AMD Confirms "Zen 3" with 64 MB 3DV Cache for Q1-2022, "Zen 4" Later, PCIe Gen5 + DDR5

N3M3515 · Oct 20, 2021

Q1 2022?, so when is ryzen 4 going to arrive? 2023? i smell trouble for AMD.

windwhirl · Oct 20, 2021

N3M3515 said:
Q1 2022?, so when is ryzen 4 going to arrive? 2023? i smell trouble for AMD.

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So, that's like 9 months to choose

N3M3515 · Oct 20, 2021

windwhirl said:
According to TPU's Upcoming Hardware Launches, Mid/Late 2022

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So, that's like 9 months to choose

So what's zen 3 with 3d cache for?, no smart person would buy it when zen 4 is around the corner...

Tomorrow · Oct 20, 2021

N3M3515 said:
So what's zen 3 with 3d cache for?, no smart person would buy it when zen 4 is around the corner...

Umm all AM4 owners who do not wish to change platform and RAM?

windwhirl · Oct 20, 2021

N3M3515 said:
So what's zen 3 with 3d cache for?, no smart person would buy it when zen 4 is around the corner...

Zen4 will not work on AM4, so this Zen3+VCache will be the last product line for AM4. I'm considering getting one to upgrade my 3600 to whatever the equivalent for a 5900X + Vcache is named

TheoneandonlyMrK · Oct 20, 2021

N3M3515 said:
So what's zen 3 with 3d cache for?, no smart person would buy it when zen 4 is around the corner...

I dunno ddr5 isn't going to be cheap for a year or two post release.
And some of us allowed for in step upgrades until a board swap is actually needed.

lexluthermiester · Oct 20, 2021

N3M3515 said:
Q1 2022?, so when is ryzen 4 going to arrive? 2023? i smell trouble for AMD.

Then you should not trust your sense of smell. AMD will be fine.

N3M3515 said:
So what's zen 3 with 3d cache for?, no smart person would buy it when zen 4 is around the corner...

That's your opinion and not a very good one. Current Ryzen CPU's are a great purchase choice as they will provide excellent performance for at least the next 4 years and the new lot with the VCache will be even better.

N3M3515 · Oct 20, 2021

lexluthermiester said:
That's your opinion and not a very good one. Current Ryzen CPU's are a great purchase choice as they will provide excellent performance for at least the next 4 years and the new lot with the VCache will be even better.

It's like you did not even know what i'm talking about. You did not understand.

MarcusNumb · Oct 20, 2021

lexluthermiester said:
Well, technically, it has two. The Ryzen 5xxx CPU's and these new ones.

I know but upgrading 3600x to 5600x is not really worth it, imo. The 5800x is kinda too hot and 5900x o 5950x are absolutely way too much. BTW, it will be the last cpu for am4 so I'm looking foward to something worth upgrading then stay with them for the next 5 to 7 years before thinking about changing my rig.

lexluthermiester · Oct 20, 2021

MarcusNumb said:
I know but upgrading 3600x to 5600x is not really worth it, imo. The 5800x is kinda too hot

The 5800X is not that hot, even under load and while you're right, the 5600X is not a good upgrade from a 3600X, a 5800X is. With the VCache models coming it might be wise to see what they have to offer.

MarcusNumb said:
BTW, it will be the last cpu for am4 so I'm looking foward to something worth upgrading then stay with them for the next 5 to 7 years before thinking about changing my rig.

True, the VCache models will be the last for socket AM4. That does not mean that AM4 is a bad choice. I just means that people getting into a rig based on it will have to accept that the upgrade path will be limited to faster CPU's in the that lineup. This dynamic has been the same since the days of the 40pin 8086.

TheoneandonlyMrK · Oct 20, 2021

MarcusNumb said:
I know but upgrading 3600x to 5600x is not really worth it, imo. The 5800x is kinda too hot and 5900x o 5950x are absolutely way too much. BTW, it will be the last cpu for am4 so I'm looking foward to something worth upgrading then stay with them for the next 5 to 7 years before thinking about changing my rig.

Great that's you covered!?.

Intel buyers take it for granted they'll update board every other week

Others bought the upgrade path like me 5990x or weva with 3dvcache is a decent upgrade from a 3800X, and before the reply I don't just Game either, it will be used here.

Then wait till ddr5 is actually better than top bin ddr4 and the right price, then update again.

windwhirl · Oct 20, 2021

TheoneandonlyMrK said:
Great that's you covered!?.

Intel buyers take it for granted they'll update board every other week

Others bought the upgrade path like me 5990x or weva with 3dvcache is a decent upgrade from a 3800X, and before the reply I don't just Game either, it will be used here.

Then wait till ddr5 is actually better than top bin ddr4 and the right price, then update again.

