Intel Core i5-12400F Allegedly Offers Ryzen 5 5600X Performance for 200 USD

[qcmadness]

What that screenshot shows is that Intel 10 nm is roughly on par with TSMC 7 nm in terms of density.

But real world silicon are far less density than the SRAM demonstration, for both Intel and AMD. So you could not use these figures to figure out the real transistor density for Intel and AMD CPUs.

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

if it 200$ for real, then that's going to be a bargain, but then so will AMD cut prices of the 5600X, and when we look at how stupid expensive Z690 are it almost dosnt look as appealing, maybe if intel B660 ? have good prices then people would be happy, but so far Alder lake improvements comes with a cost that almost devalues the platform for some

 

[londiste]

if it 200$ for real, then that's going to be a bargain, but then so will AMD cut prices of the 5600X, and when we look at how stupid expensive Z690 are it almost dosnt look as appealing, maybe if intel B660 ? have good prices then people would be happy, but so far Alder lake improvements comes with a cost that almost devalues the platform for some

Renoir is 9.8B transistors on 150mm², ~63MTr/mm²
Cezanne is 10.86B transistors on 176mm², ~62MTr/mm²

Intel has not publicized their CPU transistor counts for a long while now. If someone can find Alder Lake transistor count we can have a good estimation.
Alder Lake die size should be 215.25 mm² (8P+8E) or 162.75 mm² (6P+8E).

 

[dyonoctis]

I'm not sure if beating a 65W CPU with 120W os power consumption is beating at all.

I mean, sure, if you only look the performance charts, the 12900K sets score with the 5950X and even beats it on single core, but on the other hand, the 5950X is still limited to about 130W of power while the 12900K eats up almost 250W...

Pricing is of course another good viewpoint, but the plaing field is clearly not leveled. here. Just crank up a Ryzen to the same TDP levels where the Intel CPUs are and see the performance there for the buck.

But the 5600x doesn't cap at 65w:

 

[londiste]

But the 5600x doesn't cap at 65w:
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5600X has 76W power limit at stock.

 

[Why_Me]

"Intel Core i5-12400F Allegedly Offers Ryzen 5 5600X Performance for 200 USD" using twice as much watts, fixed hehe

The truth is painful to intel fanboys, yes performance is there but using twice as much watts? come on Intel you can do better than that, this is netburst all over hehe

The funny thing is that okay 200 usd 5600 performance but will have to use an aftermarket cooler that dissipates 300 watts and that is very expensive hehe, I wonder if a 360 aio can hold its own x 12400, pay attention that 12400 is the lowest of the lowest, so will still use 300 watts using only few cores ehhe

why intel, why intel, nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo hehe

Where are you seeing 300w for the i5 12400F?

 

[dyonoctis]

5600X has 76W power limit at stock.

In single thread that is true, but not in multithreading. Is it just me or people seems to have a hard time to give Intel any kind of win in any form ? We can get 5600x perf for 200$, but somehow people aren't happy about it... (CDH numbers are also for the whole system, not just the CPU)

 

[mechtech]

The strength of having your own fabs and capacity. You don’t have to pay the middle man mark up of the TSMC.

Should be good supply also since only fabbing their own chips and not stuff for 1/2 the world.

 

[persondb]

Wait till it actually gets announced, till then the 'allegedly' means jackshit. As in the performance might not be there or the price.

 

[londiste]

In single thread that is true, but not in multithreading. Is it just me or people seems to have a hard time to give Intel any kind of win in any form ? We can get 5600x perf for 200$, but somehow people aren't happy about it... (CDH numbers are also for the whole system, not just the CPU)
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It is also true in multithreading. Unless you have enabled PBO or motherboard does some "tuning" or something else of that sort. I have a 5600X that I made sure runs at stock and it has a power limit at 76W which works well enough. For idle and low-load consumption 5x00X is automatically worse than Intel due to 10-13W consumption by IO die.

Worth noting that some AMD 65W TDP CPUs are different from the norm which is generally power limit at 1.35x TDP. This is for example 142W for 105W TDP CPUs.

At the same time, my Intel CPUs have also been running at PL1 (usually equal to TDP) at stock with the short period of PL2. Again, unless motherboards do their own thing or we are talking about some stupid SKU like 12900K.

 

[defaultluser]

I'm not sure if beating a 65W CPU with 120W os power consumption is beating at all.

I mean, sure, if you only look the performance charts, the 12900K sets score with the 5950X and even beats it on single core, but on the other hand, the 5950X is still limited to about 130W of power while the 12900K eats up almost 250W...

Pricing is of course another good viewpoint, but the plaing field is clearly not leveled. here. Just crank up a Ryzen to the same TDP levels where the Intel CPUs are and see the performance there for the buck.

You're forgetting $239 5600G!

And since this one is already a lot closer to that price-point, it's going to be a lot tougher sell (they will probably drop 5600G to $200)!

And since both dies are being sourced from, Intel's limited 10nm production. , how much priority you thin these cheaper dies will get for release? I mean, Can you even find Tremont cores for sale in multiple systems a year after they were announced?

The cut Core i3 from that H die is probably 6 months out!

 

[Why_Me]

You're forgetting $239 5600G!

And since this one is already a lot closer to that price-point, it's going to be a lot tougher sell (they will probably drop 5600G to $200)!

And since both dies are being sourced from, Intel's limited 10nm production. , how much priority you thin these cheaper dies will get for release? I mean, Can you even find Tremont cores for sale in multiple systems a year after they were announced?

The cut Core i3 from that H die is probably 6 months out!

Does the 5600G support PCIe 4?

 

[defaultluser]

Does the 5600G support PCIe 4?

Do most low-end users actually care about this feature? these are the same customers who are likely to ditch DDr5 for DDR4 motherboards!

PCIe 3 x16 is still 99% the performance of x16 PCIe 4.0 (and it got a new lease on life now, with the cessation of all multi-GPU gaming)

Even for cut cards, there's no real difference

it's going to be another few generations before the performance of low-end GPUs exceeds the performance of x8 (5-10 years)

 

[TheUn4seen]

This should be a nice upgrade for my 9600k. Many people in the tech-bubble like to nitpick about CPUs and dismiss the "not the most expensive CPU in a family" as entry-level trash, but honestly, I don't see a reason to go higher than xx400 since the 10400 unless you need raw CPU performance locally. I have a "cheap and crappy" not even really overclocked 9600k, which I downgraded from the 9700k, paired with a 3080. For general usage it's more than enough; for games, at 2160p the GPU is the limiting factor, at lower resolutions even if CPU bottlenecked, I'm still well above the screen 120Hz refresh rate. If I need a lot of CPU power I use computers at work remotely.
If Intel makes 12400 with whatever iGPU, that's my sweet spot since I know I will need an iGPU down the line, probably after the next upgrade.

 

[cst1992]

Give me a compatible $100 motherboard and $50 RAM with it and make it run on a $40 PSU and then maybe I'll consider it.