Intel Beats AMD to 6nm GPUs, Arc "Alchemist" Built on TSMC N6 Process

[TheOne]

Headline probably should have been "Intel could beat AMD to 6nm", though I'm personally more interested in the release date, performance, and price.

 

[AnarchoPrimitiv]

In a just world, Intel wouldn't be allowed to use TSMC and would have to stick with their own fabs. Tgis however, proves beyond any doubt, that Intel entering the GPU market will do absolutely NOTHING to alleviate shortage since it will just be stretching an already thin supply thinner.

 

[HisDivineOrder]

So... another company heavily reliant on the same fab that can't produce enough parts for AMD?

Great. That sounds like it's going to end well.

 

[InVasMani]

Article on Intel GPU and most interesting part about is about AMD's RNDA3. Really curious if the 6nm shrink will come before the 5nm shrink for mid range and high end SKU's on RX7000. If AMD manages to get 6nm mid range RDNA3 released before the high end RNDA3 that would be really good at a time like now with the supply constraints. The market could very much stand for that to happen.

 

[Bomby569]

No mentioning of beating Nvidia?

that's an editorial note, Intel didn't claim that

 

[Hachi_Roku256563]

Im actually exicted for intel
as someone who likes to try all the brands probs gonna buy a intel gpu

 

[eidairaman1]

I do hope for Intel that they won't suffer the Raja curse (Hyping a product to the moon, only to have the end result being a tad underwhelming)

Too late

 

[watzupken]

Eh, TSMC 6nm is basically a refined 7nm, so I don't really think it is a significant feat is it? And based on rumours, AMD is only using 6nm for their lower end 7000 series GPU. The node aside, I think I would be more interested to see if GPUs from Intel are more power efficient as compared to RDNA2 and Ampere.

 

[InVasMani]

CGI Raja looking very fake...nice try Intel.

 

[watzupken]

So... another company heavily reliant on the same fab that can't produce enough parts for AMD?

Great. That sounds like it's going to end well.

I feel the supply for Intel chips may be better than AMD despite the fact that both are using TSMC. There is certainly a supply crunch at the fab, but I suspect one of the reason for AMD falling so behind in GPU supply is because,
1. Console SOC - I believe this is one of the sources that is keeping AMD really busy
2. Prioritisation of high margin products - GPUs are harder to manufacturer (and smaller in margin) and I believe AMD is prioritising CPUs, particularly EPYC series, to maximise the profit they can make. That is why it is so hard to find AMD GPUs, particularly at the higher end, i.e. RX 6800 series. The 6900 series is simply being priced out of the market, so it is not uncommon to see a lot of 6900 XT.

 

[bug]

"They'll find a way to make it the best number"

Except these will be built by TSMC, Intel doesn't get to name their process

 

[medi01]

"They'll find a way to make it the best number"

Bashing Intel for using more realistic 7 for their process formerly called "10nm" is not warranted.
Intel was not in fab business and they didn't need to state BS figures for marketing purposes.

I keep repeating it, transistor size in L1 cache, Ryzen 7nm TSMC vs Intel 14nm (yes, FOURTEEN):
AMD: 22x22nm
Intel: 24x24nm

Not what a sane person would have expected from "7 vs 14".

I didn't dig into details, but wouldn't be surprised if Intel 10nm actually beats TSMC 7nm.

What the actual Fffff, Intel haven't released an actual GPU.

You are new to Raja The Smoke And Mirrors (also known as Raja The Great Embarassment) aren't you?

n a just world, Intel wouldn't be allowed to use TSMC and would have to stick with their own fabs.

But why the heck not?

I don't think that's how things work.
Customers book capacity in advance.
Customers use the said capacity.

All parties are happy.


Now, call me a pessimist, but I cannot imagine Intel making any sort of significant volume booking at TSMC at this point in time. And if so, their impact on the availability will be negligible.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Bashing Intel for using more realistic 7 for their process formerly called "10nm" is not warranted.
Intel was not in fab business and they didn't need to state BS figures for marketing purposes.

I keep repeating it, transistor size in L1 cache, Ryzen 7nm TSMC vs Intel 14nm (yes, FOURTEEN):
AMD: 22x22nm
Intel: 24x24nm

Not what a sane person would have expected from "7 vs 14".

I didn't dig into details, but wouldn't be surprised if Intel 10nm actually beats TSMC 7nm.



You are new to Raja The Smoke And Mirrors (also known as Raja The Great Embarassment) aren't you?

No and I'm not new to Intel's four year advertising campaign for Xe, who is at this point.

