AMD Ryzen 7 5700G and Ryzen 5 5600G "Zen 3" Cezanne Desktop Processors Benched

[TumbleGeorge]

How is the failure rate of that packaging any different to the failure rate of packaging a larger monolithic die anyway? You're introducing a constant that applies to both big monolithic and small MCM products alike; It's not relevant.


Not theoretical bullshit, caculated using one of many similar, industry-standard tools; More of the wafer on the right is white, orange or magenta. Less of it is green.

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Above is Zen2 8C/16T vs Renoir 8C/16T. AMD actually get more than twice as many Zen2 chiplets for the same money. Even ignoring the exponents, the sheer die area increase alone is enough to cause significant cost increases of the end product. AMD pay TSMC the same per wafer and the same to run that wafer through the fab no matter what product they etch into that wafer. Put yourself in AMD's shoes and ask yourself if you want to sell 780 products per wafer at $450 each or 322 products per wafer at $470 each? It's okay, I'll wait....

Hmm what wafer process price - 7nm euv or cheaper ordinary 7nm which is deal between AMD and TSMC?

 

[Colddecked]

Why does Userbenchmark always trigger people?
Controversy is about their Effective speed number and weights of benchmark results with different core counts they use to calculate that. So their rankings and Effective speed stuff is crap.
Benchmark results themselves are fine. They give a pretty good indication of different performance aspects - of a CPU in this case. In a tech-minded community like TPU looking at those should be OK.

5700G gets about the same single-core perf as 5800X, better results from 4-core (4%) and 8-core (+12%) but again 5% slower in 64-core test. The last part is probably TDP and power limit showing up.
For some reason 5700G seems to lag behind 5800X in memory latency though. Interesting.

Because they are blatantly biased and untrustworthy. Can you really trust their benchmarks?

 

[londiste]

Because they are blatantly biased and untrustworthy. Can you really trust their benchmarks?

For one thing, their benchmarks have not really changed during this entire controversy

 

[Colddecked]

For one thing, their benchmarks have not really changed during this entire controversy

I mean, you can't be totally sure of that. Plus you can't be sure they won't change something in the future.

I get your point, but they're sooooo biased that its hard to seriously consider anything that has their brand on it as trustworthy. And I would rather promote sources that are transparent and unbiased.

 

[HD64G]

How is the failure rate of that packaging any different to the failure rate of packaging a larger monolithic die anyway? You're introducing a constant that applies to both big monolithic and small MCM products alike; It's not relevant.


Not theoretical bullshit, caculated using one of many similar, industry-standard tools; More of the wafer on the right is white, orange or magenta. Less of it is green.

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Above is Zen2 8C/16T vs Renoir 8C/16T. AMD actually get more than twice as many Zen2 chiplets for the same money. Even ignoring the exponents, the sheer die area increase alone is enough to cause significant cost increases of the end product. AMD pay TSMC the same per wafer and the same to run that wafer through the fab no matter what product they etch into that wafer. Put yourself in AMD's shoes and ask yourself if you want to sell 780 products per wafer at $450 each or 322 products per wafer at $470 each? It's okay, I'll wait....

You again ignore the IO die on the CPUs and the increased transferring and packaging cost that is affected from that.

 

[Tomorrow]

Why on earth do people come up with these crazy ideas?
What makes you think it will be $350? The 5600G might be $350 because that's only $50 more than the 5600X.

Because 4750G was around 300. Even if 5700G costs 50 more it will still be cheaper trhan 5800X like 4750G was cheaper than both 3700X and 3800X.
Not to mention that unlike 5800X the 5700G will not be sold in retail until later this year. At that point 5800X may very well recieve a price cut even.

Also it's likely that 5700G will be slower than 5800X due to having less cache and limited to PCIe 3.0. So if it turns out to be slower why on earth would it cost 450+ ?
Also 4750G was slower than 3800X in games (i ran and compared both) despite having lower latency and better IF speeds. Thats due to the smaller cache. Games really love big caches.

 

[Chrispy_]

Because 4750G was around 300. Even if 5700G costs 50 more it will still be cheaper trhan 5800X like 4750G was cheaper than both 3700X and 3800X.
Not to mention that unlike 5800X the 5700G will not be sold in retail until later this year. At that point 5800X may very well recieve a price cut even.

