Microsoft Announces New Event to Showcase "What's Next for Windows"

[trparky]

I'm sure Windows licensing is a decreasing slice of Microsoft's revenue pie, but I highly doubt it's a small enough number that they would consider jeopardizing it in this way.

Considering that many of us got Windows 10 for free by upgrading from an earlier paid-for version of either Windows 7 or 8.x and the fact that Microsoft is still accepting older Windows 7 and 8.x license keys to install Windows 10 (at least, unofficially), I highly doubt that Microsoft is making much money on retail Windows at all. Most of Microsoft's operating cash flow comes from subscription services like Microsoft Azure, Microsoft Office 365, OneDrive, XBox Gold, Windows Server, Microsoft SQL, and other such subscription services. Retail Windows is very much like a single drop of rain falling in the Pacific ocean.

 

[timta2]

They had to schedule it after the WWDC for a good reason.

 

[Lycanwolfen]

Well I bet you it will be Windows 365 and youll have to pay monthly to use it. Once they do that I will never use it period. I'm pretty happy with my Linux builds now as a server and desktop OS. I have one guy sorta working in my office thats been taking over everything at our company and well he is a Microsoft lover to death. I swear is MS told him to bark like a dog he would. I on the other hand I have used all OS's, Unix, Linux, Mac which is a sorta Unix and all versions of windows. I not too fond of Microsoft these days. The way they are forcing there new Edge which is based of chromium which is a google product is getting out of hand. Its the same forcing to the customer that got them in trouble last time. I have seen edge reenable things I have turned off and Uninstall apps they feel are not in their best interests. I have fined tuned my Windows 10 with no cortana, No Telemetry tracking no Store no MS account for sure.

 

[Minus Infinity]

Here's to hoping that future updates aren't going to be guessing game as to if your system will be borked by an update.

Funnily I've never had an update that broken anything. I'll guarantee the vast mjority have no issues either but there are an infinite number of hardware config for Microsoft to deal with as well as relying on other companies to update their own drivers. You'll never get no issues. Win 10 has been far more stable for me than Win 7 ever was and that was a huge improvement over XP.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I for one, have been happy with an operating system that gets support over many years. If something works, don't try to fix it.

Also:
Windows 95: meh
Windows 98: good
Windows ME: meh
Windows XP: good
Windows Vista: meh
Windows 7: good
Windows 8: you can't pay me enough to use it
Windows 10: not bad
Windows ?: ...

If I may borrow your format... I have a slightly different take;

Windows 95 RTM: Groundbreaking and OK
Windows 95 SR2: Good
Windows 98 RTM: Good
Windows 98 SE: Very Good
Windows ME: Misunderstood but still Very Good
Windows XP RTM: Flawed but Good
Windows XP SP1: Improved but still flawed.
Windows XP SP2: Great
Windows XP SP3: Excellent
Windows Vista RTM: Deeply flawed and slow performance
Windows Vista SP1: Much improved and Good
Windows Vista SP2: Further improved and Great
Windows 7 RTM: Great
Windows 7 SP1: Excellent
Windows 8 RTM: Steaming Crap
Windows 8.1: Refined dried out crap
Windows 10: Polished crap
Windows ?: ...

We will see what the devs at MS have to offer. I have this sinking feeling that it will not be good, but I'm trying to stay optimistic... not holding my breath though...

Here's to hoping that future updates aren't going to be guessing game as to if your system will be borked by an update.

Another thing we shouldn't be holding our breath on..

 

[trparky]

The way they are forcing there new Edge which is based of chromium which is a google product is getting out of hand.

And yet Microsoft is contributing a lot to Google Chrome and is improving it greatly. In fact, the biggest and probably the best improvement that's probably going to be showing up in Google Chrome soon is improved font rendering on Windows. Any Chrome user will know that font rendering is rather blurry in Google Chrome as versus the old Edge and Mozilla Firefox. Starting with Microsoft Edge version 92 and probably soon to come to a Chrome version near you, font rendering in Chrome will be obeying Windows ClearType which will make reading text so much easier on the eyes. They've also contributed many performance improvement changes to Chrome as well that's resulted in Chrome using less system RAM and less CPU as well.

