Dell Cannot Ship Select Alienware Aurora R10/R12 Systems to Several US States Due To New Power Regulations

[my_name_is_earl]

You people voted for climate change bs... You deserved it. Now see your politician make it a reality for you. See your gas and electric bill go up. Enjoy and don't move from where you're at. You're just gonna ruin another state.

 

[the54thvoid]

This whole thread is predicated on an incomplete news post.

The power law being discussed actually allows high-power gaming rigs. It's all about the classification of middle-tier PC's that draw too much in idle. It's still a shitty, ill-conceived bill but all the folks getting their flag-waving pink panties in a twist can relax. It's not about taking away your powerful PC's. They're classed as 'High Expandability Computer' and exempt from the bill:

High-end gaming PCs are exempt from the CEC power regulations

Perversely, the new rules hurt mid-range PCs far more than power hogs.

www.pcgamer.com

To fall into that category the PC needs at least a 600W PSU and have a discrete graphics card with a frame buffer of 600GB/s or greater. Again that covers seriously high-end gaming machines with high-end graphics cards, like the GeForce RTX 3080 (760GB/s) and RTX 3090 (936GB/s) but doesn't include the more power-conscious mid-range cards such as the RTX 3060 (360GB/s) or Radeon RX 6700 XT (512GB/s).

In other words, a high end PC has requirements that need to draw more power. A mid-tier one shouldn't. Still, bonkers.

@lexluthermiester actually has a point. It's been an energy saving mantra since the 90's - to switch off what's not in use.

 

[ThrashZone]

Seattle and Tacoma (Washington state) both have large ports.

Oh? *Laughs in Washington*

Spoiler: more

I have literally never seen this and I have lived here since the 90s.


I'd prefer they actually used a hardware efficiency metric completely independent of cstates and sleep functions, like psu efficiency.

And for everyone blaming this or that on a certain party: stop. That's politics.


Yeah, thanks for the backup, fellow native. At times I have seen steam, but never ice.

Hi,
If either were on the same scale as Cali ships would go to them instead
Cali is the preferred major hub period.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

This whole thread is predicated on an incomplete news post.

The power law being discussed actually allows high-power gaming rigs. It's all about the classification of middle-tier PC's that draw too much in idle. It's still a shitty, ill-conceived bill but all the folks getting their flag-waving pink panties in a twist can relax. It's not about taking away your powerful PC's. They're classed as 'High Expandability Computer' and exempt from the bill:

High-end gaming PCs are exempt from the CEC power regulations

Perversely, the new rules hurt mid-range PCs far more than power hogs.

www.pcgamer.com

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In other words, a high end PC has requirements that need to draw more power. A mid-tier one shouldn't. Still, bonkers.

@lexluthermiester actually has a point. It's been an energy saving mantra since the 90's - to switch off what's not in use.

So no one actually read or understood the new rule/law

 

[Slizzo]

Jay actually goes into good detail about the "new" law coming into effect beginning of this month. Everyone NEEDS to watch it.

Yes, this doesn't affect us, and it's all about low power states and idle time power usage.

 

[Why_Me]

You people voted for climate change bs... You deserved it. Now see your politician make it a reality for you. See your gas and electric bill go up. Enjoy and don't move from where you're at. You're just gonna ruin another state.

California is a mess. They suffer from power outages yet they're pushing electric vehicles. Go figure eh.

California Mandates Electric Cars for 2035 and Here's What That Means | Edmunds

Under Gov. Gavin Newsom, California has issued a directive to eliminate vehicle emissions starting in 2035, which theoretically means all new vehicles from that point on will need to be EVs. Here's what it means to you.

www.edmunds.com

Here's an example of how messed up there are ... natural gas is clean energy and there's plenty of it yet ...

Berkeley became first US city to ban natural gas. Here's what that may mean for the future

The California city on Tuesday voted to ban natural gas hook-ups in new buildings, in a historic move

www.theguardian.com

 

[Deleted member 24505]

California is a mess. They suffer from power outages yet they're pushing electric vehicles. Go figure eh.

