Valve Delays Steam Deck Console Shipments to February

[Space Lynx]

I think where you've gone over the line is expecting a handheld device to be able to run Cyberpunk, which most consumer PCs with dedicated GPUs are unable to run at max settings. Current generation dGPUs are unable to run Cyberpunk at 4K max settings with 60 FPS without DLSS or FSR, and it scales accordingly based on the dGPU target user.

The Freesync argument and the ability to run Cyberpunk were two separated comments by you. I'm not here to discuss Freesync, I'm here to discuss your intent for running a game on a handheld device which is unable to be ran on current dGPUs properly. It's not just an opinion of the device being unacceptable because of its capability, it's trying to make something happen which isn't possible with current technology across the board.

Whether you want to get in a tick for tack on personal insults with other users is up to you, but at least keep your expectations based on reality.

However, just to step in to the Freesync argument. The device will likely not be producing frames much faster than the monitor will be displaying them, ESPECIALLY in regard to Cyberpunk. So, the desire for Freesync in regards to Cyberpunk is really just mute.

Then, I will say it again, Valve shouldn't be advertising that it can handle everything (they are in several news article interviews I read).

Freesync has nothing to do with frames in excess of the monitors refresh rate, it makes dips from 60 fps to 40 fps (which will happen a lot with a weak device like this) feel more smooth, you wouldn't notice the dips as often with freesync, freesync is critical for a device like this to feel smooth when gaming.

He insulted me first, so eh. I like what I like, and that is high refresh, nothing wrong with that.

Am I the one dipping my toe in threads about hardware I have clearly shown a dislike for, shitposting about others choices , despite the fact it's not out yet or reviewed?!.

I don't like the new Intel cores but you won't see me pop in every thread about them to call them shit just because I think they are.


Ewwww 30fps , check my epean it says no, wtaf, get out of your arse, Linus found 60 possible in most titles he tested, all, no, but my Vega64 doesn't do 60 FPS in cyberpunk either but AHH well.

I don't like the new Intel e-cores either. I will say, if Steam had added another $50-70 to the price tag and made it an OLED screen, due to the 0.1ms latency of OLED, freesync would not have been needed and overall quality and game immersion improved. Just my two cents though. Gaming is an Art Form, the hardware makers, sadly are usually not artists.

 

[15th Warlock]

Guys, stop feeding the trolls, obviously some people won't change their mind, that this argument has carried so far is really surprising.

The ones who ordered this system know exactly what we'll use it for, and have no false hopes of it delivering anything more than a fun PC experience, on a small form factor, we really have no need/desire to run the latest games maxed out at 100+ FPS on a system this small.

To pretend anyone can deliver such an experience with the current technology at a reasonable price, is nothing but to set your expectations too high, I for one don't see that happening for at least another 5 years or so.

Unless some miracle new battery technology, and/or extreme die process size and power consumption reduction, using exotic new materials is achieved, that will remain a pipe dream for now.

Yes, Valve could've gone with Zen 3, or even better, ported Steam to Apple's M1 SOC, or waited for Nvidia's next Tegra technology, idk, we can imagine all of these things happening, but fact is, no other company out there had the balls to do this and target such a low price point.

I'm grateful Valve did it, and even if this product fails, and there's never a follow up to it, in the worst case scenario, we'll still have a kickass emulation station, and a way to finally catch up with some of our old Steam library in a very convenient and accessible way.

 

[Franzen4Real]

to others that have this preordered-- Do you see where the expected delivery date is showing up in Steam? I can see the preorder in my purchase history but it has no reference to dates. I believe at the time of preorder I was in Q1 2022....(I think..)

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

to others that have this preordered-- Do you see where the expected delivery date is showing up in Steam? I can see the preorder in my purchase history but it has no reference to dates. I believe at the time of preorder I was in Q1 2022....(I think..)

My preorder says the same quarter Q2, still, no exact date though.

 

[Space Lynx]

Guys, stop feeding the trolls, obviously some people won't change their mind, that this argument has carried so far is really surprising.

The ones who ordered this system know exactly what we'll use it for, and have no false hopes of it delivering anything more than a fun PC experience, on a small form factor, we really have no need/desire to run the latest games maxed out at 100+ FPS on a system this small.

To pretend anyone can deliver such an experience with the current technology at a reasonable price, is nothing but to set your expectations too high, I for one don't see that happening for at least another 5 years or so.

Unless some miracle new battery technology, and/or extreme die process size and power consumption reduction, using exotic new materials is achieved, that will remain a pipe dream for now.

Yes, Valve could've gone with Zen 3, or even better, ported Steam to Apple's M1 SOC, or waited for Nvidia's next Tegra technology, idk, we can imagine all of these things happening, but fact is, no other company out there had the balls to do this and target such a low price point.

I'm grateful Valve did it, and even if this product fails, and there's never a follow up to it, in the worst case scenario, we'll still have a kickass emulation station, and a way to finally catch up with some of our old Steam library in a very convenient and accessible way.

I never claimed this should run games at high refresh... nice job of completely ignoring anything I said. Neat times we live in.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I never claimed this should run games at high refresh... nice job of completely ignoring anything I said. Neat times we live in.

Well you managed to completely ignore the Market the steam deck is aimed at, most sneak peaks of it , and a vast majority of comments that all say it's exactly what they are after.
You yourself have said high refresh is for you earlier, and high refresh alone,
"165 fps 165hz only for me. smooth as butta bb" exactly yet here you are, trolling much.

