AMD Wanting to Time Launch of AM5 Platform with DDR5 Availability

[R0H1T]

Why would it not bite AMD in the ass if when they release AM5 as DDR5 only and DDR5

Because they have DDR4 & AM4 for about 4 gens of users potentially upgrading to *3d Vcache processors. They don't really need to have DDR4 support on AM5, I'm also guessing with IF (revisions) it's best they go with DDR5 & leave the older slower tech for a "lesser" platform!

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Do you have an Intel equivalent ~ oh wait they change sockets more frequently than I do socks

Make sense when you are going to criticize somebody, your whole post smells of crap.

Based on what exactly? You haven't presented any arguments yourself

Just that this will be cheaper, that will be better so on & so forth ~ you haven't said anything (technical) supporting your arguments besides the pricing thing! And DDR5 availability is only going to increase, substantially in fact.

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[Why_Me]

AMD has abandoned the budget cpu market. I guess Lisa Lu needs a new Ferrari.

 

[1d10t]

Maybe it's time to improve your value product stack, AMD ? I've eager to see some Athlon refresh and non X SKU's.

 

[Prima.Vera]

Been itchin to upgrade my overclocked i7 3770k but at the same time I was kinda hoping I could skip DDR4 and go straight to DDR5.

Monitor is only 75hz and even if I got a new monitor it's not like I could pair a new CPU with a new GPU since there impossible to find.

Might just ride it out till the end of the year and see if AMD and Intels new chips line up with at least entry level DDR5

I'm in exact same boat. Still on 3770K with DDR3 and was hoping to go for the new Intel. However the prices are ridiculous here where I live, not to mention the availability. Moreover, the current DDR5 offering is pure garbage with low performance, over expensive junk.

 

[R0H1T]

If you "need to" upgrade, right now is probably as good a time as any! DDR4 prices are near an all time low in India, just stock up on high density 3600MHz memory & call it a day

 

[eidairaman1]

Maybe it's time to improve your value product stack, AMD ? I've eager to see some Athlon refresh and non X SKU's.

Buy a 5800 on ebay

On another note, it makes sense to wait till DDR 5 parts are greatly available

 

[mechtech]

Really??? I’d be more concerned with video card supply vs ddr5!! DDR5 is probably easier and cheaper to get than a decent video card.

who wants to pair a bleeding edge platform with a 6 year old video card???

 

[TheLostSwede]

Could you please link sources within the article? Thanks.

It's right there at the bottom of the article and if you don't know how source links in news articles at TPU works by now, then I can't help you.

It's quite unfortunate that Rembrandt will not release on AM4 at all. Oh well...

Anyway, they're saying now that it'll be DDR5 only but if the current situation continues I doubt they'll let the platform die on that hill. We don't even really know (or have a way to know) that the memory controller is DDR5 only, it would be smart for them to hedge their bets with a controller that supports both memory types so time will tell. Current plan is DDR5 but time will tell if that will be possible

Hence why I said it seems like AMD only supports DDR5, but yes, we simply don't know at this point.

 

[tussinman]

I'm in exact same boat. Still on 3770K with DDR3 and was hoping to go for the new Intel. However the prices are ridiculous here where I live, not to mention the availability. Moreover, the current DDR5 offering is pure garbage with low performance, over expensive junk.

Yeah going to wait it out. The main benefit of upgrading would be the potential ability to hit 144hz/fps but if there's zero graphics cards right now in stock that can hit that rate then it's kinda pointless

Really??? I’d be more concerned with video card supply vs ddr5!! DDR5 is probably easier and cheaper to get than a decent video card.

who wants to pair a bleeding edge platform with a 6 year old video card???

Great point and the main reason why i'm riding out till the next gen CPUs. Hopefully it times up better with GPU inventory

 

[Fouquin]

It's right there at the bottom of the article and if you don't know how source links in news articles at TPU works by now, then I can't help you.

Thanks for the helping of snark, appreciate that... My request was to do what other editors do and link within the article with hypertext. As the process to view the source from the forum is to go back to the main page and find the tiny 10pt greyscale font that's seemingly designed to be the least visible element on the page.

 

[Mussels]

Could you please link sources within the article? Thanks.

It's not visible in every view, but the sources are included at the bottom of the post

The 3D cache models make more sense now, give AM4 one more breath of life while they wait for DDR5 to become more available - and hopefully use that time so launch doesnt have BIOS/agesa issues

 

[TheLostSwede]

Thanks for the helping of snark, appreciate that... My request was to do what other editors do and link within the article with hypertext. As the process to view the source from the forum is to go back to the main page and find the tiny 10pt greyscale font that's seemingly designed to be the least visible element on the page.

If you don't like the way the site works, take it up with management.

 

[Fouquin]

It's not visible in every view, but the sources are included at the bottom of the post

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The 3D cache models make more sense now, give AM4 one more breath of life while they wait for DDR5 to become more available - and hopefully use that time so launch doesnt have BIOS/agesa issues

You misunderstand what I am asking.

On the forum side there is no link to a source, not at the bottom nor within the body text of the article even in sections which directly refer to a source. Other articles include these:

I don't see how that's an offensive request considering the precedent set by the rest of the team.

 

[stimpy88]

If AMD only support DDR5, then I'm out. DDR5 is expensive and largely crap.

