Intel Core i9-12900KS Listed at $791 with 150W Processor Base Power

[Daven]

You're not. As a 9900KS owner, I would be all over this if I had to upgrade or replace my system. The $250 increase over the 12900K is a big price jump though. I looked up my purchase history and I only paid $569 for my 9900KS, which was less than $100 premium over the 9900K at the time.

As of now I don't find myself CPU-limited so I'm not in the market for a new CPU. But maybe a Raptor Lake 13900KS 24C/36T chip might tempt me next year.

Raptor Lake is 24C/32T.

 

[Dr_b_]

Nope, 10P+4E isn't symmetrical
Make it 12P, Error cores are not needed

Just 10P or 12P would be really nice, dont need or want E cores

 

[Max(IT)]

overclocking is kind of a dead notion on CPU's, has been that way for ryzen and intel for awhile now. people need to just change power settings in control panel to high performance mode, and be happy with stock and stock boosting under that power plan. the amount of effort required to get 2% more in frames, is a joke, not to mention the extra heat/wattage. it simply defies all logic, and is stupid. oc'ing is a waste of time.

enjoy gaming. at the end of the day thats why most of us have these rigs.

exactly.
Overclocking is just an hobby , as of today, with little practical sense.
Undervolting and optimizing are a different thing, and could still make sense.

Nope, 10P+4E isn't symmetrical
Make it 12P, Error cores are not needed

who said it must be symmetrical ? E cores and P cores aren't working on the same task.

I want E cores in my CPU: they are useful (if correctly used).

More to the point when we getting more information on the 5800X3D

pointless cpu. we need zen 4. 5800X3D is just interesting for them to see how to implement 3D cache.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Nope, 10P+4E isn't symmetrical
Make it 12P, Error cores are not needed

error cores, so funny. you obviously don't understand their use value

just buy a cheap cpu that does not have them

 

[Crackong]

who said it must be symmetrical ?

Since one P core and one E core cluster aren't the same size.
Doing asymmetrical leaves some empty spaces in the die area, which is not ideal.

 

[Dr_b_]

error cores, so funny. you obviously don't understand their use value

just buy a cheap cpu that does not have them

Obviously you want those threads and thats fine, but I certainly dont in a gaming machine. Also, intel sells alder lake without E cores, and they are great gaming CPUs and great CPUs in general. I can see E cores in power efficient mobile applications, like laptops.

 

[Crackong]

error cores, so funny. you obviously don't understand their use value

just buy a cheap cpu that does not have them

I guess you have no idea how the name "Error cores" came from , who named it, and why they are called that way.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Obviously you want those threads and thats fine, but I certainly dont in a gaming machine. Also, intel sells alder lake without E cores, and they are great gaming CPUs and great CPUs in general. I can see E cores in power efficient mobile applications, like laptops.

Like i said, buy an ADL without them. I use my 12700k for gaming and its fine, what is the problem with the E cores? Have you even tried a ADL CPU? i am guessing not.

Don't give a crap where the dumb name came from. As i said the E cores have no negative impact on my 12700k for gaming or anything else. Buy an AMD CPU

 

[ratirt]

Correct me if I'm wrong but for gaming Intel uses less power than AMD equivalent parts. Only when stress testing they use more power. At least that is what I got the impression from reviews.

Is it? I would not say so.
I think Intel uses less power while gaming than other Intel counterparts but I would not be so sure about AMD counterpart using more power while gaming. I think it is still less power for AMD than Intel.

 

[Max(IT)]

Obviously you want those threads and thats fine, but I certainly dont in a gaming machine. Also, intel sells alder lake without E cores, and they are great gaming CPUs and great CPUs in general. I can see E cores in power efficient mobile applications, like laptops.

my 12700K with E cores surely is better than those CPUs with no E cores, even in gaming. So I still dont see the point here.
Hybrid architecture is an improvement.

I guess you have no idea how the name "Error cores" came from , who named it, and why they are called that way.

what value you post has, since you didn't link any useful reference ?