Kinda planning the same: get a 5900X with Vcache to replace my current 3600 (non-X) and hold on to that system for a few years. I'll give it some use with WCG, a VM or two, and some gaming too, but it doesn't justify going for a 5950X so, I'm willing to go up to a 12core and call it a few years lol

seth1911 · Oct 20, 2021

yotano211 said:
If you dont like AMD that much, why are you using a A10 7870K for your processor.

AMD was a good Company in Old Days, but today its in my opinion totaly garbage

TheoneandonlyMrK · Oct 20, 2021

seth1911 said:
AMD was a good Company in Old Days, but today its in my opinion totaly garbage

And the relevance of that answer to his question is?! Or the relevance of it to this thread is?!.

Hold up, Are you saying that Kaveri was the golden age?! I gotta big, belly laughing wtaf for that thought.

lexluthermiester · Oct 20, 2021

seth1911 said:
but today its in my opinion totaly garbage

I can not agree with this AMD is knocking it out of the park in many area's of computing. Innovative products, solid product advancement, customer based support AND taking customer input onboard. AMD is a great company presently!

InVasMani · Oct 20, 2021

Tomorrow said:
Umm all AM4 owners who do not wish to change platform and RAM?

This and even just the latter situation of not wanting to discard ram though due to frequency scaling, PCIE 5.0, pricing, and IMC performance I have a feeling Alder Lake will be more compelling for me personally. It's better suited for what I'm after.

medi01 · Oct 20, 2021

Please, AMD, do not do the "mix size cores" bazinga.

What the heck is the point in a world where H series CPU notebooks last 10+ hours???

lexluthermiester · Oct 20, 2021

medi01 said:
Please, AMD, do not do the "mix size cores" bazinga.

What the heck is the point in a world where H series CPU notebooks last 10+ hours???

I think you're missing some context. This article & thread is about the desktop CPU line. They didn't focus on the mobile lineup.

yotano211 · Oct 20, 2021

seth1911 said:
AMD was a good Company in Old Days, but today its in my opinion totaly garbage

AMD was last good over 10yrs ago, today its a good company that has been turned around.
Why do you hate them, give a reason.

Wirko · Oct 20, 2021

lexluthermiester said:
True, the VCache models will be the last for socket AM4. That does not mean that AM4 is a bad choice. I just means that people getting into a rig based on it will have to accept that the upgrade path will be limited to faster CPU's in the that lineup. This dynamic has been the same since the days of the 40pin 8086.

Even after Zen 4 launches, AMD probably won't be able to order as many 5 nm wafers as they would like, so supply will be tight. It's only logical that they keep improving whatever they have on 7 nm, for both desktops and servers. Some HPC customers might be very interested in Epyc Milan processors with three times the cache.

MarcusNumb · Oct 20, 2021

lexluthermiester said:
The 5800X is not that hot, even under load and while you're right, the 5600X is not a good upgrade from a 3600X, a 5800X is. With the VCache models coming it might be wise to see what they have to offer.

True, the VCache models will be the last for socket AM4. That does not mean that AM4 is a bad choice. I just means that people getting into a rig based on it will have to accept that the upgrade path will be limited to faster CPU's in the that lineup. This dynamic has been the same since the days of the 40pin 8086.

I'm not saying AMD is a bad choice, on the contrary my last gpu was the 5700xt, I totally support them to challenge Intel the way they are doing with Zen CPUs. On the gpu side, I upgraded to a 3070ti simply because I was able to sell my 5700xt for 600euros, after 1 year using it, and bought that 3070ti for 850euros. BTW, I'm gaming on 1080p so I'm really hoping for a 5700 version with V Cache so it will be perfect for my rig. If not then I'll have to consider the 5600x o 5800x with V Cache. Let's see how AMD surprises us.

medi01 · Oct 21, 2021

lexluthermiester said:
I think you're missing some context. This article & thread is about the desktop CPU line. They didn't focus on the mobile lineup.

Intel is about to introduce smaller cores for desktop.
If it doesn't make sense for mobile world, it makes even less sense in desktops.

lexluthermiester · Oct 21, 2021

medi01 said:
Intel is about to introduce smaller cores for desktop.
If it doesn't make sense for mobile world, it makes even less sense in desktops.

We'll see. Some say it's a good idea. I personally see potential if they do it right. Time and testing will tell.

seth1911 · Oct 21, 2021

TheoneandonlyMrK said:
And the relevance of that answer to his question is?! Or the relevance of it to this thread is?!.

Hold up, Are you saying that Kaveri was the golden age?! I gotta big, belly laughing wtaf for that thought.

Dont tell things that im not write and say. Ignored :laugh:

Wirko · Oct 21, 2021

lexluthermiester said:
We'll see. Some say it's a good idea. I personally see potential if they do it right. Time and testing will tell.

I agree. I expect four E cores to be able to process more instructions per seconds than one P core, possibly at lower power consumption, while taking up the same chip area.

And yes, the "time" component matters a lot here. Chances of Intel + MS having an (almost) flawless scheduler ready by 4th November 2021 are small.

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