LG and Samsung Said to Launch Smaller Sized OLED Displays in 2022

[ARF]

I prefer Panasonic and Sony.

I stay away from anything Samsung as far as I could possibly can

Even tend to buy a new Tesla 4K TV rather than anything Samsung...

 

[The red spirit]

They can launch all OLEDs that they want, I don't care until they solve burn in completely without hacks. They are okay in phones, because phones become obsolete in 6 years, but not in TV, which can last 10-15 years.

 

[bug]

They can launch all OLEDs that they want, I don't care until they solve burn in completely without hacks. They are okay in phones, because phones become obsolete in 6 years, but not in TV, which can last 10-15 years.

Actually they are ok for TVs, too. But you stay away, that'll show them.

 

[The red spirit]

Actually they are ok for TVs, too. But you stay away, that'll show them.

OLED Burn-In: A Problem That Has Now Been Solved?

OLED, for the last few years, has been one of the most highly regarded technologies for TV screens. Most of the world’s high-rated and most acclaimed TVs, in fact, have been OLED ones, especially those released by LG and Sony. However, ever since the launch of OLED, one particular scourge...

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Real-Life OLED Burn-In Test On 6 TVs

There are concerns about OLED long-term performance due to the possibility of burn-in. We bought 6 LG OLED C7s to play real, non-altered content. It should give you a better idea of what to expect depending on what you watch on your TV.

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Has OLED's burn-in problem been fixed?

As time goes on, burn-in solutions are only improving

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Thanks, LG and Sony: Can OLED Burn-In Damage Be Fixed?

A big problem to have.

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They still burn in, what do you mean it's OK? To me burn in is not OK. And I have nothing to show, other than apathy for stupid tech. I know that they won't survive my "unrealistic" workloads (so now using your TV as you want it being pushed as unrealistic?) and I really don't expect to them to survive a decade without some awful burn in. OLED panels were made to disposable and that's okay in phones, where they become trash along with obsolete tech in phone. That simply doesn't work with TV, which I expect to keep for decade or more, unless it's trash that dies before that.

 

[tehehe]

That's how you create returning customers, OLEDs have planned obsolescence built right into the panel, manufacturers don't even have to put electrolytic caps near the hottest parts of the power supply to ensure the product barely survives the warranty period. Great for sustained revenue stream.

Maybe in some fantasy where there is no competition. If you get bitten by or are afraid of burn-in you won't buy OLED but something else instead.

 

[Minus Infinity]

Given the cowards Panasonic pulled out of Australia and LG's atrocious build quality, it's even more important to have Samsung finally get into OLED to give some choice, not just Sony. However, I'm worried given the ludicrous pricing of Samsung's tarted up LCD TV's asking OLED money I'm afraid these real OLED's will be even more ludicrously priced.

 

[Sybaris_Caesar]

I prefer Panasonic and Sony.

I stay away from anything Samsung as far as I could possibly can

Even tend to buy a new Tesla 4K TV rather than anything Samsung...

Prefer Sony as well. It's overpriced as hell and the Koreans do better software than the Japanese. But Sony in all models are actually factory-calibrated and actually provides reliable after-sales compared to Samsung (at least in my country).

In other news, we have 60 Hz 3840*2160 OLED notebook panels. Where are the 240 Hz 1920*1080 OLED panels for laptops?

I think those laptop OLED panels are made by a Japanese joint-venture, not LG or Samsung. Lemme look it up.

 

[TheUn4seen]

Maybe in some fantasy where there is no competition. If you get bitten by or are afraid of burn-in you won't buy OLED but something else instead.

That's why, after having to buy new phone screens three times (and Samsung's screens cost almost the same as buying a new phone) and my wife's OLED equipped Thinkpad getting ruined after a few weeks I will not ever recommend OLED for any practical usage. Getting burned by OLED (pun not intended) is a fairly expensive ordeal, and marketing pushes them like it's the second coming of Jesus while glossing over the fact that is you use them for anything other than watching movies they will get ruined within months.

