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The is only way to clean up USB. Kick out Apple and Intel and Thunderbolt from the USB Forum. The parasite Thunderbolt is killing the Universal part of the USB standart. USB alreay can do Video out using DP Alt-mode, so why USB connector need a another similar protocol like. What USB needs is lower letency and better performenc, not being host for a parasitic standard like Thunderbolt.

If Apple and Intel is that much innovative, then they need to create new connector for their parasite Thunderbolt instead of taking USB Type-C as their host to suck on and make it useless for people who really using it.
How are you going to kick out Intel from the USB-IF, when it was Intel who designed USB in the first place :laugh: ?? Not only that, Intel also donated thunderbolt3 to the USB-IF for USB4 to be able to add pcie tunneling and 40 gbps speeds. Intel also wrote most of the USB4 drivers for the Linux Kernel. But yet you want to kick them out.

Also, what is your issue with thunderbolt? It works just fine on my box, it’s an externalization of the pcie bus, and is very versatile… rather than take up room inside a case, I can externally install some of my pcie devices (such as an Aquantia 10gbps lan adapter and nvme storage). And with a thunderbolt 4 hub, I can add 3 additional thunderbolt4 ports. This is extremely flexible and versatile. And when USB4 finally comes, it will bring thunderbolt-like functionality to the masses. This is a good thing.
 

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And when USB4 finally comes, it will bring thunderbolt-like functionality to the masses. This is a good thing.
But how many percent of people will know that and how many will use it?
 
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And yet, it will only be understood by those with an IQ over 99 and the tech savvy. I even venture to guess there will be those that still say this is too complicated, the 'I want only one cable to understand" crowd.
You'd probably be surprised that IQ has little to do with computer or electrical engineering knowledge. Many people (rightfully so) just need one cable that just works, which all in all isn't that hard to achieve, only if manufacturers weren't too cheap to cut every cent during cable manufacturing.

How are you going to kick out Intel from the USB-IF, when it was Intel who designed USB in the first place :laugh: ?? Not only that, Intel also donated thunderbolt3 to the USB-IF for USB4 to be able to add pcie tunneling and 40 gbps speeds. Intel also wrote most of the USB4 drivers for the Linux Kernel. But yet you want to kick them out.

Also, what is your issue with thunderbolt? It works just fine on my box, it’s an externalization of the pcie bus, and is very versatile… rather than take up room inside a case, I can externally install some of my pcie devices (such as an Aquantia 10gbps lan adapter and nvme storage). And with a thunderbolt 4 hub, I can add 3 additional thunderbolt4 ports. This is extremely flexible and versatile. And when USB4 finally comes, it will bring thunderbolt-like functionality to the masses. This is a good thing.
Another case in point why intel is the root of all evil. No '/s' this time.
 
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But how many percent of people will know that and how many will use it?
I suspect that the people who need that type of versatility and connectivity will utilize it first, as they are the types of users who are most likely to “be in the know”, so to speak. And over time consumer awareness will grow as to USB4 is compatible with thunderbolt. I purchased a certified USB4 40 gbps cable the other day (just for kicks and giggles) and low and behold, it works just fine with my thunderbolt gear. This is excellent. The cable was longer and cheaper than thunderbolt4 cables. USB4 will put downward price pressure on high speed (40 gbps) gear.

All that‘s needed now is for non-Intel USB4 solutions to come to market, as Intel has implemented USB4 in its Goshen Ridge / Maple Ridge controllers. I mean controllers in docks/hubs, and on hosts such as AMD motherboards and other peripherals as well. Once that happens, USB4 will proliferate. It might take a few years, but the backend infrastructure is starting to crystallize. Work has been done to bring up USB4 drivers for the Linux kernel (thanks to Intel and others), and I suspect they are for Windows as well. Also, displayport 2.0 will work over USB4 / thunderbolt4.

The future is bright for USB-C, thunderbolt, and USB4. Long live USB. I just hope the confusion in regards to USB-c cables is cleared up. A customer purchasing a USB-C cable should know clearly know what charging speeds and what data speeds are supported by the cable they are purchasing. Same thing with the USB-c port on their device(s).
 
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Hence the E-mark chip, as initial Voltage is only 5V and no more than 3A. Higher Voltages can only be accessed after the charger and the device have made trade negotiations and agreed on reasonable terms for both sides negotiated what can be delivered and what the device needs.