 

[ratirt]

To be fair. The DDR5 and so on keeps popping up and we all know it will take time to mature nonetheless. Why jump to it now? Just because it is available? It's been this way with every new mem release. It is not worth it for now. I think AMD should wait with the release and I'm sure, 3dVcache is the embodiment of that decision. In any case, if the DDR5 supply wont go up and the price go down, AMD might refresh the entire line-up for the AM4 with DDR4. At least, that's my guess. It's also a good opportunity for AMD to try the 3dvcashe a bit more, tweak it maybe and then move to a new platform.

 

[stimpy88]

To be fair. The DDR5 and so on keeps popping up and we all know it will take time to mature nonetheless. Why jump to it now? Just because it is available? It's been this way with every new mem release. It is not worth it for now. I think AMD should wait with the release and I'm sure, 3dVcache is the embodiment of that decision. In any case, if the DDR5 supply wont go up and the price go down, AMD might refresh the entire line-up for the AM4 with DDR4. At least, that's my guess. It's also a good opportunity for AMD to try the 3dvcashe a bit more, tweak it maybe and then move to a new platform.

The only problem is that a down clocked 8 core gamer CPU is not what I, and I suspect, many others want. If they release a 16 core version, thats overclockable 300-500MHz, then I'm in. But AMD have made noises that a more-than-8-core 3D cache part is not going to happen.

DDR5 will be no better in 9 months time, maybe it will drop slightly in price, but it's still crap with no tangible perf gain for 3x the price, and it will stay that way for at least another year or two. Even if DDR5 was only an extra 25% higher cost than DDR4, i'd still take DDR4.

Intel have seen the issues convincing people to use DDR5, and AMD should do the same.

 

[ratirt]

The only problem is that a down clocked 8 core gamer CPU is not what I, and I suspect, many others want. If they release a 16 core version, thats overclockable 300-500MHz, then I'm in. But AMD have made noises that a more-than-8-core 3D cache part is not going to happen.

I'd keep assumptions to yourself. Not all is frequency. We don't know how the 3dVcache will impact performance. It is said mostly it will affect gaming and that is probably true but I'd still wait. maybe the 200-300Mhz lower wont affect performance as much as you proclaim it to affect.

DDR5 will be no better in 9 months time, maybe it will drop slightly in price, but it's still crap with no tangible perf gain for 3x the price, and it will stay that way for at least another year or two. Even if DDR5 was only an extra 25% higher cost than DDR4, i'd still take DDR4.

My bet is, it won't be much better than it is now.

Intel have seen the issues convincing people to use DDR5, and AMD should do the same.

I think AMD has taken better approach. Showing the problem and express concerns about the availability of the DDR5 to everyone. It's a fair game.
Intel has an approach of, it is better, buy it. If it is not in the market that's your problem.

 

[Why_Me]

I think AMD has taken better approach. Showing the problem and express concerns about the availability of the DDR5 to everyone. It's a fair game.
Intel has an approach of, it is better, buy it. If it is not in the market that's your problem.

Too bad Intel doesn't offer a choice with Alder Lake such as DDR4 boards ... oh wait ...

 

[ratirt]

Too bad Intel doesn't offer a choice with Alder Lake such as DDR4 boards ... oh wait ...

Yeah and Intel didn't make so much fuss about the DDR5 support.... oh wait....

 

[Why_Me]

Yeah and Intel didn't make so much fuss about the DDR5 support.... oh wait....

Does Alder Lake offer a choice? It's a simple yes or no.

 

[ratirt]

Does Alder Lake offer a choice or not? It's a simple yes or no.

Does this thread is about Alder Lake? It's a simple yes or no.

 

[Why_Me]

Does this thread is about Alder Lake? It's a simple yes or no.

You made a misleading post in regards to Alder Lake and DDR4 and got called out on it.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

It is kind of about the availability of DDR5 relating to AMD's release of AM5, which could be a problem which in theory Intel forsaw and gave ADL a DDR4 and 5 controller which was a good move.

We will just have to see if the supply of DDR5 is upto the release of AM5, if it is not then AMD are in trouble, or they will have to delay AM5, which is still not great.

 

[bug]

It is kind of about the availability of DDR5 relating to AMD's release of AM5, which could be a problem which in theory Intel forsaw and gave ADL a DDR4 and 5 controller which was a good move.

We will just have to see if the supply of DDR5 is upto the release of AM5, if it is not then AMD are in trouble, or they will have to delay AM5, which is still not great.

AMD's strategy was risky even in the absence of this components shortage. No RAM transition even went smoothly, no new RAM was better than the old from the beginning. It always took a year or two (and manufacturers stopping development of the old RAM), before the new one started to make sense.

But maybe there's a silver lining: if we'll only afford 4GB RAM, maybe we'll see better optimized software going forward

 

[ratirt]

You made a misleading post in regards to Alder Lake and DDR4 and got called out on it.

I was not talking about Alder Lake.

It is kind of about the availability of DDR5 relating to AMD's release of AM5, which could be a problem which in theory Intel forsaw and gave ADL a DDR4 and 5 controller which was a good move.

Yes about AM5 and DDR5 and AMD's concerns that come with it not about Alder Lake. Foresaw? It has never, in the history of all DDR memory releases, been that the newly released DDR Ram was up for the supply and performance in comparison to previous matured one. So much for foreseeing.