AMD and Intel Announce Online Press Events on January 4, 2022

[btarunr]

January 4, 2022 could be a date of major product announcements by both AMD and Intel as part of their International CES 2022 plans. Both companies will host virtual press-meets on that day, and are expected to unveil several product lines. AMD could shed more like on its Ryzen "Vermeer-S" Socket AM4 desktop processors, possible updates to its Ryzen 5000 mobile product stack; as well as put out some juicy nuggets of info on its future "Zen 4" processors; while Intel will significantly expand its 12th Gen Core "Alder Lake" family across both its desktop and mobile segments, along with more info on its Arc "Alchemist" gaming GPU. The AMD event is slated for 8 AM Pacific, while the Intel one goes up two hours later, at 10 AM Pacific. We will be live-blogging both.



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[Crackong]

New Threadripper plz

 

[watzupken]

If Zen 3 refresh is a decent step up from the current 5000 series with decent pricing (or at least maintain their current pricing), I think AMD will have a winner. While Alder Lake is a very strong competitor, the lack of DDR5/ DDR4 motherboard options, and software issues is taking a toll on demand. And to be honest, I believe the existing Ryzen 5000 is still selling well, even though it may not be moving as fast as it used to.

 

[ixi]

If Zen 3 refresh is a decent step up from the current 5000 series with decent pricing (or at least maintain their current pricing), I think AMD will have a winner. While Alder Lake is a very strong competitor, the lack of DDR5/ DDR4 motherboard options, and software issues is taking a toll on demand. And to be honest, I believe the existing Ryzen 5000 is still selling well, even though it may not be moving as fast as it used to.

Both companies provide great cpu's from bottom till top (sadly amd 5xxx only starts at 5600x (ye, ye there is 5300G and GE, but right now I'm talking about x cpus)), but intel will not get money from me until they will fix those nuclear power sucking cores.

 

[Space Lynx]

I noticed AMD stopped doing there Thursday gpu sales not long ago, I wonder if there is a new gpu stack coming with an sooner than expected launch date, that would be epic.

 

[Caring1]

I'm hoping for an XT version of AMD CPU chips as a refresh prior to the new platform.

 

[WonkoTheSaneUK]

I'm hoping for an XT version of AMD CPU chips as a refresh prior to the new platform.

That's what "Vermeer S" is - Zen 3 on AM4 with their "3D" vertical cache design.
AMD claim it's worth a 10-15% performance boost

 

[SL2]

If it's more than a 3 % boost it deserves its own series, 6000 most likely.

I don't think AMD wants to remind people about the 3000XT series right now..

 

[JAB Creations]

Pretty sure that AMD announced their date and then Intel copied.

I noticed AMD stopped doing there Thursday gpu sales not long ago, I wonder if there is a new gpu stack coming with an sooner than expected launch date, that would be epic.

These kind of comments are extremely misleading and damaging are knobs who actually believe comments like this without a second thought to only get upset at AMD over a comment in an online news article.

 

[SL2]

Pretty sure that AMD announced their date and then Intel copied.

They're both at CES, Intel is listed on their site, AMD isn't yet. Both presenting at CES doesn't mean anything.

 

[jesdals]

7900XT with a hefty 100% upgrade... aint going to happend but one can wish

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

I thought they were saving Zen4 for AM5?

 

[SL2]

I thought they were saving Zen4 for AM5?

They are.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Probably going to see Alder Lake - P laptop chips, and the rest of the desktop lineup (non K and T) chips from Intel, along with the 670, 660, and 610 chipsets from Intel. I would expect the full AL desktop lineup to start flowing throughout Q1 and the laptops to hit late Q1.

AMD will have Zen 3D, though I'd bet it'll be late Q1 before we see much shipping product. I don't think there is a whole lot else coming from AMD for the next 6 months.

All of that I think is expected by those who keep up with this sort of thing.

If Intel also premieres the new Arc GPUs, that'll be worth watching. That could really shake up the GPU market.

 

[SL2]

AMD will have Zen 3D, though I'd bet it'll be late Q1 before we see much shipping product. I don't think there is a whole lot else coming from AMD for the next 6 months.

If mass production of Rembrandt APU's actually started in September I'd guess we'll see new laptops sooner than that. Some models have already been leaked.

 

[RandallFlagg]

If mass production of Rembrandt APU's actually started in September I'd guess we'll see new laptops sooner than that. Some models have already been leaked.

Big if, we didn't see leaks until October really so I think it'll be longer. But you're right they'll probably show off Rembrandt even if we don't see shipping units until after March. AMD is like super super slow releasing laptop chips while Intel usually released laptop chips first - they did Alder Lake differently. AMD normally puts out laptop parts 6+ months after the desktop part.

