AMD Ryzen 7 5700G and Ryzen 5 5600G Already Outselling 5800X and 5600X on Mindfactory

[Selaya]

Disagree. The only time you should consider Cezanne is when you're taking advantage of its IGP.
Otherwise, it's either Vermeer (no IGP but actual CPU performance in gaming due to 32MiB of cache) or Skylake (for the IGP fans if you need a debug, or just budget because Vermeer is still very expensive - in that latter case at your option, F without the IGP), both will see less of a CPU bottleneck, and in the latter case, for less $ too.

 

[wahdangun]

This is my point. The ancient $25 GPU can't run ACV well at all. It's so bad it's painful to look at. But do you really want to play an expensive, AAA sightseeing title like AC Valhalla at 26fps on the lowest settings?

My point is that there really isn't a very big list of titles that a 5700G can run well enough, but an ancient $25 GPU can't run well enough.

Either both IGP and GPU are fine, or both are bad enough that you wouldn't bother.

you can always user fsr if you want more performance

 

[InVasMani]

I really think that AMD's virtual super resolution by the iGPU of a discrete GPU's active signal resolution is worth testing using windows desktop cloning. You can basically upscale the active signal from the APU's GPU, but also you could use Radeon Boost or FSR on the discrete GPU and upscale that further with the APU's GPU using virtual super resolution.

As a example FSR quality with the APU's GPU doing virtual super resolution would possibly look better than FSR utlra quality. It would be really interesting with FSR performance combined with virtual super resolution though off the APU. You would end up with the performance roughly of a FSR performance combined with the image quality roughly of FSR ultra quality or just marginally below it potentially and hopefully still better than FSR quality setting. It helps free up performance overhead on the discrete GPU if it can render at a lower native resolution and/or without AA with the APU using virtual super resolution similar to SSAA on it's own separate GPU resources. It should work in practice, but I don't offhand know what the quality would look like comparatively.

I think actually see it tested on these APU's would be neat as it should work. I can bump up the desktop resolution on a Intel iGPU with desktop cloning from a discrete GPU and AMD virtual super resolution does that as well it bumps up the desktop resolution from the active signal resolution. Basically like it would be like the APU performing FSR ultra quality off it's GPU hardware.

 

[Chrispy_]

It's present in Gigabyte's 1.2.0.3b BIOS with 5600G. Same place you'd usually look, AMD OC.

Still working on the CPU OC for my 5600G though, so not sure if it actually works yet.

Interestingly enough, there's a GFX Curve Optimizer. I run a pretty high daily OC of 2275/2300MHz on my 4650G/5600G and don't have any headroom left at 1.2V, so this will be fun to tinker if it works.

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edit: not looking so great. Only works when iGPU not manually OC'd, but still basically does the same thing (ie. forces VDDCR_GFX = VSOC). Worst part is that it follows the same rules as PBO so max boost override is +200MHz. Not helpful when I'm already running 2275/2300Mhz.

I haven't used it since the 2500U and 2700U but this tool used to have pretty decent fine-tuning control of APUs back in the day and they claim 5XXX support:

Ryzen Controller

Take control of your laptop.

ryzencontroller.com

 

[thevoiceofreason]

you can always user fsr if you want more performance

130% of nothing is still nothing

 

[Chrispy_]

130% of nothing is still nothing

130% of 26fps is 34fps though, might be enough to lock framerate to 30fps and at least get a half-decent experience.

For sightseeing games my personal opinion is that you want 1080p/med/30fps at a bare minimum. Less than that and there's not much sightseeing to enjoy.
For competitive shooters you likely need 720p60 and if it's the sort of shooter that requires you to snipe distant targets then 1080p60 is also a minimum.

 

[BigBonedCartman]

An iGPU is outselling a non iGPU during a video card shortage

BREAKING NEWS

 

[r9]

C'mon AMD release the PS5/Xbox series type of APU enough with this Vega GPU nonsense.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

I was at Microcenter yesterday and almost purchased the 5600G. They have an insane deal on the 9700K + motherboard right now though. I guess they are trying to clean house of old Intel, as it's the only CPU where they knock $50 off the price of the motherboard (the guy at the checkout line even looked surprised). Every other CPU it's just $20 off. Had they not had that deal, I probably would have gone with the 5600G. I also wondered if the 'boards on the shelf would detect it without needing a BIOS update.

 

[tabascosauz]

I was at Microcenter yesterday and almost purchased the 5600G. They have an insane deal on the 9700K + motherboard right now though. I guess they are trying to clean house of old Intel, as it's the only CPU where they knock $50 off the price of the motherboard (the guy at the checkout line even looked surprised). Every other CPU it's just $20 off. Had they not had that deal, I probably would have gone with the 5600G. I also wondered if the 'boards on the shelf would detect it without needing a BIOS update.

Cezanne support (iirc AGESA 1200+) is later than Vermeer (iirc AGESA 1080+), but if you get any board with BIOS flashback it should be fine.

But honestly I wouldn't be surprised if it booted just fine with any Vermeer compatible BIOS. Full iGPU performance and mem OC is a different story, obviously.

 

[Vayra86]

Since the upgrade itch is too costly to scratch...

Might build me a retro gaming box with one of these G's. Offline only. Pre installed pre modded stuff. Emulators. Yes... Who needs remasters

Heck for 1080p I reckon these will play anything up to 2017~19

 

[HD64G]

An iGPU is outselling a non iGPU during a video card shortage

BREAKING NEWS

Where were the Intel's CPUs with iGPUs in the sale ranks all those months I wonder...

C'mon AMD release the PS5/Xbox series type of APU enough with this Vega GPU nonsense.

PS5 has GDDR6 on board...

 

[TumbleGeorge]

PS5 has GDDR5 on board...

GDDR6

 

[HD64G]

GDDR6

Thanks, post was corrected. Even better so.

 

[Minus Infinity]

Sorry, I would just wait for Phoenix with RDNA2 iGPU and no doubt other improvements to Zen3. iGPU is a joke for gaming, but isn't that good for video processing either. We need a seriously powerful iGPU to handle photo and video processing that use GPU acceleration. Vega is well past being useful.

 

[kmetek]

AMD says 5700G succeeds 3700X.

3700X launched at $330. 5700G launched at $360 ($30 more), and you get an iGPU, and incrementally more CPU performance than a 3700X. I'd say that's a fair deal. The only area where you're losing out is PCIe, you won't be able to take full advantage of the high-end Gen4 SSDs.

please where is 360$? usa again? in f*cking europe is almost 400€.

 

[kruk]

please where is 360$? usa again? in f*cking europe is almost 400€.

Example: Equippr (366€) oder Mindfactory (368€), both with VAT which translates to 364$. Pretty close to MSRP, I would say ... Source: Geizhals

 

[HD64G]

Prices will come down in 1-2 weeks me thinks. As they did for 5600X and 5800X a month ago once stock got enough.

 

[Hargema]

Please don't mention Amazon that's a garbage ass distributor.

 

[Caring1]

Please don't mention Amazon that's a garbage ass distributor.

You prefer Banggood?

 

[Hargema]

You prefer Banggood?

I like physical stores, and I have heard good things about banggood too although I haven't tried it yet.
I would also buy from AliExpress over Amazon anyday.