Intel Xe-HPG Arc Alchemist Graphics Card Alleged Pricing Points Towards $650-$825 Range

[Testsubject01]

While Intel is clearly out of touch with reality, I have to say that this is a very unfortunate time to enter this market anyway. So if they screw up, at least it wont be their fault entirely.

Unfortunate how? Nvidia and AMD are selling 6600's and 3060s like hotcakes. The market is starved for graphics -- if you're going to release a turd and have it sell out now is the best time ever. They almost can't screw it up.

This is the "unfortunate" truth. If those cards can mine, there is a virtually infinite demand for them at very juice margins. Intel is doing the same thing AMD, NVIDIA and third-party companies are doing, trying to get as big a slice from the miners as they can manage. ETH just shifted their switch to PoS again. (to 2022, since 2017).
Also, all of them are more than happy to set 400€-500€ as the new "midrange price bracket" and push everything above it further up, if this "demand" gets matched by production again.

 

[Ravenas]

Disregarding that the 6800 Xt exists(and might as well since both models cost nearly the same right now), several of the 6900s just different have coolers, with minor or no changes to the reference pcb. Buildzoid made a video breakdown of most the 6900 XT pcbs, Sapphire was the worst offender as they only stretched the reference pcb to add RGB lighting. Even then the ones that can longer be considered reference are just new cooler, slight overclock, barely any or no changes to the pcb IMO that doesn't justify costing 50%- 90% more. Since their sitting on the store shelf I'm not the only one who shares this opinion.

Actually 4 of the cards are XTXH binned chips. You can have an opinion, with no data, that's fine. Regardless, the post by trparky was directed at saying they (AMD cards) were unicorns that aren't in stock and couldn't be bought. As I have already said and referenced, not just stating an opinion for the sake of forum points, they are in stock, and they are available.

If you want to talk about unicorns that can't be bought, then you should reference the 3090.

 

[dayne878]

We'll see whether these are both in stock and anywhere close to the MSRP when they come out. I'm only watching these cards to see what effect they might have on Nvidia card prices. I have a g-sync monitor so I'm not going to leave Nvidia, but if the Intel cards make the 3080 come down in price and have greater availability I'll be happy. I want to upgrade from a 2080ti so 3080 and up is all I'm willing to consider. Reasonably priced 3080s are nowhere to be found.

 

[thomaskoelln]

Intel's GPU is being fabbed by TSMC as well. Do people really expect good prices and availability?

 

[Konceptz]

It always annoys me when companies price something at $900....just say you want $1,000 and be honest.

 

[Totally]

Actually 4 of the cards are XTXH binned chips. You can have an opinion, with no data, that's fine. Regardless, the post by trparky was directed at saying they (AMD cards) were unicorns that aren't in stock and couldn't be bought. As I have already said and referenced, not just stating an opinion for the sake of forum points, they are in stock, and they are available.

If you want to talk about unicorns that can't be bought, then you should reference the 3090.

That's semantics, then may I point to ebay where you can buy all the 3090s you want?

 

[Ravenas]

That's semantics, then may I point to ebay where you can buy all the 3090s you want?

In the context of us purchasing retail, no, in the context of buying on eBay sure. It's worth what the buyer believes it to be.

 

[Totally]

In the context of us purchasing retail, no, in the context of buying on eBay sure. It's worth what the buyer believes it to be.

I'd say you are drawing a distinction between eBay and retailers that does not exist, as long as the product is NEW it's perceived worth to the buyer will be the same no matter where it comes from.

 

[GURU7OF9]

Intel will be looking at the timing of their very own graphics card release as they,"'completely lucked out". Considering there is a massive shortage firstly from miners and secondly lack of chips, they will be looking at it as a licence to print money! And they lurrrrv $$$$$$$$.
There is such a shortage at the moment of graphics cards, it would have to be extremely bad for it to not sell like hot cakes!

 

[Ravenas]

I'd say you are drawing a distinction between eBay and retailers that does not exist, as long as the product is NEW it's perceived worth to the buyer will be the same no matter where it comes from.