It's also going to rely on LPDDR5X to get those good iGPU performance numbers, which is going to be expensive. It's the same issue Tiger Lake had with Xe graphics, crippled on cheaper DDR4-3200 laptops and most LPDDR4X-4266 laptops were much more expensive.

 

[SL2]

AMD's Next-Gen Rembrandt 'Ryzen 6000' APUs Currently In Mass Production, Alleges Rumor

AMD's next-gen Rembrandt APUs which will be branded under the Ryzen 6000 family are already in mass production according to a rumor.

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ASUS Prepares ROG Zephyrus Duo GX650 Laptop With Upcoming AMD Ryzen 9 6900HX and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti

Prominent chip designers like AMD and NVIDIA could bless consumers with a broader offering of their new products as soon as CES 2022 arrives. AMD should present its rumored Rembrandt-H lineup of processors based on the enhanced Zen 3 core, sometimes referred to as Zen 3+. According to the latest...

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AMD normally puts out laptop parts 6+ months after the desktop part.

This time they seem to be doing it differently and present mobile and desktop at the same time tho. If desktop CPU sales (mindfactory) have slowed down for both brands, maybe as a consequence of the lack of decently priced retail graphics cards, it could have made an impact on future launch dates.

Mass production for the next desktop CPU's started two months after the mobile APU's.

 

[RandallFlagg]

AMD's Next-Gen Rembrandt 'Ryzen 6000' APUs Currently In Mass Production, Alleges Rumor

AMD's next-gen Rembrandt APUs which will be branded under the Ryzen 6000 family are already in mass production according to a rumor.

wccftech.com

ASUS Prepares ROG Zephyrus Duo GX650 Laptop With Upcoming AMD Ryzen 9 6900HX and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti

Prominent chip designers like AMD and NVIDIA could bless consumers with a broader offering of their new products as soon as CES 2022 arrives. AMD should present its rumored Rembrandt-H lineup of processors based on the enhanced Zen 3 core, sometimes referred to as Zen 3+. According to the latest...

www.techpowerup.com

This time they seem to be doing it differently and present mobile and desktop at the same time tho. If desktop CPU sales (mindfactory) have slowed down for both brands, maybe as a consequence of the lack of decently priced retail graphics cards, it could have made an impact on future launch dates.

Mass production for the next desktop CPU's started two months after the mobile APU's.

6900HX is not an APU.

What's odd about it is that supposedly it is Zen 3+, yet I see no difference in the cache spec on leaks vs 5900X. I do see it uses DDR5-4800 though. That is very strange since that is supposed to be a Zen 4 thing. Perhaps the leak should have said LPDDR5, which would be a bit more believable.

It is interesting that they may bring Zen 3D to laptop first though.

 

[SL2]

6900HX is not an APU.

The 5900HX is, and the link says this one is it as well. The -X just means that it's overclockable AFAIK, not that the graphics is disabled.

I do see it uses DDR5-4800 though. That is very strange since that is supposed to be a Zen 4 thing. Perhaps the leak should have said LPDDR5, which would be a bit more believable.

Using DDR5 on AMD laptops this soon got me confused as well last week, but I've seen it in various sources by now.

It is interesting that they may bring Zen 3D to laptop first though.

Indeed, as it should make it less inferior to the desktop counterparts, unlike the older APU's.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Indeed, as it should make it less inferior to the desktop counterparts, unlike the older APU's.

I really think AMD is simply abandoning any lower end product lines, looking for higher margins, and desktop APU would be among the lowest margin products they carry. They have limited production allocation so this makes sense to maximize profits. It's also a strategy I think may ultimately backfire on them, see the thread on Nvidia's "new" 2060.

 

[SL2]

I really think AMD is simply abandoning any lower end product lines, looking for higher margins, and desktop APU would be among the lowest margin products they carry. They have limited production allocation so this makes sense to maximize profits. It's also a strategy I think may ultimately backfire on them, see the thread on Nvidia's "new" 2060.

Yeah, it's possible, although I think the current desktop lineup is a consequence of:

1 - lack of competition (then). Four models of the 5000X was enough one year ago, because AMD had loads of older models to sell. Lack of competition also caused the higher prices I guess.
2 - production running behind. Suddenly TSMC couldn't make enough chips for anything. Dunno if AMD planned lower priced 5000 CPU's, but there was no point in introducing anything new as there wasn't enough capacity even for the existing models.