Also it's likely that 5700G will be slower than 5800X due to having less cache and limited to PCIe 3.0. So if it turns out to be slower why on earth would it cost 450+ ?
Also 4750G was slower than 3800X in games (i ran and compared both) despite having lower latency and better IF speeds. Thats due to the smaller cache. Games really love big caches.

You're comparing the 4750G at $300 with the 3700X which, at the 4750G's launch date, was selling for $260-275 according to two different independent price histories:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QKJtt6/amd-ryzen-7-3700x-36-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100000071box?history_days=730

https://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B07SXMZLPK?context=search

Also, the $300 value of the 4750G is tray only, no warranty with AMD, only the grey-market seller you bought it from and you didn't get a cooler with it. Price trackers don't even have the 4750G in their database because there weren't enough samples sold to even make them show on the radar. They do have the 3650G which was a 6C/12T part for $300-360 though, which makes me very dubious about your claim of $300 for the 4750G. Is that $300 a used part bought off ebay?

4750G - grey market value of at least $440, but selling for up to $550:​

4750G | eBay

Find great deals on eBay for 4750G. Shop with confidence.

www.ebay.com

 

[Tomorrow]

You're comparing the 4750G at $300 with the 3700X which, at the 4750G's launch date, was selling for $260-275 according to two different independent price histories:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QKJtt6/amd-ryzen-7-3700x-36-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100000071box?history_days=730

https://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B07SXMZLPK?context=search

Also, the $300 value of the 4750G is tray only, no warranty with AMD, only the grey-market seller you bought it from and you didn't get a cooler with it. Price trackers don't even have the 4750G in their database because there weren't enough samples sold to even make them show on the radar. They do have the 3650G which was a 6C/12T part for $300-360 though, which makes me very dubious about your claim of $300 for the 4750G. Is that $300 a used part bought off ebay?

4750G - grey market value of at least $440, but selling for up to $550:​

4750G | eBay

Find great deals on eBay for 4750G. Shop with confidence.

www.ebay.com

Well in my country the 3700X was selling for 325€ at the time (or it could have been 3800X). 4750G cost me 310€. And no. It was not used. Brand new and it was the biggest local hardware store we have. I even have the PDF proving it. Cooler was included too. I already had 3800X and i took 4750G for testing. Then resold it for 250€ to a friend who needed it.

And my local retailer was selling dozens of them. 4650G and 4350G too. Infact i can still buy 4650G or 4750G if i wanted to for 220€ for 4650G (unknown how many in stock) and 320€ for 4750G (17+ pieces in stock): https://arvutitark.ee/est/tootekata...-Socket-AM4-protsessorid-AMD-Ryzen-PRO/530913

Attached are pictures i took. It came in a brown cardboard box that included the cooler. The plastic holding the CPU and the sticker was taped to the side of the box.

 

[HD64G]

 

[AusWolf]

It would have been nice to see some dGPU gaming tests and comparisons. Based on CPU benchmarks here, I'm definitely waiting for the desktop DIY release.

 

[Chrispy_]

Well in my country the 3700X was selling for 325€ at the time (or it could have been 3800X). 4750G cost me 310€. And no. It was not used. Brand new and it was the biggest local hardware store we have. I even have the PDF proving it. Cooler was included too. I already had 3800X and i took 4750G for testing. Then resold it for 250€ to a friend who needed it.

And my local retailer was selling dozens of them. 4650G and 4350G too. Infact i can still buy 4650G or 4750G if i wanted to for 220€ for 4650G (unknown how many in stock) and 320€ for 4750G (17+ pieces in stock): https://arvutitark.ee/est/tootekata...-Socket-AM4-protsessorid-AMD-Ryzen-PRO/530913

Attached are pictures i took. It came in a brown cardboard box that included the cooler. The plastic holding the CPU and the sticker was taped to the side of the box.

Fair enough, you found a retailer selling OEM stuff at a sensible price. I can assure you that wasn't common worldwide but it must have been nice to get such a desirable chip for that price.

Most of us who wanted one were left hanging.