 

[chrcoluk]

The screen sizes are still way too big, waiting for 22-27 inch OLED.

 

[Garrus]

Its an insta buy. Let's be honest lol



The zones are the Quantum Dots, in this implementation so that is per pixel effectively. We have no information on the capability of the blue backplane. We also don't know how well the quantum dot will block light. Quite well, given Samsung's projected black level - as in 20X better than VA which can easily hit 0.01 with decent brightness.

But, and that is the key here.... the black level rises along with the peak brightness. So this puts a totally different dynamic on 'brighter OLED', because just like Samsung's QD displays on QLED, they produce rather shitty blacks at high brightness. With a true self-emitting diode, you're not blocking black, its just an 'absence of light' from the emitter.


Its good to note however that the technology will most likely end other LCD problems, slow pixel response times, backlight bleed, or visible colouration in the corners, something my current Samsung QLED TV is now well known for... its honestly the worst TV I've ever looked at/used. When I see Samsung Display... I now tend to be very careful buying into BS.

I'm not sure, if there is an LCD like layer over the OLED backlighting, you'll get per pixel zones, but not OLED level response times. I guess we'll all find out soon

 

[R-T-B]

They still burn in, what do you mean it's OK?

Not if you just uh... use a simple screensaver.

Given the cowards Panasonic pulled out of Australia and LG's atrocious build quality, it's even more important to have Samsung finally get into OLED to give some choice, not just Sony. However, I'm worried given the ludicrous pricing of Samsung's tarted up LCD TV's asking OLED money I'm afraid these real OLED's will be even more ludicrously priced.

My LGs build quality seems fine. Honestly there isn't much I own from them that has had poor build quality.

 

[WhoDecidedThat]

I doubt there will be any, it's a slowly dying resolution.
Asus is doing 2880x1800 on its 14-inch notebooks and they're 90Hz.

The resolution doesn't matter. I'll take 1440*900 too as long as it is 144 Hz or greater. But we don't have even 120 Hz laptop OLEDs, leave the thought of 144 or 240 Hz.

 

[The red spirit]

Not if you just uh... use a simple screensaver.

Tell that to every single TV channel with static logos and banners or any video game with HUD.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Tell that to every single TV channel with static logos and banners or any video game with HUD.

All modern TVs have pixel shifting, to reduce the chance of burn-in. It's obviously not perfect, but it's better than nothing.

 

[bug]

All modern TVs have pixel shifting, to reduce the chance of burn-in. It's obviously not perfect, but it's better than nothing.

They also got dimming when they detect a logo, but he doesn't let facts get in the way of whining.

 

[The red spirit]

All modern TVs have pixel shifting, to reduce the chance of burn-in. It's obviously not perfect, but it's better than nothing.

For those reasons I would rather see IPS or some other panel type improving rather than OLED. OLED is all cool and stuff, but its main problem is that as technology itself it is quite disposable and shouldn't be used in non disposable things. I have seen OLED burn ins many times. My phone (Note 3 Neo) has burn in after 5 years of service, my mom's S9 has burn in, early AMOLED phones had very fast burn in. I almost wanted to go with IPS or PLS phone this time, but ultimately decided to go with AMOLED again. For TV or monitor, I wouldn't pick OLED.

BTW I have LG 42LM640T, it is like 8-9 years old and I expect it to last 14-15 years. I previously had some LG CRT TV, which didn't last as long. It was fixed once, but in late lifespan it needed degaussing every time it was turned on. Before that I had some old Soviet era CRT TV, which was likely 30-40 years old and it worked fine. It might have been some kind of rear projection TV, but I can't recall that well.

They also got dimming when they detect a logo, but he doesn't let facts get in the way of whining.

The simple fact is that OLEDs burn in and with all that trickery still wouldn't outlast basic IPS display. But you can sure try to deny that.

