Prebuilts with AMD 4700S Desktop Kits Sell for $600 in India

[Chaitanya]

They are not the only ones, saw whole bunch of adverts on facebook marketplace with pc featuring that motherboard.

 

[ZoneDymo]

Nobody's playing Minesweeper or Pinball at a competitive level, that's why. LOL still has a huge and active competitive scene.

the main point is that the definition of "gaming machine" has nothing to do with gaming as we know it, that is the most important part and renders this entire claim and discussion as pointless.
Other then that, why would it being competitive or not have anything to do with the determination? might as well say its not a first person shooter so it does not count.
What about online chess people play against eachother? huge amounts of people do that via various websites and you can run that on a calculator.

 

[kayjay010101]

the main point is that the definition of "gaming machine" has nothign to do with gaming as we know it, that is the most important part.
Other then that, why would it being competitive or not have anything to do with the determination? might as well say its not a first person shooter so it does not count.

Because competitive gaming is huge and a large potential pool of people to market to? Especially in third-world countries MOBAs and other games that run on practically anything are very popular, and tailoring your marketing for that market, in that market, makes sense. Tailoring your marketing to FPS' specifically in this context doesn't make any sense. That's a genre, not an indication of the intended performance level.

 

[holyprof]

It literally says best for office applications, starter gamer gaming machine (example - NFS MW, DOTA 2, Counter strike etc. ) and Dual monitor machine for stock market. Its not marketed towards us.

I played League of Legends on an i5-4690K with GT710, barely get 50 FPS on lowest graphics settings at 1366x768. I guess the Intel HD Graphics iGPU from 7 years ago would be faster.

Edit: I have the 2GB DDR3 version. The DDR5 is faster.

 

[john_]

It says GDDR5 version.

 

[AnarchoPrimitiv]

GT 710 is a nice option for ultra low power consumption and the fact that it is a DDR5 version, not a DDR3 one, means that it does have a somewhat good memory bandwidth for it's category. Probably a little faster than a Vega 3.
Considering that someone could be buying an Intel Atom based mini PC with Intel integrated pathetic Atom graphics at not much cheaper than this, it's not a bad option.


It's Kepler, not Fermi. Nvidia made a mess (and tech press kept it's mouth shut) with GT 730. There you could have 3 TOTALLY different versions with either Kepler or Fermi GPU, 64bit or 128bit data bus, DDR3 or DDR5 memory. A total mess. Someone could end up with a somewhat OK gaming card and another with a useless piece of ***BEEP***.

On the other hand GT 710 was ONLY Kepler with two versions. A pathetic GT 710 DDR3 and a somewhat OK DDR5 version.
Just as an indication, the GT 710 version I have with DDR3 scored at the latest FINAL FANTASY XIV: Endwalker Benchmark with 1280x720 Standard (Laptop) settings 3226 points. An almost ancient HD 5670, thanks to it's better bandwidth, scored 5096 points.

Apparently, according to benchmarks though a Vega 8 iGPU is much faster than a 710

On another note, if this 4700s had the CUs enabled, it would be so awesome, I'd love to build a SFF PC with it

 

[ZoneDymo]

Because competitive gaming is huge and a large potential pool of people to market to? Especially in third-world countries MOBAs and other games that run on practically anything are very popular, and tailoring your marketing for that market, in that market, makes sense. Tailoring your marketing to FPS' specifically in this context doesn't make any sense. That's a genre, not an indication of the intended performance level.

We are getting further and further away from the point, its about the company labeling this as a "gaming machine", the GT710 might run games but its not a part that validates that nomenclature, even on release it was just a mediacard.
Intel's IGPU's as was said provide better performance and if we just judge something as a "gaming machine" by its ability to run it easiest stuff out there then EVERYTHING is a gaming machine, making the entire marketing, statement, point, completely worthless.

 

[john_]

Apparently, according to benchmarks though a Vega 8 iGPU is much faster than a 710

On another note, if this 4700s had the CUs enabled, it would be so awesome, I'd love to build a SFF PC with it

No one expects a GT 710 to be as fast as Vega 8. Vega 8 is close to RX 550 and GT 1030 performance. GT 710 with GDDR5 memory, is more like Vega 3 performance (Athlon 3000G for example). With DDR3 memory is as slow as an older HD Intel iGPU.

We are getting further and further away from the point, its about the company labeling this as a "gaming machine", the GT710 might run games but its not a part that validates that nomenclature, even on release it was just a mediacard.

It depends on how we describe gaming. If gaming is the experience, then anything that can offer somewhat smooth performance in enough titles, even at the lowest possible settings, can be considered a gaming graphics card. If we take in consideration graphics settings and see it from a perspective where lower graphics settings means lower gaming experience, than probably anything under a GTX 1650 is NOT a gaming card.