California Mandates Electric Cars for 2035 and Here's What That Means | Edmunds

Under Gov. Gavin Newsom, California has issued a directive to eliminate vehicle emissions starting in 2035, which theoretically means all new vehicles from that point on will need to be EVs. Here's what it means to you.

www.edmunds.com

Here's an example of how messed up there are ... natural gas is clean energy and there's plenty of it yet ...

Berkeley became first US city to ban natural gas. Here's what that may mean for the future

The California city on Tuesday voted to ban natural gas hook-ups in new buildings, in a historic move

www.theguardian.com

I find it bizarre for any so called first world country to have power outages. They are gonna reap what they sow

 

[64K]

I'm telling you Californians live in their own little world. If they think that eliminating pollution emissions in California will keep pollution out of California then they are wrong. Their is no atmospheric wall surrounding California to shield them from what the World is doing. That's like having a "no peeing section" in a swimming pool.

 

[moob]

I'm telling you Californians live in their own little world. If they think that eliminating pollution emissions in California will keep pollution out of California then they are wrong. Their is no atmospheric wall surrounding California to shield them from what the World is doing. That's like having a "no peeing section" in a swimming pool.

Lol. You gotta love folks who don't live here try to tell us what it's like living here. I've been here long enough to know what the LA Basin was like before stricter regulations were put in place. The air quality has improved dramatically. This isn't anecdotal, it's factual. Do you think CA is completely altruistic when it comes to tighter regulations and addressing climate change? Of course not. Almost 24 million people live in Southern California alone, more than any other state aside from Texas (and no, people aren't leaving in droves despite the sensationalist headlines). CA does what it does for its people first, though playing the altruism angle is a good way to garner wider support. That's not to say the air is perfect though, as it's still pretty disgusting at times (since, again, 24 million people), and wildfires certainly don't help (though I guess the rest of the country is getting a taste of that this year). Still, it's so much better than it once was. If these regulations help even a little to bring down pollutants even more, it was worth it.

And GN did a great piece on this non-headline by the way:

 

[R-T-B]

If either were on the same scale as Cali ships would go to them instead

Ships DO go to them. Scale was never claimed, you said "only."

I'm telling you Californians live in their own little world. If they think that eliminating pollution emissions in California will keep pollution out of California then they are wrong.

It's rather the opposite. Pollution regulations have become popular in Calfiornia because Californians know what it means to be polluted. It used to be awful there, and in some areas, still is. They are acting because they know the consequences of not acting. And yes they are improving things by their actions, that's not up for debate anymore as the proof is in the metrics.

 

[Caring1]

I'm telling you Californians live in their own little world. If they think that eliminating pollution emissions in California will keep pollution out of California then they are wrong. Their is no atmospheric wall surrounding California to shield them from what the World is doing. That's like having a "no peeing section" in a swimming pool.

While they may have some of the strictest regulations, other regions are following suit to a smaller degree after seeing the working evidence, what happens in California is having a flow on effect.

 

[Slizzo]

I'm telling you Californians live in their own little world. If they think that eliminating pollution emissions in California will keep pollution out of California then they are wrong. Their is no atmospheric wall surrounding California to shield them from what the World is doing. That's like having a "no peeing section" in a swimming pool.

You do realize that many states follow CARB's policies for vehicles, right?

Like my own. Which is on the opposite side of the country.

There are others like mine.

 

[RedBear]

The power law being discussed actually allows high-power gaming rigs. It's all about the classification of middle-tier PC's that draw too much in idle. It's still a shitty, ill-conceived bill but all the folks getting their flag-waving pink panties in a twist can relax. It's not about taking away your powerful PC's. They're classed as 'High Expandability Computer' and exempt from the bill:

Ahem, taking away the middle tier PCs isn't that much better, if anything it's actually the opposite, since people who use similar systems normally can't really afford the high end ones that are somehow exempted from the law. Coincidentally, or maybe not, the whole thing smells a bit like elitism.

 

[Caring1]

"high expandability computer" basically describes any custom built P.C. low to high end.

 

[R-T-B]

Ahem, taking away the middle tier PCs isn't that much better, if anything it's actually the opposite, since people who use similar systems normally can't really afford the high end ones that are somehow exempted from the law. Coincidentally, or maybe not, the whole thing smells a bit like elitism.

