NVIDIA RTX 3060 Hashrate Limiter Defeated, GeForce 470.05 Driver Unlocks Full Mining Performance

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I fully support the reversal of the decision to artificially limit mining performance. The limit never made sense in the first place.

GPUs have stopped being graphics accelerators over a decade ago, they are massively parallel computing devices and must continue to perform this way.

And neither NVIDIA, nor AMD can control where their GPUs go. Period. Whoever believes this is possible should go and make this possible.

Of course AMD fans, again AMD fans, will rejoice and slander NVIDIA as always. It's not as if AMD really sells any high-end GPUs but who cares? NVIDIA is bad!

Fanboys are among the worst people in this world.

Hmnnn defence posture Z = ?.


Totes ball's ,defeated by incompetence, though the pr speak will no doubt paint it asss good for gamer's.

 

[CandymanGR]

You're acting as if I priced those GPUs at 600. Read the above, my last ninja-edit.

Wrong again. I act like that because you more or less justify those prices as normal, because after all gaming is a.. luxury!

Oh and BTW... the C64 and Atari were consoles. Definitely not PCs with dedicated GPUs as they are in this discussion.

Haha.. What.. are .. you .. talking.. about?
PC=Personal Computer. C64 and Atari ST were computers, they even had mouse and Graphical OS. Dedicated gpus? They had Video chips (C64 had the VIC II) and I start to think you dont know much.
Also, WHO TOLD YOU PC's were always have had discreet GPUs? Have you ever heard of CGA? Tandy? Those in the first PC's were sometimes (*edited) integrated to the board.

 

[Vayra86]

Wrong again. I act like that because you more or less justify those prices as normal, because after all gaming is a.. luxury!



Haha.. What.. are .. you .. talking.. about?
PC=Personal Computer. C64 and Atari ST were computers, they even had mouse and Graphical OS. Dedicated gpus? They had Video chips (C64 had the VIC II) and I start to think you dont know much.

Key word: dedicated GPU. That's what the discussion is about. And what you can do with them - which was why I referred to C64 etc as consoles more so than a PC that you can upgrade. If the C64 wasn't entry level gaming I don't know what is.

If you want to argue semantics like that you can do it alone.

 

[medi01]

So "it's not only in drivers" right?
Or I guess it was, what a "shocker"...

 

[CandymanGR]

Key word: dedicated GPU. That's what the discussion is about. And what you can do with them - which was why I referred to C64 etc as consoles more so than a PC that you can upgrade. If the C64 wasn't entry level gaming I don't know what is.

If you want to argue semantics like that you can do it alone.

C64 was the BEST gaming machine of its era. It wasn't... entry level. No other 8bit had the abilities of the C64. Not the CPC's and certainly not the ZX. And even the BBC was close but it was worse. And thats that.

Now the dedicated gpu is something that happened through the years as evolution. So stop using it as an example. You are wrong in EVERYTHING you said. At least accept it.
The point that gaming is a luxury is the most stupid thing i have heard. You confuse the words "luxury", with "expensive" and "overpriced". And to avoid this, you are accusing me of arguing about semantics. Great.

 

[Vayra86]

C64 was the BEST gaming machine of its era. It wasn't... entry level. No other 8bit had the abilities of the C64. Not the CPC's and certainly not the ZX. And even the BBC was close but it was worse. And thats that.

Now the dedicated gpu is something that happened through the years as evolution. So stop using it as an example. You are wrong in EVERYTHING you said. At least accept it.
The point that gaming is a luxury is the most stupid thing i have heard. You confuse the words "luxury", with "expensive" and "overpriced".

And you confuse inflation with 'I paid $180 bucks in 'todays money'. That means in yesterdays money, that was a pricy machine.... I'm not so sure you're making the right comparisons with that example to make your point... Especially because back then, there was no hierarchy in GPUs at all, and competition plus technology was early adoption.

We're now talking about a market with radically different devices, 30-40 years ahead in time. If you just want to find the argument, you'll always find it.... If you want to say I'm wrong in everything, knock yourself out... But a reality check seems in order... plus... I even literally said to you: I feel much the same as you about the current situation - but its not the norm.

