consider throwing 12nm chips for TSMC (a large chunk of the capacity for sure considering how many cards miners need) to manufacture, there has to be a lower production of chips for other markets. It won't be workstation cards for sure due to profits so gaming it is. Also, as I recall, NV is moving for TSMC in 2021 with Ampere or has that been dropped? If it hasn't been dropped, then yeah, the NV cards will suffer. If it has been dropped then it will definitely impact AMDs chips.
There is also second hand GPUs market that this mining card impact. Absolutely no use of these cards for gamers down the line.
I won't call anyone a shill or whatever. Either Dave2D or Linus or any other youtuber. Maybe Linus is a shill to you and others but either way I side with Linus on this one.
We will see how things develop. It is also weird, when mining cards are being considered gaming cards in the quarterly reports.
huh? you sound very confused. You can't substitute TSMC 12nm wafers for Samsung 8nm wafers or vice versa, it's not how that works.
Nvidia is restarting their old Turing production line over at TSMC to make these CMP, it definitely does not affecting Ampere production line over at Samsung. Chip manufacturers don't share their factories you know
, not to mention TSMC is Taiwan based and Samsung is S. Korea based.
You know which products are produced at the same factory though? RDNA1 and RDNA2 GPU, and AMD will be reducing their RDNA2 capacity to make RDNA1 CMP, which is more profitable to AMD because of its smaller size.
They are, at best, a supplemental thing which certainly will not help with supply shortages for consumer GPUs. It's not like miners will get a few of those and say "okay, that's enough, I only needed this amount of hashrate". No, miners will get anything and everything which can potentially generate income. They will get the HX if it makes sense, but it will not decrease the number of consumer cards they will buy. It's about more income for the manufacturer, not about more cards for gamers.
Those cards will also end up on a landfill as soon as they are not viable for cryptocurrencies, even if otherwise fully functional. I'm not really an eco-terrorist type, but this is stupid wastefulness.
If miners can sell their used GPU for good amount of money, they will just use the money to gobble up new GPU anyways. I don't feel like buying used goods for 1/2 the price 2 years after launch without any warranty that can break at any moment because I can't afford inflated new GPU, do you?
Less money going to miners --> less total GPU demand --> less e-waste.
Yes Nvidia will probably make less money by alienating miners, but Nvidia cash flow will be much more stable down the line with gamers as their primary customers. With every boom there is a bust, and Nvidia probably learned its lesson
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