Samsung RDNA2-based Exynos 2200 GPU Performance Significantly Worse than Snapdragon 8 Gen1, Both Power Galaxy S22 Ultra

[wolf]

Looks like, contrary to the norm, Australia is getting the Snapdragon this year too, which I think I'll be getting. Shame to miss out on RDNA2 for now, and I still hope they can improve the 2200 with firmware/software updates etc to eek more out, and that it doesn't stop them trying again and again, but I'm happy to get the SD version this time it seems.

 

[Mussels]

It should be completely illegal to sell two different phones under the same name.
It's a huge scam, when reviews online all get the top tier limited USA model and the rest of the world gets an honest to god piece of shit, with missing features and abandoned firmware updates.

This is why i quit buying samsung products, and snagging a few "bargains" lately second hand has showed its still in full force.

Even the watch i've got has like 8 different hardware variants under the same name, all with different RAM amounts, battery sizes, clock speeds...

 

[stimpy88]

Bait and switch. One of the many reasons I’d never buy expensive Samsung e-waste.

 

[Mussels]

Intel 12900K review:

Now the review sample is a 24 core, 5.3GHz sample with 64MB cache...
[Users gets a quad core 3.2GHz, same product name - because they dont live within the geographic location of intel headquarters]

 

[guvament]

Why is this YouTuber getting different benchmark results?

All this hot air due to a YouTuber who most probably has an early test unit with outdated drivers.

 

[bug]

It should be completely illegal to sell two different phones under the same name.

They're sold in different countries, that would be pretty hard to enforce.
Plus, with these highly integrated devices, it's pretty hard to draw the line. Is is a new product if you've changed the suppliers for capacitors? The flash supplier? A different screen?

Plus, the name is not actually the same, they each carry their own model numbers.

If you're looking for protection for the fool that can't understand anything more than the big text on the front of the box... can't be done.

 

[GreiverBlade]

typical overpriced samsung p.o.c .... Samsung phones i only grant them : good screens and camera, all the rest is not worth the price tag

also oh well ... damn, i rally thought the Xclipse 920 (stupid name ... seriously ... "Ekse-clipse" literally) aka: RDNA2 Radeon for SOC did not S(U)C(K) and beat Adreno/Radeon for SOC (dangit both have the same origine but one got refined after being acquired by Qualcomm )

also the SD 8 Gen 1 is not really great either, to the point that the SD870 is still the better Qualcomm chipset around (888/888+ and 8 Gen 1 are notorious for overheating and losing performances due to that )

ohhhh playtime is over indeed ...
(still glad that my phone has a Samsung E4 120hz panel nonetheless )

 

[Tek-Check]

I am curious whether EU will finally speak to Samsung and ask them why the heck one the most developed markets receives a device that is second best? Absurd.

 

[bug]

I am curious whether EU will finally speak to Samsung and ask them why the heck one the most developed markets receives a device that is second best? Absurd.

Why would the EU care about a fashion accessory?

You don't like it? Don't buy. Want the US version? Amazon is a few clicks away.

 

[trsttte]

I am curious whether EU will finally speak to Samsung and ask them why the heck one the most developed markets receives a device that is second best? Absurd.

Last time I checked average european phone upgrade cycles and average spent on a new phone are longer and lower than US.

 

[Tek-Check]

Why would the EU care about a fashion accessory?

You don't like it? Don't buy. Want the US version? Amazon is a few clicks away.

You are missing a wider point. Few consumers would ever bother to set-up US version of Amazon account, make a few clicks, pay import taxes and get a device. It should never be as complicated to get a device and it needs to be available locally.

Only one part of S22 is a fashion accessory and lower tier S22 are meant for mainstream. The issue is a wider market segmentation, competitiveness and pricing. There is no good reason to sell less performant device in more developed market and for higher price. I hope EU trade specialists finally take action on this.

To raise the awareness of this issue, Samsung needs to be forced to inform customers, via national mobile vendors, that they sell two versions of the same device in different parts of the world. Once there is better awareness, there will be more pressure on them to change this.

It's like selling Tesla car with less efficient battery in Europe and better battery in Japan. Ridiculous.

 

[R0H1T]

I hope EU trade specialists finally take action on this.

You mean like that antitrust case which Intel overturned in over a decade? The only thing most regulators ensure the world over is their shared incompetence en masse!