Perception versus reality. The is a difference whether you would like to perceive there to be or not. Example, new comes with certain benefits from most OEMs (with exception of a few) such as 3 warranties which are non-transferable. Personally, eBay is a place for me to sell of my aged computer equipment. As of late eBay has certainly been used as a tool for the last year to gobble up hard to obtain computer equipment / gaming equipment (most due to supply chain issues), and then markup due to supply versus demand. Example supply is so bad, and demand is so high, I was able to sell me Sapphire 5700 XT OC SE on eBay for $950. That's after owning it for two years and purchasing it new for $475.

At the end of day, I have no problem with people paying above MSRP, versus reference or oem, if that is the item they want.

 

[yotano211]

Perception versus reality. New comes with certain benefits from most OEMs (with exception of a few) such as 3 warranties which are non-transferable. Personnaly, eBay is a place for me to sell of my aged computer equipment. As of late eBay has certainly been used as a tool for the last year to gobble up hard to obtain computer equipment / gaming equipment (most due to supply chain issues), and then mark up due to supply versus demand. Example supply is so bad, and demand is so high, I was able to sell me Sapphire 5700 XT OC SE on eBay for $950. That's after owning it for two years, and purchasing it new for $475.

At the end of day, I have no problem with people paying above MSRP, versus reference or oem, if that is the item they want.

I used to make a full time living selling on eBay, until I got bored and import taxes/fees increased so I had to find another income source.
EBay is not a retailer, it's a online swap meet, Amazon is a retailer. EBay and Amazon have different customer base.

 

[seth1911]

2021 is funny:


PS4 Slim 220€

GTX 1050ti 250€

Amd RX 560 not aviable at all


There is enough space for intel to bring a better GPU for 200€


Next month ill buy me a aecond hand ps4 pro and make a custom mod with watercooler, its cheaper than a 1650

 

[Zareek]

Stock:

Newegg,In Stock,Radeon RX 6000 Series Desktop Graphics Cards | Newegg.com

6900 XT - 13 in stock
6800 XT - 1 in stock
6700 XT - 2 in stock

For $1500 to $2000, excuse me while I remove the puke from my mouth!

Am I the only who feels like they fell asleep almost 2 years ago and woke up in the Twilight Zone?

 

[Ravenas]

For $1500 to $2000, excuse me while I remove the puke from my mouth!

You're excused?

You didn't understand the context of the post before posting. No one is telling you that the price is acceptable or that there is no reason you shouldn't buy. My reply was directed at trparky for saying that AMD aren't available, unicorns that couldn't be found / not in stock. They are in-stock and they are available.

 

[Zareek]

You're excused?

You didn't understand that context of the post before posting. No one is telling you that the price is acceptable or that there is no reason you shouldn't buy. My reply was directed at trparky for saying that AMD aren't available, unicorns that couldn't be found / not in stock. They are in-stock and they are available.

I understood but it was a shaky argument at best. It's a very black and white statement about a comment I perceived as colorful and light-hearted.

Just because I can find and afford to buy a $2000 graphics card that should cost less than half that does not mean I ever will. So to me, it is a unicorn as well. Honestly, I like to game but no graphics card is worth even $800. I don't see the value in it. I'd eagerly pay $500 for a 3070 right now, and I never thought I'd consider paying $500 for a graphics card. Who knows, maybe in a few years I'll think $1000 is reasonable, but I doubt that when I can buy a whole console for $500.

 

[Ravenas]

I understood but it was a shaky argument at best. It's a very black and white statement about a comment I perceived as colorful and light-hearted.

Just because I can find and afford to buy a $2000 graphics card that should cost less than half that does not mean I ever will. So to me, it is a unicorn as well. Honestly, I like to game but no graphics card is worth even $800. I don't see the value in it. I'd eagerly pay $500 for a 3070 right now, and I never thought I'd consider paying $500 for a graphics card. Who knows, maybe in a few years I'll think $1000 is reasonable, but I doubt that when I can buy a whole console for $500.

Colorful and light hearted perception is fine. A factual response was given with reference. Whether you perceive the items to be worth it is up to you. You don’t have to let me know either way. I was replying to misinformation.
You may perceive them to be unicorns, but they are certainly not.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Colorful and light hearted perception is fine. A factual response was given with reference. Whether you perceive the items to be worth it is up to you. You don’t have to let me know either way. I was replying to misinformation.
You may perceive them to be unicorns, but they are certainly not.

I actually agree with both of you. The thing is, anything that has ever been made and exists is for sale at some price. If one uses your logic, then everything that exists is always available and nothing is ever out of stock or unavailable.