Suffice it to say, Microsoft is embracing open source and in a big way. I, myself, switched to using Microsoft (Chrome) Edge a number of months ago and have never looked back.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

And yet Microsoft is contributing a lot to Google Chrome and is improving it greatly. In fact, the biggest and probably the best improvement that's probably going to be showing up in Google Chrome soon is improved font rendering on Windows. Any Chrome user will know that font rendering is rather blurry in Google Chrome as versus the old Edge and Mozilla Firefox. Starting with Microsoft Edge version 92 and probably soon to come to a Chrome version near you, font rendering in Chrome will be obeying Windows ClearType which will make reading text so much easier on the eyes. They've also contributed many performance improvement changes to Chrome as well that's resulted in Chrome using less system RAM and less CPU as well.

Suffice it to say, Microsoft is embracing open source and in a big way. I, myself, switched to using Microsoft (Chrome) Edge a number of months ago and have never looked back.

Infiltrate from within then take over the host. A theory of operation that both parasites and microsoft embrace.

 

[mechtech]

I for one, have been happy with an operating system that gets support over many years. If something works, don't try to fix it.

Also:
Windows 95: meh
Windows 98: good
Windows ME: meh
Windows XP: good
Windows Vista: meh
Windows 7: good
Windows 8: you can't pay me enough to use it
Windows 10: not bad
Windows ?: ...

You forgot win 2k pro!!! also excellent

 

[The red spirit]

Funnily I've never had an update that broken anything. I'll guarantee the vast mjority have no issues either but there are an infinite number of hardware config for Microsoft to deal with as well as relying on other companies to update their own drivers. You'll never get no issues. Win 10 has been far more stable for me than Win 7 ever was and that was a huge improvement over XP.

For me Windows Update literally broke whole Windows and it wasn't recoverable.

 

[johnp]

Microsoft provided Xenix (UNIX) in the past.

Xenix - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I think it would be amazing if they provided a standalone Linux distribution, but I do not know whether it will ever happen.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I think it would be amazing if they provided a standalone Linux distribution, but I do not know whether it will ever happen.

Why would that be "amazing"?

 

[Caring1]

Microsoft provided Xenix (UNIX) in the past.

Xenix - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I think it would be amazing if they provided a standalone Linux distribution, but I do not know whether it will ever happen.

Similar to Intel's Clear Linux?

 

[Prima.Vera]

I for one, have been happy with an operating system that gets support over many years. If something works, don't try to fix it.

Also:
Windows 95: meh
Windows 98: good
Windows ME: meh
Windows XP: good
Windows Vista: meh
Windows 7: good
Windows 8: you can't pay me enough to use it
Windows 10: not bad
Windows ?: ...

Win95 meh?? Bro, Win95 is the foundation for all existing MS operating systems, including Win10.
You should put Win 3 vs Win 3.11, that was also a big difference.

 

[lexluthermiester]

You should put Win 3 vs Win 3.11, that was also a big difference.

I can't agree with that. Win3.x was excellent for it's time, but Win95 was huge leap forward in both functionality and usability. 95 ushered in the age of modern home computing. It succeeded where Apple and IBM failed. To call Windows 3.x "great" is a fair statement. To call it better than Windows 95 is not..

 

[trparky]

95 ushered in the age of modern home computing.

I'd have to say that Windows XP did that. Windows XP brought a modern kernel to the average home user whereas the old 9x kernel was quite frankly a piece of shit that blue screened if you looked at it cross-eyed. The NT kernel brought a kind of system stability that up until Windows XP was only seen in the business world.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I'd have to say that Windows XP did that. Windows XP brought a modern kernel to the average home user whereas the old 9x kernel was quite frankly a piece of shit that blue screened if you looked at it cross-eyed. The NT kernel brought a kind of system stability that up until Windows XP was only seen in the business world.