And you think I insulted You first, I called your Comments " vitreous and BS" not you.

 

[Ravenas]

Then, I will say it again, Valve shouldn't be advertising that it can handle everything (they are in several news article interviews I read).

Freesync has nothing to do with frames in excess of the monitors refresh rate, it makes dips from 60 fps to 40 fps (which will happen a lot with a weak device like this) feel more smooth, you wouldn't notice the dips as often with freesync, freesync is critical for a device like this to feel smooth when gaming.

He insulted me first, so eh. I like what I like, and that is high refresh, nothing wrong with that.



I don't like the new Intel e-cores either. I will say, if Steam had added another $50-70 to the price tag and made it an OLED screen, due to the 0.1ms latency of OLED, freesync would not have been needed and overall quality and game immersion improved. Just my two cents though. Gaming is an Art Form, the hardware makers, sadly are usually not artists.

Low framerate compensation was made available in Freesync Premium & Premium Pro. It's kind of a dumb feature. Anyone looking for a high refresh rate monitor will most purchase a dGPU which surpasses the frame target easily and will also be running in a resolution where this is guaranteed to 99% percentile.

Again, your Cyberpunk reference. Cyberpunk does not currently provide functionality for FSR. Frames will be low for a game using an APU. Refresh rate will be the least of your worries.

 

[Space Lynx]

Low framerate compensation was made available in Freesync Premium & Premium Pro. It's kind of a dumb feature. Anyone looking for a high refresh rate monitor will most purchase a dGPU which surpasses the frame target easily and will also be running in a resolution where this is guaranteed to 99% percentile.

Again, your Cyberpunk reference. Cyberpunk does not currently provide functionality for FSR. Frames will be low for a game using an APU. Refresh rate will be the least of your worries.

This is incorrect, even a RTX 3080 Ti can't run red dead redemption 2 at high enough frames to be "completely smooth to the eye" so freesync and gsync does help, even for a 3080 ti, I agree with you for most games though.

Well you managed to completely ignore the Market the steam deck is aimed at, most sneak peaks of it , and a vast majority of comments that all say it's exactly what they are after.
You yourself have said high refresh is for you earlier, and high refresh alone,
"165 fps 165hz only for me. smooth as butta bb" exactly yet here you are, trolling much.

And you think I insulted You first, I called your Comments " vitreous and BS" not you.

using terms like vitreous that you know most people will have to look up is in insult in itself. saying i love high refresh with some lovely language thrown in is not trolling, and I intend to do it until the day I die. give me that smooth pumpkin pie with whip cream on top ~

 

[Ravenas]

This is incorrect, even a RTX 3080 Ti can't run red dead redemption 2 at high enough frames to be "completely smooth to the eye" so freesync and gsync does help, even for a 3080 ti, I agree with you for most games though.

Again, you're referencing a game that will never reach 144 hz refresh rate / 144 fps on the Steam Link (and Steam link only supports 60 hz) and RDR2 doesn't have FSR capability, so it's the least of your worries.

The refresh rate argument for this device is just invalid. The argument for being able to run all games is valid.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

This is incorrect, even a RTX 3080 Ti can't run red dead redemption 2 at high enough frames to be "completely smooth to the eye" so freesync and gsync does help, even for a 3080 ti, I agree with you for most games though.



using terms like vitreous that you know most people will have to look up is in insult in itself. saying i love high refresh with some lovely language thrown in is not trolling, and I intend to do it until the day I die. give me that smooth pumpkin pie with whip cream on top ~

Kinda funny, I have actually raged at people for being Gramma tart's to me, not you, I'm common as muck and from Manchester where ER, means many things and everyone's a gangsta or Liam Gallagher, go figure, I wouldn't have thought that could happen.

I like high refresh, high Res all that good stuff, I'm just ok with scaling and variety too.

 

[InhaleOblivion]

to others that have this preordered-- Do you see where the expected delivery date is showing up in Steam? I can see the preorder in my purchase history but it has no reference to dates. I believe at the time of preorder I was in Q1 2022....(I think..)

If you go to the store on Steam. Search Steam Deck deposit or it's main page. You should see your preorder date below the option to cancel your preorder. Mine switched from Dec 2021 to Q2 2022 after the delay.

 

[Space Lynx]

Kinda funny, I have actually raged at people for being Gramma tart's to me, not you, I'm common as muck and from Manchester where ER, means many things and everyone's a gangsta or Liam Gallagher, go figure, I wouldn't have thought that could happen.

I like high refresh, high Res all that good stuff, I'm just ok with scaling and variety too.

I have no issues with Steam Deck, I just think Valve should be a little more careful with their marketing tactics.

 

[Franzen4Real]

If you go to the store on Steam. Search Steam Deck deposit or it's main page. You should see your preorder date below the option to cancel your preorder. Mine switched from Dec 2021 to Q2 2022 after the delay.

Ok I see it there, thanks. Mine has switched to just say “after Q2 2022”. Looks like Q2 deliveries must be as far out as they are currently able to estimate. I feel (hope) these are on the conservative side, as in under promise/over deliver. I just say that because Valve is saying a two month delay, but In your case it went Dec of Q4 ‘21 to Q2 ‘22 which is more like 4 months at the earliest.