ASUS Launches ROG Crosshair VIII Extreme Motherboard

[Gmr_Chick]

Sad C6E noises.

After AMD's decision to single out and discontinue AGESA maintenance for X370-based motherboards despite having no actual valid technical reason as to why do so beyond a generic "300 series motherboards were built to an inferior standard" (despite the X470 being the exact same ASIC and most 400 series being carbon copies or using similar components with similar characteristics) - going as far as fabricating theories such as low BIOS ROM storage sizes which were quickly debunked by the enthusiast community - and then going out of their way to actively stop the motherboard manufacturers that decided to provide support for newer processors anyway (AsRock), I would guess that it's best if it a product like the C6E "just disappeared".

Even though I never owned a C6E (I did have the Hero though) I still think it's one of the cooler AM4 boards to this day, for whatever reason.

That having been said though, I feel like this new iteration is way too late in the lifecycle of AM4 and is simply for those chasing epic e-peen points.

 

[eidairaman1]

This is competing with the Taichi Razer edition

 

[TheLostSwede]

Yeah, only that some people need 40Gbps to their mobos and hell if I pay for a server board just for the PHY. Even Billy once claimed nobody needs more than 640KB RAM, yet here we are today.
More so, SFP cages are actually cheap since the expensive stuff is in the SFP themselves.

You're aware that SFP tops out at Gigabit speed, right? Even SFP+ only goes to 10 Gigabit. You're asking for QSFP+ on a consumer board

 

[Marshal_90]

I miss the SABERTOOTH series

 

[Shou Miko]

You're aware that SFP tops out at Gigabit speed, right? Even SFP+ only goes to 10 Gigabit. You're asking for QSFP+ on a consumer board

Hahaha

Yeah, only that some people need 40Gbps to their mobos and hell if I pay for a server board just for the PHY. Even Billy once claimed nobody needs more than 640KB RAM, yet here we are today.

Memory have evolved with software requirements and what you need for it all.

2021 is still not the place for consumers to use SFP/SFP+ it's a enterprice thing.

Yes I work in support at a small computer business even with use CAT6 regularly even business laptops and desktops only comes with gigabit ethernet for office use they haven't even concidered 2.5G options onboard.

 

[zlobby]

You're aware that SFP tops out at Gigabit speed, right? Even SFP+ only goes to 10 Gigabit. You're asking for QSFP+ on a consumer board

Yes, I am asking for QSFP+ on a HEDT board.

'I don't need it, hence nobody else does' is one of my all-time favorites.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Yes, I am asking for QSFP+ on a HEDT board.

'I don't need it, hence nobody else does' is one of my all-time favorites.

Uhm, this is not HEDT, this is just a high-end consumer board. I think you've mixed things up a bit.

And no, no consumer motherboard is going to need QSFP+, sorry, but you're really barking up the wrong tree here dude.
I have 10Gbps between this machine and my NAS, so yeah, I have nothing against fast networking speeds, but this board is not the market for what you're asking for.

 

[LiveOrDie]

would look better with a Intel socket

 

[oxrufiioxo]

would look better with a Intel socket

There is already a similar Z590 version it's just gimped in the pcie gen 4 department.

 

[Ruru]

I suppose it will be around 200 usd plus or minus 10 usd. But then I drank a lot tonight....

Most likely, as the Formula version is about 600EUR already

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Most likely, as the Formula version is about 600EUR already

Guessing 8-900 usd same as the Z590 varient

 

[Ruru]

Guessing 8-900 usd same as the Z590 varient

Yeah, wouldn't be surprised at all.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Yeah, wouldn't be surprised at all.

If I didn't already own two pretty decent X570 boards I would be tempted to pick it up as long as it ended up less than 1k usd.

Been wanting an Asus Extreme board for a while.

 

[Ruru]

If I didn't already own two pretty decent X570 boards I would be tempted to pick it up as long as it ended up less than 1k usd.

Been wanting an Asus Extreme board for a while.

My 2nd rig's X58 R3E is fair enough for me.

 

[katzi]

No listed price, means it costs as much as a 6 bedroom 9 bathroom house in Inner London.

 

[Totally]

If I didn't already own two pretty decent X570 boards I would be tempted to pick it up as long as it ended up less than 1k usd.