 

[R-T-B]

Tell that to every single TV channel with static logos and banners or any video game with HUD.

I play video games with HUDS all the time. Have for nealy 2 years now.

 

[The red spirit]

I play video games with HUDS all the time. Have for nearly 2 years now.

I wonder what will happen after 8 years. 2 years are nothing for TV. Some people on Reddit report that after less than 1000 hours there's noticeable permanent burn in.

 

[R-T-B]

I wonder what will happen after 8 years. 2 years are nothing for TV. Some people on Reddit report that after less than 1000 hours there's noticeable permanent burn in.

Mostly C7 models before the red subpixel was enlarged yes. I am well over 1000 hours.

 

[The red spirit]

Mostly C7 models before the red subpixel was enlarged yes. I am well over 1000 hours.

Anyway, we will see that after 8 years. I still think that this is inherent problem of OLED, that no trickery will solve. For that matter, I think that burn in does apply to any panel technology that has separately lit pixels and subpixels, instead of one backlight. All LEDs over time dim. You would need to create something radically different from LEDs for them to not dim over time. Or just overspec the hell out of displays and limit maximum brightness, so that they can detect degradation and successfully compensate for it.

 

[londiste]

Burn-in is obviously problematic for using OLED TV as a monitor. Youtubers with the problem have mostly done nothing to even try to mitigate the problem though - high or maximum brightness, maximum OLED light, disabled ABL and sometimes disabled screensaver. When used a bit more conservatively, the problem should also be a lot less of a problem.

For TV use, the opinions seem to largely be divided by experience - people with OLED TVs are not seeing burn-in even after years, people without OLED TVs are afraid of burn-in

 

[R-T-B]

Burn-in is obviously problematic for using OLED TV as a monitor. Youtubers with the problem have mostly done nothing to even try to mitigate the problem though - high or maximum brightness, maximum OLED light, disabled ABL and sometimes disabled screensaver.

In my use case I've done all of that except turning off the screensaver.

 

[The red spirit]

For TV use, the opinions seem to largely be divided by experience - people with OLED TVs are not seeing burn-in even after years, people without OLED TVs are afraid of burn-in

That depends heavily on usage too. If you watch Netflix 2 or 3 times per week and one movie each time, then OLED may be just perfect, but if you watch TV a lot or game a lot, then OLED is clearly not fit for that. If you use TV for decade or more, you will inevitably see panel wearing out and I would expect that no matter what your usage was, OLEDs will have uneven lighting and some kind of logo, menu or banner burn in.

 

[londiste]

That depends heavily on usage too. If you watch Netflix 2 or 3 times per week and one movie each time, then OLED may be just perfect, but if you watch TV a lot or game a lot, then OLED is clearly not fit for that. If you use TV for decade or more, you will inevitably see panel wearing out and I would expect that no matter what your usage was, OLEDs will have uneven lighting and some kind of logo, menu or banner burn in.

I have a 2015 model LG OLED TV. Mostly usual TV usage - bunch of hours daily, TV, Netflix, plays stuff for background etc. Some gaming. Bought it second hand back in January 2017. It has been in my use for close to 5 years now. No problems, no burn-in, panel wearing out, no uneven lighting, no burned in logos. And that is an old model without bunch of the mitigations that came later.

On the other hand - have you had a TV for 10 years? I have, an LCD TV - it had severe burn-in at that point, panel worn out, uneven lighting, letterboxing, burned in logos etc

 

[bug]

The simple fact is that OLEDs burn in and with all that trickery still wouldn't outlast basic IPS display. But you can sure try to deny that.

OLED doesn't simply burn in. It can burn in if left with static, bright images for long periods of time. If you're of those people that think configuring the TV image is about setting brightness and contrast to 100%, sure, you'll run into problems.
One of my IPS displays is 11 years old and still going strong. And that a decade old tech. I'm not worried about OLED possibly developing problems in 7-8 years.