Is it? I would not say so.
I think Intel uses less power while gaming than other Intel counterparts but I would not be so sure about AMD counterpart using more power while gaming. I think it is still less power for AMD than Intel.

absolutely not.
In gaming my 12700K need less power than my 5800X, with better performance.

 

[Dr_b_]

my 12700K with E cores surely is better than those CPUs with no E cores, even in gaming. So I still dont see the point here.
Hybrid architecture is an improvement.


what value you post has, since you didn't link any useful reference ?

do you notice a performance boost in games with the E Cores on in your cpu? You make a claim about it performing better, even in gaming, when most games only use at most 6 to 8 cores. And that is the point here, E Cores share cache with P cores, and E Cores are not as performant. Thread director is also not perfect, OS can dump jobs mistakenly to E Cores, then your perf can be reduced.

Alder Lake (Intel 12th gen) disabling E-Cores may boost gaming performance
by u/Crystal6tak in intel

"In E-Off, E-Cores were disabled and AVX512 were enabled via BIOS. Arma 3 saw the biggest improvement, with six siege seeing a minor but measurable increase. Disabling E-core also did not reduce performance in any scenario (again, small sample)."

 

[Deleted member 24505]

do you notice a performance boost in games with the E Cores on in your cpu? You make a claim about it performing better, even in gaming, when most games only use at most 6 to 8 cores. And that is the point here, E Cores share cache with P cores, and E Cores are not as performant. Thread director is also not perfect, OS can dump jobs mistakenly to E Cores, then your perf can be reduced.

Alder Lake (Intel 12th gen) disabling E-Cores may boost gaming performance
by u/Crystal6tak in intel

"In E-Off, E-Cores were disabled and AVX512 were enabled via BIOS. Arma 3 saw the biggest improvement, with six siege seeing a minor but measurable increase. Disabling E-core also did not reduce performance in any scenario (again, small sample)."

Disable your E cores then

 

[Crackong]

what value you post has, since you didn't link any useful reference ?

Go ahead and check the P and E cores analysis in Actually Hardcore Overclocking channel
You might be surprised,
Those Error cores are just a chain and dragging down the P core performance.
The CPU would perform so much nicer with the Error cores disabled.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Go ahead and check the P and E cores analysis in Actually Hardcore Overclocking channel
You might be surprised,
Those Error cores are just a chain and dragging down the P core performance.
The CPU would perform so much nicer with the Error cores disabled.

Same

Disable your E cores then

 

[Crackong]

Same

Disable your E cores then

Thanks for the advice

But I bought 12400
I did not waste money on the Error cores
And I did not waste time to disable them / nor paid beta testing Windows 11

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Thanks for the advice

But I bought 12400
I did not waste money on the Error cores
And I did not waste time to disable them / nor paid beta testing Windows 11

It might have been worth getting a 12700 non k and just disabling the E cores. At least you would have an extra 2 P cores. The E cores have no detrimental effect on my PC so imo you are pissing into the wind.

 

[Dr_b_]

Disable your E cores then

yeah thats fine, how about not telling people that E Cores matter in desktop?

 

[Deleted member 24505]

yeah thats fine, how about not telling people that E Cores matter in desktop?

Why does it matter to you so much what other people want? You buy without E cores if that is what you want and stop going on about how in your opinion E cores are so bad. You have made your point now, no need to keep repeating it. We get it, you think E cores are a waste. Some people do not.

 

[Dr_b_]

Why does it matter to you so much what other people want? You buy without E cores if that is what you want and stop going on about how in your opinion E cores are so bad. You have made your point now, no need to keep repeating it. We get it, you think E cores are a waste. Some people do not.

the problem is you are asserting with others here they matter, claims have been made that they improve things which they do not, and made snarky comments to people after they merely pointed out that E cores are the lord and savior panacea that they aren't. It doesn't matter to me what others want, just *don't make up stuff* that isn't true.