Been wanting an Asus Extreme board for a while.

My point exactly, I would have bought it in a heartbeat 1-2 years ago but now can't even think of a reason to get it nor does it offer anything new.

 

[thegnome]

Guessing 8-900 usd same as the Z590 varient

Would surprise everyone if it was cheaper than the Z590 version, even though it has many more (useful) features.

 

[asdkj1740]

You forgot about their weird DIMM.2 thingie that takes another two drives.
However, there's "only" support for three PCIe 4.0 SSDs, the other two slots are PCIe 3.0.

cant be pcie3.0. chipset provides only gen4.
must be typo just like what msi listed on its x570.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

cant be pcie3.0. chipset provides only gen4.
must be typo just like what msi listed on its x570.

ROG Crosshair VIII Extreme

AMD X570 EATX gaming motherboard with 18+2 power stages, five M.2 slots, USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 front-panel connector with PD 3.0 60 W support, USB 3.2 Gen 2 front-panel connector, dual Thunderbolt™ 4, Marvell® AQtion 10 Gb Ethernet, Intel® 2.5 Gb Ethernet, PCIe® 4.0, onboard WiFi 6E and Aura Sync RGB...

rog.asus.com

According to asus only 3 support 4.0 but the way they explain it is convoluted.

 

[eidairaman1]

I miss the SABERTOOTH series

Yup Asus Pulled a Gigabyte with those boards.

Sabertooth Sounds better than Rox Strix.

 

[Object55]

Can someone explain, can I max out ?

3x NVME 4.0
2x NVME 3.0

and still run primary PCIe 4.0 x16 ?

Or at some point something has to be sacrificed ?

 

[ThrashZone]

Yup Asus Pulled a Gigabyte with those boards.

Sabertooth Sounds better than Rox Strix.

Hi,
Tuf isn't as cool as sabertooth
My x99 sabertooth asus with broadwell-e bios did kill quite a few haswell-e sabertooths mine is the only one in original existence from 2015

 

[TheLostSwede]

cant be pcie3.0. chipset provides only gen4.
must be typo just like what msi listed on its x570.

Can't be?
If you connect a PCIe bridge chip, you could take four PCIe 4.0 lanes and turn them into eight PCIe 3.0, so yes it can be.
MSI also used PCIe 3.0 redrivers on some of their boards to force some lanes to be slower and to reduce cost, so again, it can be done.

Can someone explain, can I max out ?

3x NVME 4.0
2x NVME 3.0

and still run primary PCIe 4.0 x16 ?

Or at some point something has to be sacrificed ?

Yes, it should be possible on this board, but we won't know for sure until we have a board diagram.

 

[asdkj1740]

Can't be?
If you connect a PCIe bridge chip, you could take four PCIe 4.0 lanes and turn them into eight PCIe 3.0, so yes it can be.
MSI also used PCIe 3.0 redrivers on some of their boards to force some lanes to be slower and to reduce cost, so again, it can be done.


Yes, it should be possible on this board, but we won't know for sure until we have a board diagram.

in reality, asrock uses asm1184e as pcie bridge to provide two pcie 2.0 x1 slots on z490 aqua.
as asm1184e takes gen2x1 as upstream only, i doubt it is really using gen3x1 from z490 chipset instead.

good luck hoping mobo manufactures to use gen4 bridge on x570 while we have almost never seen a gen3 bridge used on mainstream mobos.
what you said (gen4-->more gen3 // gen3--> more gen2) is even more hopeless to see. it is like we only see 10g usb hub/pcie ic used on two z590 extreme (asus and gigabyte).

asm1184e

ASM1184e-1 PCIe x1 Gen2 to 4 PCIe x 1 Gen2|祥碩科技股份有限公司

ASM1184e,PCIe 交換器,PCIe 封包交換器,PCIe x1 Gen2,PCIe 擴充,主機板擴充,嵌入式系統擴充,PCIe 2.0,祥碩科技,ASMedia

www.asmedia.com.tw

z490 aqua

ASRock > Z490 AQUA

Supports 10th Gen Intel Core™ Processors and 11th Gen Intel Core™ Processors (LGA1200)<span style=color:red;>*</span>; Supports DDR4 4800MHz+ (OC); 1 PCIe 3.0 x16, 2 PCIe 2.0 x1; NVIDIA Quad SLI™, AMD 3-Way CrossFireX™; Graphics Output Options: HDMI, Intel Thunderbolt™ 3; 7.1 CH HD Audio...

www.asrock.com

什么都没找到

Can someone explain, can I max out ?