That's good to know, it will definitely keep one safe. And those trade negotiations cracked me up lol.

USB is not a wall socket, it handshakes at 5V or below and then checks with your USB chip if it can shock you at 48V :p

Ya, what LS said above. Good to know.


48V is really dangerous. It's chosen as a standard voltage for a reason, especially common in telco/datacenter equipment.

But remember! It's the current that kills, not voltage!
It's that handshake at 5v which makes it safe, as the others have explained, above. 48v is plenty enough voltage to generate that killer current, depending on the body's resistance and where it's applied. I've touched just 40v before on some really old equipment when I was much younger and could just about feel it if I pressed the wires a little - it wasn't pleasant. One can imagine how that would feel with the wet hands scenario and a weak heart...
 

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I suspect that the people who need that type of versatility and connectivity will utilize it first, as they are the types of users who are most likely to “be in the know”, so to speak. And over time consumer awareness will grow as to USB4 is compatible with thunderbolt. I purchased a certified USB4 40 gbps cable the other day (just for kicks and giggles) and low and behold, it works just fine with my thunderbolt gear. This is excellent. The cable was longer and cheaper than thunderbolt4 cables. USB4 will put downward price pressure on high speed (40 gbps) gear.

All that‘s needed now is for non-Intel USB4 solutions to come to market, controllers in docks/hubs, and on hosts such as AMD motherboards and other peripherals as well. Once that happens, USB4 will proliferate. It might take a few years, but the drivers for the Linux kernel are ready (thanks to Intel and others), I suspect they are for Windows as well. Also, displayport 2.0 will work over USB4 / thunderbolt4. The future is bright for USB-C, thunderbolt, and USB4. Long live USB .
But how do people find out about it? We know about it because we hang on sites like this and are interested in tech.
My SO has a Dell work notebook with Thunderbolt USB-C ports, but she doesn't have a single Thunderbolt device that I'm aware of, although her office dock might use it.
She works in tech marketing, but don't really care about the details of things like what ports her notebook has, as long as they work. I think this is true for most people, so they'll get hardware with fancy interfaces and keep using them like they did with their last three computers, without shedding a thought about what else that port might deliver.
This is also why I think we see so many phones with USB 2.0 data speeds, even though USB-C is pretty much used on 99% of phones today, Apple not included.

Also, it's lo and behold ;)
 
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And yet, it will only be understood by those with an IQ over 99 and the tech savvy. I even venture to guess there will be those that still say this is too complicated, the 'I want only one cable to understand" crowd.
It’s funny and sad at the same time
 
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But how do people find out about it? We know about it because we hang on sites like this and are interested in tech.
My SO has a Dell work notebook with Thunderbolt USB-C ports, but she doesn't have a single Thunderbolt device that I'm aware of, although her office dock might use it.
She works in tech marketing, but don't really care about the details of things like what ports her notebook has, as long as they work. I think this is true for most people, so they'll get hardware with fancy interfaces and keep using them like they did with their last three computers, without shedding a thought about what else that port might deliver.
This is also why I think we see so many phones with USB 2.0 data speeds, even though USB-C is pretty much used on 99% of phones today, Apple not included.

Also, it's lo and behold ;)
Customers will find out about it like they find out about other products and services… through advertising, word of mouth, and so on. When USB first came out, a lot of people didn’t know about it (remember PS/2 ports?), yet now USB is ubiquitous, it’s everywhere. When smartphones were first out, back when Microsoft and Blackberry were dominant, many consumers still had flip phones at best and didn’t know what a “smartphone” was. Then came the iPhone and Android, and the rest, as they say, is history.

It is the same with USB4 and beyond. It may take a few years but eventually most consumers will become educated in regards to the capabilities. Most consumers don’t need 40 gbps or higher speeds, but the versatility of USB-c, i.e., the ability to tunnel various protocols on the same wire (pcie, DisplayPort, USB, thunderbolt, Ethernet, power delivery), is what will make it indispensable in the future. In many ways, us techies are early adopters of this tech (in particular the high data rates of thunderbolt, USB4), but eventually it will work its way to the masses.