 

[CandymanGR]

And you confuse inflation with 'I paid $180 bucks in 'todays money'. That means in yesterdays money, that was a pricy machine.... I'm not so sure you're making the right comparisons with that example to make your point... Especially because back then, there was no hierarchy in GPUs at all, and competition plus technology was early adoption.

Pricey doesnt mean expensive. That's why we have different words to describe the level of overprice (pricey, expensive, overpriced).
Pricey maybe. EXPENSIVE no. The IBM PC was expensive back then, costing about 10 times the cost of C64.
I refer to the price because i had too. Everything was expensive in 1985 if you want to take it there. Even a color CRT tv. But it was expensive for us Greeks. For the average American, it wasnt. Stop using the inflation as an excuse, it is not. Back then the economy wasn't as unified as now, and there were import taxes everywhere. If anything else, back then costs were higher. There were many reasons to bring the price of a product higher, especially back then which for example C64 was mostly made in USA. Thats why it is even worse today to pay overpriced prices.

We're now talking about a market with radically different devices, 30-40 years ahead in time. If you just want to find the argument, you'll always find it.... If you want to say I'm wrong in everything, knock yourself out... But a reality check seems in order... plus... I even literally said to you: I feel much the same as you about the current situation - but its not the norm.

My card bought at launch at 336 euros. Two years later the cost was higher because of mining. Then it droped at 250 for 1-1 year and a half. New generation came (RTX 2xxx) and now the same thing started with them, and is happening again, and actually it is even worse.
It is impressive how sure you are that it is not the new norm with the cryptocurrencies! I wonder who really needs the reality check here.

 

[Vayra86]

Pricey doesnt mean expensive. That's why we have different words to describe the level of overprice (pricey, expensive, overpriced).
Pricey maybe. EXPENSIVE no. The IBM PC was expensive back then, costing about 10 times the cost of C64.
I refer to the price because i had too. Everything was expensive in 1985 if you want to take it there. Even a color CRT tv. But it was expensive for us Greeks. For the average American, it wasnt. Stop using the inflation as an excuse, it is not. Back then the economy wasn't as unified as now, and there were import taxes everywhere. If anything else, back then costs were higher. There were many reasons to bring the price of a product higher, especially back then which for example C64 was mostly made in USA. Thats why it is even worse today to pay overpriced prices.

Interesting view on the matter because I obviously didn't live in Greece at the time, but in the Netherlands. But I do know from my young years (34 now, born '86) that electronics were most definitely luxury items and had only just gone 'mainstream' for example for a color TV. Maybe a disconnect we also have in conversation is the definition of luxury. In my book that is everything you don't need and can't make yourself. Base necessities, the rest is luxury.

But let's put that vision of the past next to the current state of things.
- We have a pandemic
- We have trade wars that are only just now starting to cool down - or... some people hope they do, actually. Realistically though it seems the US is going to maintain some sort of weight against China.
- We have crypto.

Is this situation that different? Or is just that we've lost touch with general disappointment in life about systems not doing what they're supposed to do.

And with that perspective I also feel this is temporary. We've either gone addicted to peace... and this will recover... or we're so fed up we start shooting and gaming truly is luxury

 

[CandymanGR]

Interesting view on the matter because I obviously didn't live in Greece at the time, but in the Netherlands. But I do know from my young years (34 now, born '86) that electronics were most definitely luxury items and had only just gone 'mainstream' for example for a color TV. Maybe a disconnect we also have in conversation is the definition of luxury. In my book that is everything you don't need and can't make yourself. Base necessities, the rest is luxury.

But let's put that vision of the past next to the current state of things.
- We have a pandemic
- We have trade wars that are only just now starting to cool down - or... some people hope they do, actually. Realistically though it seems the US is going to maintain some sort of weight against China.
- We have crypto.

Is this situation that different? Or is just that we've lost touch with general disappointment in life about systems not doing what they're supposed to do.