 

[R0H1T]

Yeah I mean if you want to play 20-30 year old titles on this then by all means! Anything under GT 1030 should not have gaming associated with it, unless running Crysis as a slideshow is considered some achievement

 

[john_]

Yeah I mean if you want to play 20-30 year old titles on this then by all means! Anything under GT 1030 should not have gaming associated with it, unless running Crysis as a slideshow is considered some achievement

Watch the youtube video above. Fortnite at 60 fps is not 20-30 year old games. Battlefield 1 at 40 fps neither, or Overwatch at 70fps. There are games that even at lowest settings go under 20fps, but a gaming card is not a card that can play absolutely everything.

Even the DDR3 version runs Crysis at 30fps

 

[R0H1T]

Is that the Kepler version of the card? I'll wait till someone actually confirms that this GT 710 has GDDR5 in it, the specs on many of the (PC part) listings we have here can be grossly inaccurate. Also 720p & 1024*768 or 800*600

I'm pretty sure none with 2 brain cells ought to be spending $600 (or more) to game at 20th century resolutions, again it's not about playing everything out there but come on at least 1080p/low should be bare minimum these days.

 

[kruk]

On another note, if this 4700s had the CUs enabled, it would be so awesome, I'd love to build a SFF PC with it

Yeah, that would be great. Unfortunately, the GPU portion might need specialized driver development which would not be financially viable, and thus AMD decided to disable it completely ...

 

[john_]

Is that the Kepler version of the card? I'll wait till someone actually confirms that this GT 710 has GDDR5 in it, the specs on many of the (PC part) listings we have here can be grossly inaccurate. Also 720p & 1024*768 or 800*600

I'm pretty sure none with 2 brain cells ought to be spending $600 (or more) to game at 20th century resolutions, again it's not about playing everything out there but come on at least 1080p/low should be bare minimum these days.

Probably 99% of the cards in the market are Kepler based. Only today I found out that there was one model with Fermi GPU thanks to that screenshot you posted from TechPowerUp's database.
As for this PC, I think most people pointed out that it is not advertised as gaming PC. But someone could play games on it or install a higher end GPU, like a GTX 1050, that's why it is advertised as Starter gaming machine. And frankly, considering that most people game on smartphones, this is more than powerful to start Bluestacks on it and play (probably) ALL games that are available for Android. So if the definition of gaming machine should include the majority of gaming systems out there, which are smartphones, we do talk about a gaming machine.

Anyway, we play with words here(me included of course).

 

[Chaitanya]

Got this in email this morning.

 

[The red spirit]

GT 710 is a nice option for ultra low power consumption and the fact that it is a DDR5 version, not a DDR3 one, means that it does have a somewhat good memory bandwidth for it's category. Probably a little faster than a Vega 3.

It's not faster than Vega 3

 

[john_]

It's not faster than Vega 3

I think the GDDR5 version could be faster, but Vega 3 is newer and supports more codecs for video playback. So it does have it's advantages.
Any links where they compare them?

 

[The red spirit]

I think the GDDR5 version could be faster, but Vega 3 is newer and supports more codecs for video playback. So it does have it's advantages.
Any links where they compare them?

I remember done a video about GT 710 and it was beaten badly by UHD 630, which isn't very fast. And here's an indirect comparison:

It's GT 730 GDDR5 version, so it should be faster than GT 710 GDDR5. And it is somewhat faster than Vega 3. GT 710 GDDR5 has a lot less cuda cores, nearly twice less, so I don't think it's going to beat Vega 3. It might beat Vega 3 under heavy overclock, but that's it.

 

[john_]

I remember done a video about GT 710 and it was beaten badly by UHD 630, which isn't very fast. And here's an indirect comparison:

It's GT 730 GDDR5 version, so it should be faster than GT 710 GDDR5. And it is somewhat faster than Vega 3. GT 710 GDDR5 has a lot less cuda cores, nearly twice less, so I don't think it's going to beat Vega 3. It might beat Vega 3 under heavy overclock, but that's it.

If it was a DDR3 version UHD 630 could have an advantage there. With 12GB/sec you go nowhere. But GDDR5 version of GT 710 enjoys over 40GB/sec of bandwidth if I am not mistaken. So thinks change there.

A GT 710 is probably between what GT 630 and GT 730 shows. Vega 3 is almost 40% overclocked in the above benchmark, but I guess, if you can get that kind of overclock from the iGPU, why ignore it?
Thanks for the video.

 

[jigar2speed]

you clearly have no clue just how slow the gt 710 is. it is not suitable for gaming at all and even Intel integrated graphics from several years ago are faster.

Calm down expert i just retired my GT 710 and went to RTX 3070. I know Dota 2, MW and CS GO works like charm if you dial down a bit on graphic, also with FSR Dota 2 is now playable full HD at ultra settings on GT 710 DDR 5.

EDIT: Incase of any doubts i can post picture of GT 710 and RTX 3070 side by side. - So your opinion is futile because i have suffered for 6 months with low graphics using GT 710 and i know exactly how powerless it is.