3x NVME 4.0
2x NVME 3.0

and still run primary PCIe 4.0 x16 ?

Or at some point something has to be sacrificed ?

5 nvme x4=20 lanes,
if you want x16 from cpu intactly, then chipset needs to be allocated x16 for 4*m.2 for you.
and then you have no on board network to use lol. go get some USB stick for wifi.
just kidding, no you probably cant have five x4 m.2 plus gpu x16.


x570 - 16 pcie

tb4 - x4
pcie x1 slot - x1
6 sata takes - x2 (4 out of 6 are not by pcie)
2*m.2 - x8
2*lan - x2
wifi - x1

18 pcie used if all of them are natively/direclty provided by chipset. so i think pcie controller ic is used to save some pcie lanes.
for example asm1061 , used x1 to provide 2*sata instead of x2 to provide 2*sata (by chipset).
also it seems there maybe some gen3 bridge used, super rare stuff.

 

[TheLostSwede]

in reality, asrock uses asm1184e as pcie bridge to provide two pcie 2.0 x1 slots on z490 aqua.
as asm1184e takes gen2x1 as upstream only, i doubt it is really using gen3x1 from z490 chipset instead.

good luck hoping mobo manufactures to use gen4 bridge on x570 while we have almost never seen a gen3 bridge used on mainstream mobos.
what you said (gen4-->more gen3 // gen3--> more gen2) is even more hopeless to see. it is like we only see 10g usb hub/pcie ic used on two z590 extreme (asus and gigabyte).

asm1184e

ASM1184e-1 PCIe x1 Gen2 to 4 PCIe x 1 Gen2|祥碩科技股份有限公司

ASM1184e,PCIe 交換器,PCIe 封包交換器,PCIe x1 Gen2,PCIe 擴充,主機板擴充,嵌入式系統擴充,PCIe 2.0,祥碩科技,ASMedia

www.asmedia.com.tw

z490 aqua

ASRock > Z490 AQUA

Supports 10th Gen Intel Core™ Processors and 11th Gen Intel Core™ Processors (LGA1200)<span style=color:red;>*</span>; Supports DDR4 4800MHz+ (OC); 1 PCIe 3.0 x16, 2 PCIe 2.0 x1; NVIDIA Quad SLI™, AMD 3-Way CrossFireX™; Graphics Output Options: HDMI, Intel Thunderbolt™ 3; 7.1 CH HD Audio...

www.asrock.com

什么都没找到

5 nvme x4=20 lanes,
if you want x16 from cpu intactly, then chipset needs to be allocated x16 for 4*m.2 for you.
and then you have no on board network to use lol. go get some USB stick for wifi.
just kidding, no you probably cant have five x4 m.2 plus gpu x16.


x570 - 16 pcie

tb4 - x4
pcie x1 slot - x1
6 sata takes - x2 (4 out of 6 are not by pcie)
2*m.2 - x8
2*lan - x2
wifi - x1

18 pcie used if all of them are natively/direclty provided by chipset. so i think pcie controller ic is used to save some pcie lanes.
for example asm1061 , used x1 to provide 2*sata instead of x2 to provide 2*sata (by chipset).
also it seems there maybe some gen3 bridge used, super rare stuff.

Sorry, what?
You make no sense at all, this is an AMD X570 board, what does that have to do with an Intel Z490 board?

I hope you're aware that ASMedia isn't the only company making PCIe bridge chips, in fact, they were late to the game.
And you don't need to inform me of their product range, I'm well aware of it and I have both written about their products and incorporated their chips into a product.

In fact, what you're calling a controller is a bridge/splitter, not a controller.
You might want to consider some of their more up to date parts as well, that have more lanes.
Such as this for example.

ASM2812-PCIe Gen3 Packet Switching Chips，12 Lane / 6 Port|ASMedia Technology Inc.

PCIe Gen3 Packet Switching Chips, 12 Lane, 6 Port PCI Express Switch, Packet Switching Chip

www.asmedia.com.tw