Just the fact alone that now up to 240W of charging will be possible will cement the utility and ubiquity of USB. It’s already starting to happen. Many new cars are now coming with USB-C ports for data and fast charging. Portable batteries have usb-c ports. Most Android phones have USB-C. It’s starting to proliferate, and rightfully so. My USB-C chargers are way more versatile than their USB-A predecessors. Devices negotiate the necessary charging voltage / amperage, and my chargers can supply 20V, 15V, 9V, or 5V depending on the device’s needs… it’s a beautiful thing to see, in my opinion. Long live USB.
 
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Customers will find out about it like they find out about other products and services… through advertising, word of mouth, and so on. When USB first came out, a lot of people didn’t know about it (remember PS/2 ports?), yet now USB is ubiquitous, it’s everywhere. When smartphones were first out, back when Microsoft and Blackberry were dominant, many consumers still had flip phones at best and didn’t know what a “smartphone” was. Then came the iPhone and Android, and the rest, as they say, is history.

It is the same with USB4 and beyond. It may take a few years but eventually most consumers will become educated in regards to the capabilities. Most consumers don’t need 40 gbps or higher speeds, but the versatility of USB-c, i.e., the ability to tunnel various protocols on the same wire (pcie, DisplayPort, USB, thunderbolt, Ethernet, power delivery), is what will make it indispensable in the future. In many ways, us techies are early adopters of this tech (in particular the high data rates of thunderbolt, USB4), but eventually it will work its way to the masses.

Just the fact alone that now up to 240W of charging will be possible will cement the utility and ubiquity of USB. It’s already starting to happen. Many new cars are now coming with USB-C ports for data and fast charging. Portable batteries have usb-c ports. Most Android phones have USB-C. It’s starting to proliferate, and rightfully so. My USB-C chargers are way more versatile than their USB-A predecessors. Devices negotiate the necessary charging voltage / amperage, and my chargers can supply 20V, 15V, 9V, or 5V depending on the device’s needs… it’s a beautiful thing to see, in my opinion. Long live USB.
PS/2 is an IBM standards, before it, we use AT keyboard connectors and serial ports for mice...
So yeah, I remember a lot of dead interfaces.
Even so, USB wasn't even particularly popular when it launched, mostly due to lack of devices and the fact that very few PCs came with it as standard.
In fact, USB 1.0 wasn't even all that great and it was considered vastly inferior to FireWire that landed a couple of years earlier.
USB 1.1 was when USB became an interface that people started using, but that was two and a half years after USB 1.0 launched, so things could've gone very differently if Intel hadn't pushed the standard as hard as they did.

Yeah, you're missing a few years of phone history there, Ericsson and Nokia invented the smartphone, but whatever...
If you're going to give someone a history lesson, at least try and get things right ;)

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the features offered, I'm simply saying that most people are unlikely to 1. discover them on their own and 2. ever really use them.
USB replaced something like half a dozen interfaces that weren't really interoperable and ended up with a very simple connector design. This appealed to consumers, although if you look at something like the industrial PC market, serial ports are still very popular due to how robust they are in comparison and for the small fact that you can lock the connector in place with screws.

The whole tunneling thing you're so keen on, isn't going to matter to 90% of people, as they don't use their devices like some/many of us here do.
Yes, it's nice, but we've already seen Samsung make and dump their Linux OS for Android devices that was meant to double as a PC replacement kind of thing with a docking system, since people weren't keen on it and it made things too complicated.

I wish our car had come with a USB-C port, but it has a useless 5V 500mA USB-A port that doesn't even provide enough power to keep my phone charged when I used it for navigation...
USB-A chargers also negotiate the charging Voltage and current... Unless you got some crappy dollar shop charger. In all fairness though, they don't tend to deliver more than 9 or 12V.
 
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In fact, USB 1.0 wasn't even all that great and it was considered vastly inferior to FireWire that landed a couple of years earlier.
USB 1.1 was when USB became an interface that people started using, but that was two and a half years after USB 1.0 launched, so things could've gone very differently if Intel hadn't pushed the standard as hard as they did.
Iomega Zip Disks and later Jaz disks, I owned each at one time, external drives were 1.1/2.0 USB ( and the other interfaces too). There might have been a printer or two using USB back then.

Several friends had these drives too, so we would trade music and other things. Then DVDs happened and that was the end of that.
 