"high expandability computer" basically describes any custom built P.C. low to high end.

This.

 

[RedBear]

"high expandability computer" basically describes any custom built P.C. low to high end.

This.

Not really, a mid tier system with an RTX 3060 or an RX 5600 XT can do with a 550w PSU, which would automatically disqualify it from the 600w PSU requirement for the "high expandability computer" definition quoted in the Intel document.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Not really, a mid tier system with an RTX 3060 or an RX 5600 XT can do with a 550w PSU, which would automatically disqualify it from the 600w PSU requirement for the "high expandability computer" definition quoted in the Intel document.

What? You need to re-read that documentation, you're missing a few of the finer points.

 

[RedBear]

What? You need to re-read that documentation, you're missing s few of the finer points.

I would be grateful if you could point me out some of these finer points... The 600w requirement for the "high expandability computer" definition appears to be a hard one from page 22 of that Intel document.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I would be grateful if you could point me out some of these finer points... The 600w requirement for the "high expandability computer" definition appears to be a hard one from page 22 of that Intel document.

First, What is the name of the document?
Second, Who issued the document?
Third, What does the "Note" state under the points you highlighted on page 22?

 

[RedBear]

First, What is the name of the document?
Second, Who issued the document?
Third, What does the "Note" state under the points you highlighted on page 22?

1. Program for California Energy Commission (CEC) Friendly Motherboards
2. Intel
3. "If a system meets the High Expandability Computer Definition it does not have to meet the TEC Requirement but does have 4 non power requirements"

Again, can you just make your point clearly or can I assume you're trolling (and apparently that's all fine and dandy with the mods, unlike talking about "politics")?

 

[R-T-B]

Not really, a mid tier system with an RTX 3060 or an RX 5600 XT can do with a 550w PSU, which would automatically disqualify it from the 600w PSU requirement for the "high expandability computer" definition quoted in the Intel document.

I never said it was perfect. But the fact is a custom built computer is not a complete unit so these regulations still fail to apply to them.

So, same point.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Program for California Energy Commission (CEC) Friendly Motherboards

The FILE name. It includes the word "Guideline". When coupled with the fact the Intel made the document, what does that tell you?

Again, can you just make your point clearly or can I assume you're trolling (and apparently that's all fine and dandy with the mods, unlike talking about "politics")?

No. If I explain it to you, you learn nothing and you will just let your pride react and throw back an excuse.

R-T-B is correct, you are not. Figure out why for yourself.

 

[RedBear]

I never said it was perfect. But the fact is a custom built computer is not a complete unit so these regulations still fail to apply to them.

So, same point.

It's not really the same point, the fact is that the definition of high expandability computer doesn't necessarily include custom built PC as you're implying, it's not logic to equate them. And if you're a small scale manufacturer you just need to sell 50 basic models of custom built systems in order to fall under the scope of this regulation (Section 1605.3(v)(7)(C) of Title 20 Appliance Efficiency Regulations).
It's been said since the beginning that the regulation doesn't concern people who build their own PCs, if that's what you mean with custom built, but it does seem to concern people who sell any computer, including so called custom built systems.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Swiss cheese regulation, interesting thought that was a right side trait not the left lol

 

[Redwoodz]

Lol. You gotta love folks who don't live here try to tell us what it's like living here. I've been here long enough to know what the LA Basin was like before stricter regulations were put in place. The air quality has improved dramatically. This isn't anecdotal, it's factual. Do you think CA is completely altruistic when it comes to tighter regulations and addressing climate change? Of course not. Almost 24 million people live in Southern California alone, more than any other state aside from Texas (and no, people aren't leaving in droves despite the sensationalist headlines). CA does what it does for its people first, though playing the altruism angle is a good way to garner wider support. That's not to say the air is perfect though, as it's still pretty disgusting at times (since, again, 24 million people), and wildfires certainly don't help (though I guess the rest of the country is getting a taste of that this year). Still, it's so much better than it once was. If these regulations help even a little to bring down pollutants even more, it was worth it.

And GN did a great piece on this non-headline by the way:

Funny how the other states constantly crap on CA regulations....then they move here.