And with that perspective I also feel this is temporary. We've either gone addicted to peace... and this will recover... or we're so fed up we start shooting and gaming truly is luxury

Borned 1975. 46 years old. Just for the shake of the conversation.
Maybe we understand the word luxury different. For me luxury is something you might need (not necessary), but it is on a overstated level you DONT really need.
I will give you a crude example: Not everyone needs a car. It is NOT necessary. But it is essential in the world we live today. But a... golden car is a luxury (i exaggerate the example, to emphasize what i mean). Something like this.

 

[Deleted member 205776]

All GPUs are golden nowadays...

 

[proxuser]

austrian scalpers sells it for 800 and it cost 629 on local store in vienna. there are at least 15 i have seen from gigabyte. just funny some people.

 

[Deleted member 205776]

austrian scalpers sells it for 800 and it cost 629 on local store in vienna. there are at least 15 i have seen from gigabyte. just funny some people.

Can confirm lol

 

[DonKnotts]

people are sore out of luck for a GPU upgrade for a few months?

That's funny, all I've been reading is that this "bubble" is probably going to last for around a year to two years before it finally f*cks off and we can finally hope for things to get back to something close to normal again. It's been more than a few months already, and shows absolutely no signs of ending any time soon, so I'm curious about where you're getting your timeline of a few months.

 

[RedelZaVedno]

$399/479 MSRP price take on mainstream xx60 class GPU makes it a luxury product when you can buy digital PS5/XboX X for the same price. Lower mid range GPUs used to cost 1/2 to 2/3 the price of a gaming console and were faster or at least on pair with consoles. Not anymore.

 

[R-T-B]

I think they saw, that their 3060 doesn't sell well, not only to miners, but gamers, it's a sad excuse for an "upgrade" this day and age.

lol it's literally sold out. Put the GTX 1080 back on the market for the right price and it'll sell at this point.

 

[Space Lynx]

The way you are meant to be played.

Love this x10.

 

[R-T-B]

Looks like the drivers have been pulled, I'm there ATM and the latest shown is ver 461.72.

They are insider drivers. Not pulled, but not on the nvidia website either.

 

[CandymanGR]

$399/479 MSRP price take on mainstream xx60 class GPU makes it a luxury product when you can buy digital PS5/XboX X for the same price. Lower mid range GPUs used to cost 1/2 to 2/3 the price of a gaming console and were faster or at least on pair with consoles. Not anymore.

I could argue that this is market manipulation and eventually amd and nvidia are going to be responsible for breaching the antitrust laws. But that's just me.

 

[evernessince]

Indeed, with AMD drip feeding the market with tiny volumes of cards, they need not bother.

At the start that was true (same as Nvidia) but stock trackers show AMD has picked up the pace over the 2 1/2 weeks.

LOL, this is basically a "We care about miners" driver ... So now miners will be able to choose between CMPs and RTX cards, while gamers will be left with overpriced leftovers.

That was the point all along. By making mining cards Nvidia was guarantying a minimum amount to be dedicated to mining. It was never intended to help gamers. On top of that, those cards will be useless to gamers, zero resale value. It's a win-win-win for nvidia. They pretend to care about gamers, miners get a guaranteed amount of cards, and they reduce pesky 2nd hand cards that will surely hit the market once mining cools off again. With less 2nd hand gaming cards on the market people are forced to buy more full price GPUs. Even at MSRP, Nvidia's GPUs are not good value.

 

[xorbe]

According to reddit posts, it only mines full speed in a primary slot, only 1 mines full speed per system, and doesn't mine full speed if using a riser.

 

[BSim500]

pc gaming has been a luxury for, what seems like, forever. Us/We Real Gamers have known that since 1974 ( just an arbitrary year ).

That's actually not far off where it all started. The oldest PC game on GOG is Akalabeth (1979) - essentially "Utima 0". The oldest PC game I own is Colossal Cave Adventure (1976), a reference to which can be found in Kentucky Route Zero & Thimbleweed Park.