 

[Cutechri]

Cool story Intel, I'm holding onto my 5900X until Nova Lake.

yeah thats fine, how about not telling people that E Cores matter in desktop?

They sure do a damn good job despite being allegedly Skylake IPC and clocked that low. Intel's still holding onto monolithic die design right now and they need to squeeze as many cores as possible into the die space that they have to keep up. It makes sense since 4 E-cores are as big as 1 P-core.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

the problem is you are asserting with others here they matter, claims have been made that they improve things which they do not, and made snarky comments to people after they merely pointed out that E cores are the lord and savior panacea that they aren't. It doesn't matter to me what others want, just *don't make up stuff* that isn't true.

Quote me where i said they matter. I said they have no negative impact on my PC, MY PC. Others maybe so, idk. I have never said they improve things either, if i did show me quotes. You have been nothing but negative re E cores and also showed ZERO proof of your assertion. I have not made anything up, i have stated they do not have any negative effect on my PC which is true.

Do you even have a ADL CPU with E cores? or even a ADL CPU? If not, what are you basing your opinion on.

 

[Dr_b_]

Quote me where i said they matter. I said they have no negative impact on my PC, MY PC. Others maybe so, idk. I have never said they improve things either, if i did show me quotes. You have been nothing but negative re E cores and also showed ZERO proof of your assertion. I have not made anything up, i have stated they do not have any negative effect on my PC which is true.

Do you even have a ADL CPU with E cores? or even a ADL CPU? If not, what are you basing your opinion on.

"error cores, so funny. you obviously don't understand their use value"
The OP of that message you made the reply to has a right to assert they are meaningless on his PC, HIS PC.

You're right, i don't understand their use value on my PC, MY PC, on things outside of laptops where power consumption matters. Hybrid designs are used in mobile applications to save power, are they necessary and have value in a desktop, certainly not everyone's.

What is this based on? There are numerous youtubers/articles, one which i already linked, showing how E Cores don't matter in games, did you look at them at all, or do you want to just deny they exist and keep asking for evidence?

For someone who does gaming, there is no use value for E Cores, and sometimes, negative consequences. Would rather have more P cores and zero E

 

[Cutechri]

For someone who does gaming, there is no use value for E Cores, and sometimes, negative consequences. Would rather have more P cores and zero E

And yet, Intel's 8 P-cores managed to outpace the 5950X's 16 "P-cores" in gaming, and the E-cores helped it take over in synthetics. Maybe they know that nobody needs 10+ cores for gaming right now. And possibly for a long time.

 

[Dr_b_]

Cool story Intel, I'm holding onto my 5900X until Nova Lake.


They sure do a damn good job despite being allegedly Skylake IPC and clocked that low. Intel's still holding onto monolithic die design right now and they need to squeeze as many cores as possible into the die space that they have to keep up. It makes sense since 4 E-cores are as big as 1 P-core.

For some workloads. Saphire Rapids will have MCM, hope that trickles down to the consumer space eventually

And yet, Intel's 8 P-cores managed to outpace the 5950X's 16 "P-cores" in gaming, and the E-cores helped it take over in synthetics. Maybe they know that nobody needs 10+ cores for gaming right now. And possibly for a long time.

or intel couldn't make a HCC monolithic all P Core CPU

 

[Deleted member 24505]

"error cores, so funny. you obviously don't understand their use value"
The OP of that message you made the reply to has a right to assert they are meaningless on his PC, HIS PC.

You're right, i don't understand their use value on my PC, MY PC, on things outside of laptops where power consumption matters. Hybrid designs are used in mobile applications to save power, are they necessary and have value in a desktop, certainly not everyone's.

What is this based on? There are numerous youtubers/articles, one which i already linked, showing how E Cores don't matter in games, did you look at them at all, or do you want to just deny they exist and keep asking for evidence?

For someone who does gaming, there is no use value for E Cores, and sometimes, negative consequences. Would rather have more P cores and zero E

So do YOU have an ADL CPU?