 

[Jism]

Eh, TSMC 6nm is basically a refined 7nm, so I don't really think it is a significant feat is it? And based on rumours, AMD is only using 6nm for their lower end 7000 series GPU. The node aside, I think I would be more interested to see if GPUs from Intel are more power efficient as compared to RDNA2 and Ampere.

even 7nm cant be compared to intels 10nm or even 14nm really.

It's just advances in nodes really, with either lower power consumption at same clocks compared to 7nm or higher performance at the same power enveloppe to also 7nm.

All this fuss; just release the product(s).

 

[Bomby569]

All this fuss; just release the product(s).

I think releasing the hardware is easier then having it work with proper software. AMD never got their drivers right, i fear Intel will have a long road ahead in making this work.

 

[Richards]

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Bashing Intel for using more realistic 7 for their process formerly called "10nm" is not warranted.
Intel was not in fab business and they didn't need to state BS figures for marketing purposes.

I keep repeating it, transistor size in L1 cache, Ryzen 7nm TSMC vs Intel 14nm (yes, FOURTEEN):
AMD: 22x22nm
Intel: 24x24nm

Not what a sane person would have expected from "7 vs 14".

I didn't dig into details, but wouldn't be surprised if Intel 10nm actually beats TSMC 7nm.



You are new to Raja The Smoke And Mirrors (also known as Raja The Great Embarassment) aren't you?


But why the heck not?

I don't think that's how things work.
Customers book capacity in advance.
Customers use the said capacity.

All parties are happy.


Now, call me a pessimist, but I cannot imagine Intel making any sort of significant volume booking at TSMC at this point in time. And if so, their impact on the availability will be negligible.

Intel has bigger density sram. Thats why intel's 14nm is still close to tsmc 7nm in performance

 

[medi01]

never got their drivers righ

Jesus Christ, unbelievable that someone pops up with this kind of low effort garbage in 2021...

 

[ZoneDymo]

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Jesus Christ, unbelievable that someone pops up with this kind of low effort garbage in 2021...

ignorant fanboysm does not conform to a year or period sadly.

 

[Bomby569]

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Jesus Christ, unbelievable that someone pops up with this kind of low effort garbage in 2021...

being an ex-owner of the disastrous rx5700xt i know what i'm talking about.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

being an ex-owner of the disastrous rx5700xt i know what i'm talking about.

How's about you put your big boy pants on , sit chill and have a think.

Is it possible your experience isn't everyone's.

Yes, yes it is.

Now your initial point was valid, Intel have some work ahead they need to get the driver right.
But bringing AMD driver's to the table is just toolish , pointless, trolly and distracting, but do ramble on off topic about your butt hurt.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

How's about you put your big boy pants on , sit chill and have a think.



Now your initial point was valid, Intel have some work ahead they need to get the driver right.
But bringing AMD driver's to the table is just toolish , pointless, trolly and distracting, but do ramble on off topic about your butt hurt.

You seem awfully upset at AMD's consistent pattern of screwing up drivers and leaving them broken until the media starts talking about it. They did it with evergreen, GCN (remember FCAT tests?), polaris, and rDNA. This is what we call a pattern. It was enough of a "trolly" response that AMD looked into the issues each time and FOUND ISSUES each time.

Is it possible your experience isn't everyone's.


Yes, yes it is.

You should take your own advice.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

You seem awfully upset at AMD's consistent pattern of screwing up drivers and leaving them broken until the media starts talking about it. They did it with evergreen, GCN (remember FCAT tests?), polaris, and rDNA. This is what we call a pattern. It was enough of a "trolly" response that AMD looked into the issues each time and FOUND ISSUES each time.

You should take your own advice.

As for on topic?! ?

 

[Bomby569]

How's about you put your big boy pants on , sit chill and have a think.

Is it possible your experience isn't everyone's.

Yes, yes it is.

Now your initial point was valid, Intel have some work ahead they need to get the driver right.
But bringing AMD driver's to the table is just toolish , pointless, trolly and distracting, but do ramble on off topic about your butt hurt.

That's a bit an asshole type of talking to someone even on the internet. Forgeting that, you could see the several driver releases where AMD itself listed the problems, including the disastrous black screen, that appeared as solved time and time again because they couldn't solve it.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

That's a bit an asshole type of talking to someone even on the internet. Forgeting that, you could see the several driver releases where AMD itself listed the problems, including the disastrous black screen, that appeared as solved time and time again because they couldn't solve it.

Likewise, your comments sooooooo, and on topic ?!

I used AMD and Nvidia 20+ years sooo I will look up nothing I already know, now with big boy pants on wtaf does driver's have to do with news of Intel beating AMD to a 6nm node, nothing.

Pm your next insult at least then I can truly reply how I'D like.

 

[Gundem]

Wow