Oh and BTW... the C64 and Atari were consoles. Definitely not PCs with dedicated GPUs as they are in this discussion.

Atari / C64 / VIC20 / ZX Spectrum / BBC-Acorn Micro, etc, were all regarded as Micro-Computers. There was definitely a big difference between those vs the much more limited function "consoles" even going all the way back to the Magnavox Odyssey.

 

[Renald]

Interesting view on the matter because I obviously didn't live in Greece at the time, but in the Netherlands. But I do know from my young years (34 now, born '86) that electronics were most definitely luxury items and had only just gone 'mainstream' for example for a color TV. Maybe a disconnect we also have in conversation is the definition of luxury. In my book that is everything you don't need and can't make yourself. Base necessities, the rest is luxury.

But let's put that vision of the past next to the current state of things.
- We have a pandemic
- We have trade wars that are only just now starting to cool down - or... some people hope they do, actually. Realistically though it seems the US is going to maintain some sort of weight against China.
- We have crypto.

Is this situation that different? Or is just that we've lost touch with general disappointment in life about systems not doing what they're supposed to do.

And with that perspective I also feel this is temporary. We've either gone addicted to peace... and this will recover... or we're so fed up we start shooting and gaming truly is luxury

Let's take a step and look at people who actually studied what is "luxury" like Maslow in a certain way :

(this doesn't cover the whole subject at all)

Even if our physiological needs are fulfilled, we cannot say the same for the safety needs due to pandemic : personal security isn't guaranteed, unemployment is at our door, some resources (not taking electronics into account) are missing, health is threatened every day ...
Only the top of the pyramid is luxury, no the rest even if in our mind it's like "Isn't that so hard to live in a dictatorship ?Nahhh"


My point is : we were quite a the top of this hierarchy before 2020. You couldn't play your favorite game ? Not that bad because you could travel, be somewhere else, see your friends, family, work on yourself, whatever. We were "the most we could be". So reaching for more lower tier desire was luxury at the time.
Now you're freaking stuck on our safety needs. Videogames comes with connecting with people and a bit of freedom for others. It's a bubble of fresh air, not only a luxury.

If we're so pissed, it's not because Nvidia is screwing us (they always do) like never before, but mostly because we are in desperate need of an escape.
We aren't all a big rich and happy family, with 2 kids and a dog, with a house and a garden. We all have our shitty lives going on, and cutting this is putting everyone on edge.

This is a long term situation, which will continue until the end of the Covid pandemic so people can travel and do something else. So let's say ... 2 more years ? because people are stupid and will break any curfew.
Edit : I do not criticize your post, just complement it. I agree about the "when the pandemic will be over", even if I don't see that coming any time soon.

 

[Deleted member 205776]

How did we get here from a thread about NVIDIA loosening the panties they had in a knot?

 

[Fouquin]

Perhaps. But let's rewind.... early PC GPUs weren't cheap. What came after that, wasn't cheap.

That's actually not true at all. GUI accelerators for AT compatibles weren't much more than $300 for the home consumer markets. More expensive accelerators existed, obviously, and between 1992 and 1994 there were some very expensive 3D accelerators using OpenGL (then still under the distribution of SGI) but entry cost, capable 3D accelerators existed and then thrived after 1996. Voodoo was $150 (Only $251 in 2021 dollars), Voodoo 2 raised that to $249 and $299 depending on model, still only just cracking $500 in 2021 dollars. Those were flagship 3D accelerators of their day for less than $500. A wide range of workstation oriented accelerators existed at the same time for exuberant prices, but that's no different than today. What is different is that a mid-tier consumer card currently costs more than almost any flagship consumer card in the last 25 years, even adjusted for inflation. Even the legendary flagship 8800 Ultra with its astonishing $830 MSRP in 2007 ($1,052 today) is falling far short of the selling price of an RTX 3060 Ti; 4 steps down from flagship.

 

[damric]

Nice job! nvidia! I am going to sell my PC and buy PS5!

Well they mine in laptops now, so what's to stop them from mining on consoles soon?