We'll see what happens soon. My guess is that there will be four new 6000 CPU's, with the addition of lower end 5000 models. No point in using 3D cache on a 3300X successor.
Another way to go is having desktop APU's used for the lower end chips, didn't AMD talk about doing this? Don't quote me on that.

Also, most if not all AM5 chips will have graphics (they say) which would only make APU's even more common.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I really think AMD is simply abandoning any lower end product lines, looking for higher margins, and desktop APU would be among the lowest margin products they carry. They have limited production allocation so this makes sense to maximize profits. It's also a strategy I think may ultimately backfire on them, see the thread on Nvidia's "new" 2060.

They're bringing die harvested chips(-Gpu) from Apus out under they're athlon branding, and creating various versions of 8 core plus GPU APUS.
Perhaps they're re defining the bottom end.

I'm lost on your last comment how is the new cough 2060 an example of AMDS failing strategy?, And what's the relevance to a pr release about a press event.

As for the lack of low core count Zen 3 CPUs, we know why that is, they're yields at tsmc are in a way too good.

So few are binned with more than two failed cores they are struggling to keep the 12 cores in stock and few CPU's are available with less than six cores.

I doubt you think they should be lasering cores off to make low end part's,and that's not happening, they're saleable at a higher price level and in demand.

 

[SL2]

Or, AMD abandon 7 nm on desktop Ryzen CPU's to make more GPU's.

 

[RandallFlagg]

They're bringing die harvested chips(-Gpu) from Apus out under they're athlon branding, and creating various versions of 8 core plus GPU APUS.
Perhaps they're re defining the bottom end.

I'm lost on your last comment how is the new cough 2060 an example of AMDS failing strategy?, And what's the relevance to a pr release about a press event.

As for the lack of low core count Zen 3 CPUs, we know why that is, they're yields at tsmc are in a way too good.

So few are binned with more than two failed cores they are struggling to keep the 12 cores in stock and few CPU's are available with less than six cores.

I doubt you think they should be lasering cores off to make low end part's,and that's not happening, they're saleable at a higher price level and in demand.

Yeah I didn't say most of that.

Nvidia and AMD will have a problem in the GPU space if they allow intel to capture the retail consumer market. Once you've gotten mind share, it is difficult to get it back, and there is no guarantee that Crypto will continue to be a market that they can count on. If Crypto collapses, and Intel has captured let's say hypothetically 50% of the consumer GPU market in the mean time, then Nvidia in particular (AMD to a lesser extent) is well and truly cooked. Mindshare and brand loyalty is a real thing, which is what I was referencing with the Ford vs GM people.

So I think this 2060 12GB is an attempt to keep that mind share within retail.

As far as desktop CPUs, it took AMD a long long while to come out with 5600G and 5700G. Even with those, using Newegg as an example, AMD CPUs we have one at $89 a 3000G FM2+ which is a hopelessly obsolete dual core, and then it gaps up to the 5600G at $240. Intel has probably a dozen SKUs that cover that gap right now on two different architectures (RKL and CML) using the same socket, and just above it sits current Alder Lake - soon to also cover that gap.

Regardless of why they really don't have anything worth a crap below $240, and they really don't have many modern SKUs in total. If they wanted to fill that space, they would have. They simply didn't want to - because the higher end parts make more money.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Yeah I didn't say most of that.

Nvidia and AMD will have a problem in the GPU space if they allow intel to capture the retail consumer market. Once you've gotten mind share, it is difficult to get it back, and there is no guarantee that Crypto will continue to be a market that they can count on. If Crypto collapses, and Intel has captured let's say hypothetically 50% of the consumer GPU market in the mean time, then Nvidia in particular (AMD to a lesser extent) is well and truly cooked. Mindshare and brand loyalty is a real thing, which is what I was referencing with the Ford vs GM people.

So I think this 2060 12GB is an attempt to keep that mind share within retail.

As far as desktop CPUs, it took AMD a long long while to come out with 5600G and 5700G. Even with those, using Newegg as an example, AMD CPUs we have one at $89 a 3000G FM2+ which is a hopelessly obsolete dual core, and then it gaps up to the 5600G at $240. Intel has probably a dozen SKUs that cover that gap right now on two different architectures (RKL and CML) using the same socket, and just above it sits current Alder Lake - soon to also cover that gap.

Regardless of why they really don't have anything worth a crap below $240, and they really don't have many modern SKUs in total. If they wanted to fill that space, they would have. They simply didn't want to - because the higher end parts make more money.

Lot of opinion there ,I'll leave you to it.

I could chat about my local market but what's the point.