I think you are pointing to a distinction without a difference.

i.e. "A colloquial expression employed by one wishing to recognize that while a linguistic or conceptual distinction exists between any number of options, any such distinction lacks substantive practical effect. "

 

[Ravenas]

I actually agree with both of you. The thing is, anything that has ever been made and exists is for sale at some price. If one uses your logic, then everything that exists is always available and nothing is ever out of stock or unavailable.

I think you are pointing to a distinction without a difference.

i.e. "A colloquial expression employed by one wishing to recognize that while a linguistic or conceptual distinction exists between any number of options, any such distinction lacks substantive practical effect. "

Where you buy the graphics card from does have a distinction with difference. There are many inherent benefits from buying from Newegg (or other authorized retailers), versus buying from an individual. The foremost difference being, you receive a warranty, except for EVGA.

The statement I made referenced buying cards from a retailer, Newegg specifically. That comes with all the benefits of buying from an authorized retailer. There are differences. People using that statement which was directed at a user who said they weren't available to try to twist arms to get a point across that they aren't available just can't accept the current state of hardware prices.

However, from a philosophical standpoint I will agree with you that anything can be bought if the seller wishes to sell, and the buyer determines what is reasonable. My reply to the OP wasn't being philosophical.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Where you buy the graphics card from does have a distinction with difference. There are many inherent benefits from buying from Newegg (or other authorized retailers), versus buying from an individual. The foremost difference being, you receive a warranty, except for EVGA.

The statement I made referenced buying cards from a retailer, Newegg specifically. That comes with all the benefits of buying from an authorized retailer. There are differences. People using that statement which was directed at a user who said they weren't available to try to twist arms to get a point across that they aren't available just can't accept the current state of hardware prices.

However, from a philosophical standpoint I will agree with you that anything can be bought if the seller wishes to sell, and the buyer determines what is reasonable. My reply to the OP wasn't being philosophical.

It doesn't make a difference. Newegg has simply jacked up their profit margin and price.

In my experience people speak differently about these things if say Wal-Mart jacks up the price for toilet paper to $200 a roll for the last 100 rolls they have in stock during a shortage. And you can bet there would be people who would pay that.

 

[mechtech]

Will we actually be able to buy these, or will they be like AMD and nVidia cards where you have a better chance of getting a unicorn?

If they are made by TSMC and good at mining, they will be like unicorns also lol

 

[Ravenas]

It doesn't make a difference. Newegg has simply jacked up their profit margin and price.

In my experience people speak differently about these things if say Wal-Mart jacks up the price for toilet paper to $200 a roll for the last 100 rolls they have in stock during a shortage. And you can bet there would be people who would pay that.

You are still trying to explain whether you think the prices are worth it or not. I'm not here to debate that.

 

[GURU7OF9]

If they are made by TSMC and good at mining, they will be like unicorns also lol

Whats the bet Intel has thrown stupid money at tsmc to prioritise their gpus over everything else (upto a point) . They know they will make a killing and won't care about miners buying them all up.
As long as they sell em all they will cash in big time!

 

[RandallFlagg]

Whats the bet Intel has thrown stupid money at tsmc to prioritise their gpus over everything else (upto a point) . They know they will make a killing and won't care about miners buying them all up.
As long as they sell em all they will cash in big time!

Actually Intel's best bet would be not to make them good for miners. Not in terms of sales perhaps. Mindshare, customer loyalty, market penetration, a driver for future CPU sales, basically.

 

[mechtech]

Whats the bet Intel has thrown stupid money at tsmc to prioritise their gpus over everything else (upto a point) . They know they will make a killing and won't care about miners buying them all up.
As long as they sell em all they will cash in big time!

who knows, but time will tell.

 

[trparky]

What's the bet Intel has thrown stupid money at TSMC to prioritize their GPUS over everything else (up to a point).

Actually, Apple is TSMC's number one customer. Based upon what I learned while buying something in an Apple Store this morning, even Apple is being hit by the chip shortages. iPhone stock, especially for their Pro models, are really low. The young woman who was helping me told me that people are having to wait as far out as the middle of November to get their iPhones. I told her that I guess it was a good idea that I stood outside the Apple Store for two hours like an idiot on launch day. She laughed as I said that.