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Iomega Zip Disks and later Jaz disks, I owned each at one time, external drives were 1.1/2.0 USB ( and the other interfaces too). There might have been a printer or two using tUSB back then.

Several friends had these drives too, so we would trade music and other things. Then DVDs happened and that was the end of that.
Meh, SCSI was the interface to use, it would cost a bunch more for no tangible benefit...
The worst version must've been the parallel port version, those were a PITA to get working.
Never actually owned one, but they were used frequently at work for backup.

I remember when they launched the clik! drive, later PocketZip, Agfa made a digital camera using those, it was awful. To small capacity, to slow and by then, mostly pointless.

I got one of these oddities though, was meant for my old man to use as backup, but he never figured out how to use it...
 

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I've seen websites bagging this out, but it seems simple enough to me

It shows clearly if its 240W, 40Gb, or both.
 

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I've seen websites bagging this out, but it seems simple enough to me

It shows clearly if its 240W, 40Gb, or both.
Yes, the logos are clear enough, but it doesn't matter when the cable and device makers don't use them. How can you tell without them and be certain that a device meets what the manufacturer claims?
Have a look on Amazon,I couldn't find a single cable that displays the certification logo, so unless you go to a physical store, you'd never know until the cable arrives and maybe not even then.
The USB-IF needs to enforce the use of these logos, which it doesn't.
 

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Yes, the logos are clear enough, but it doesn't matter when the cable and device makers don't use them. How can you tell without them and be certain that a device meets what the manufacturer claims?
Have a look on Amazon,I couldn't find a single cable that displays the certification logo, so unless you go to a physical store, you'd never know until the cable arrives and maybe not even then.
The USB-IF needs to enforce the use of these logos, which it doesn't.
You wont yet, because these new cables dont exist yet

expect them to start showing up soon, and official logos to be everywhere once tech sites start saying only buy products with the logo
 

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You wont yet, because these new cables dont exist yet

expect them to start showing up soon, and official logos to be everywhere once tech sites start saying only buy products with the logo
Yeah, I know, but even the current logos aren't being used as intended.
 
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48V is really dangerous. It's chosen as a standard voltage for a reason, especially common in telco/datacenter equipment.

But remember! It's the current that kills, not voltage!
... Ummm... yeah.

That would be .19A between both hands.

So 48V @5A... this could be tricky!:(
 
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expect them to start showing up soon, and official logos to be everywhere once tech sites start saying only buy products with the logo
So, when does TPU start saying 'only buy products with the logo'? I'm desperately looking for a certified 6ft 120W 5 or 10Gbps cable.
 

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48V is really dangerous. It's chosen as a standard voltage for a reason, especially common in telco/datacenter equipment.

But remember! It's the current that kills, not voltage!
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How are you going to kick out Intel from the USB-IF, when it was Intel who designed USB in the first place :laugh: ?? Not only that, Intel also donated thunderbolt3 to the USB-IF for USB4 to be able to add pcie tunneling and 40 gbps speeds. Intel also wrote most of the USB4 drivers for the Linux Kernel. But yet you want to kick them out.

Also, what is your issue with thunderbolt? It works just fine on my box, it’s an externalization of the pcie bus, and is very versatile… rather than take up room inside a case, I can externally install some of my pcie devices (such as an Aquantia 10gbps lan adapter and nvme storage). And with a thunderbolt 4 hub, I can add 3 additional thunderbolt4 ports. This is extremely flexible and versatile. And when USB4 finally comes, it will bring thunderbolt-like functionality to the masses. This is a good thing.
Yes, Intel needed to be kicked out of USB Forum, because Intel are destroying Universality of USB. Intel can have Thunderbolt, just they need to develop new connector for the Thunderbolt that works with only thunderbolt and will not change in every 2 generation.

Also thunderbolt is not a plug-n-play for many thunderbolt docks still unlike USB. Also Thunderbolt is not a open Standard like USB, you cannot develop Thunderbolt controller. If AMD or VIA or Realtek want to develop a Thunderbolt controller they cant do that with Thunderbolt, but they can develop their own USB controller if they like. What Thunderbolt is doing is that, they came to your house, then kicked you from your own house and now pretending like they are the real owner of the house and you are and outsider.

Thunderbolt and USB both can exist but on different connector.
 
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