I would agree that XP changed the playing field to a large degree, but it was just a step along the road Microsoft built with Windows 95. Regardless of the technical details, home computing exploded in the time of and greatly as a result of the release of Windows 95. XP did cause a wave of upgrades though!

 

[Prima.Vera]

I can't agree with that. Win3.x was excellent for it's time, but Win95 was huge leap forward in both functionality and usability. 95 ushered in the age of modern home computing. It succeeded where Apple and IBM failed. To call Windows 3.x "great" is a fair statement. To call it better than Windows 95 is not..

You misunderstood, or I wasn't clear enough maybe.
I meant that Win 3 and 3.11 were very good for their time, but when Win95 was released it was almost revolutionary compared to those 2 and the interface is even nowadays, the ground for modern OSes.

 

[lexluthermiester]

You misunderstood, or I wasn't clear enough maybe.
I meant that Win 3 and 3.11 were very good for their time, but when Win95 was released it was almost revolutionary compared to those 2 and the interface is even nowadays, the ground for modern OSes.

Ah ok, yeah I misunderstood you. Sorry about that.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Yeah, everybody lies. Support for Windows 10 Home/Pro is dead after 2025:

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Windows 10 Home and Pro - Microsoft Lifecycle

Windows 10 Home and Pro follows the Modern Lifecycle Policy.

docs.microsoft.com

They constantly update the lifecycles. That date there is the original release date for W10. Follow on versions will have a later date.

 

[WhitetailAni]

Please tell me there's a way to use the old icons and other stuff...
PLEASE, Microsoft!

 

[lexluthermiester]

They constantly update the lifecycles. That date there is the original release date for W10. Follow on versions will have a later date.

I've given up caring. I'm going to use what I want to use and in the way I want to use it. Microsoft can gobble poo..

 

[Deleted member 202104]

They constantly update the lifecycles. That date there is the original release date for W10. Follow on versions will have a later date.

I'd like to be wrong, and maybe I'm not understanding this correctly, but this sounds fairly clear:

Microsoft will continue to support at least one Windows 10 Semi-Annual Channel until October 14, 2025. (this is referring to Home and Professional)

The only Windows 10 product listed on the link I included that has any support listed past 10/14/25 is the 2019 LTSC and that's 01/09/29 - Even Education and Enterprise show 10/14/25.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like Home & Pro only have until 2025. Maybe a Windows 365 subscription would replace? It's not like any of us could do anything about it if that was the plan.

I've searched and can't find anything that shows anything different.

 

[rtwjunkie]

I'd like to be wrong, and maybe I'm not understanding this correctly, but this sounds fairly clear:

Microsoft will continue to support at least one Windows 10 Semi-Annual Channel until October 14, 2025. (this is referring to Home and Professional)

The only Windows 10 product listed on the link I included that has any support listed past 10/14/25 is the 2019 LTSC and that's 01/09/29 - Even Education and Enterprise show 10/14/25.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like Home & Pro only have until 2025. Maybe a Windows 365 subscription would replace? It's not like any of us could do anything about it if that was the plan.

I've searched and can't find anything that shows anything different.

I was mistaken. Looking at it in full, July 29, 2015 initial release was 1507. So it looks like the release this last May (21H1) is the last feature update for W10 and that one will get it’s last monthly update 12/13/2022, and semi annual for 2 and a half more years after.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Maybe a Windows 365 subscription would replace?

Screw that!

@Microsoft

You force a subscription model of Windows on the public and you will see a huge backlash followed by a loss of even more market share than you have lost already. DON'T DO IT!!

 

[stimpy88]

Screw that!

@Microsoft

You force a subscription model of Windows on the public and you will see a huge backlash followed by a loss of even more market share than you have lost already. DON'T DO IT!!

They damned well nearly did it with the first release of Windows 10, they are dying to pull the trigger on the whole AdobeCloud/subscription model. SAAS is what they are dreaming of with Windows, even when it is full of telemetry and ads.

Remember, Natella hates Windows, and has demoted it's position within MS ever since he took over, so he is the one most likely to pull the trigger on this decision, and probably not be bothered about the backlash - All for a new desktop background and some new icons.