 

[Tek-Check]

Last time I checked average european phone upgrade cycles and average spent on a new phone are longer and lower than US.

If that's the case, that is brilliant news. Less e-waste, less materialistic approach to upgrades, less bothered about constant changes. I change it once in 3 years, being forced by degraded battery.

And more reason for Samsung and EU authorities to push for the best performant device, so that exchange cycles are even less frequent and phones can last longer.

Mobile phone should last at least 4-5 years, like many other electronic devices. Two year exchange cycles are purely capitalistic push, unhealthy for the planet and our mind-set. I hope authorities also finally push vendors to implement much more efficient batteries in phones, which have already been developed by engineers. Current phone batteries are bonkers. Leaders of the world have been talking about how to save the planet while phone vendors solder batteries that quickly degrade. This must change.

You mean like that antitrust case which Intel overturned in over a decade? The only thing most regulators ensure the world over is their shared incompetence en masse!

Sure, they make mistakes sometimes, as shown in Intel's case, but there are other cases when consumers got more protection and better service, such as abolishion of roaming charges and many more. Incompetence happens, granted, and lessons need to be learnt.

 

[R0H1T]

Right though as long as they disclose the components and don't ban reviews, which they probably cannot any way, they'd be fine. Apple for instance dual sourced A10(A11?) from Samsung and TSMC, you couldn't even tell which chip your phone had. This is hardly new in the electronics or really any other industry.

 

[GreiverBlade]

Why is this YouTuber getting different benchmark results?

All this hot air due to a YouTuber who most probably has an early test unit with outdated drivers.

mmhhh maybe because official reviewer receive ... "cherry picked-finely tuned" sample that the end user will never see on shelf ...

after the Antutu scandale back some time ago (which mainly involved samsung) i learned to not trust any reviewer (aside TPU's one haha... and even then ... i notice that their GPUs or CPUs usually have slightly higher perf for the one i also own hehehe ... )

it's the same as sponsored streamer who swear by a brand (i will not name it but it ... "shave" ... a lot) and maintain it's the best brand and they never had any issues with it, meanwhile a lot of "normal" customers, including me, have to RMA almost every single hardware from that brand... (well i still have one ... that still work 1 year after, which is ... surprising)




that aside,
well ... Apple i can see why people buy them, Samsung ... less, specially when you can find a phone for a half to a quarter of the price that has equivalent specs, ok ok ... i said camera and screen .... but why, since i already have the screen checked, would i pay 800$ more for that when the picture i can take are more than good for the usage i have, and the SD 8 Gen 1 or even worse the new Exynos 2200 would not warrant the overprice either

 

[guvament]

mmhhh maybe because official reviewer receive ... "cherry picked-finely tuned" sample that the end user will never see on shelf ...

after the Antutu scandale back some time ago (which mainly involved samsung) i learned to not trust any reviewer (aside TPU's one haha... and even then ... i notice that their GPUs or CPUs usually have slightly higher perf for the one i also own hehehe ... )

Here is another one that has very similar results to the tech chaps results.

That said, I am sure Samsung won;t send out duds to YT reviewers. Few more days and we will know what is cooking.

 

[Mussels]

They're sold in different countries, that would be pretty hard to enforce.
Plus, with these highly integrated devices, it's pretty hard to draw the line. Is is a new product if you've changed the suppliers for capacitors? The flash supplier? A different screen?

Plus, the name is not actually the same, they each carry their own model numbers.

If you're looking for protection for the fool that can't understand anything more than the big text on the front of the box... can't be done.

I dont think you've seen how bad it's getting however

The last time i super paid attention was when my S5 was playing up, and i found out you could fix it by updating to a firmware... that australia never got. Ever.

This is the "samsung galaxy S5" - sold and marketed as one phone.

More accurately, it's 16 phones in a trenchcoat - the only thing guaranteed is that cases and screen protectors are the same size for them all -.-
It's gotten worse since then, like the LTE version of my watch has double the ram, while the larger sized band has 50% more battery.


It feels like extreme dishonesty with mainstream reviewers getting a top tier all bells and whistles model, with consumers getting shafted.
Oh look week long battery life! (sorry, 80% of the variants get one day battery life. But it's not a LIE because ONE model CAN get that in SOME situations....)

 

[trsttte]

I dont think you've seen how bad it's getting however

The last time i super paid attention was when my S5 was playing up, and i found out you could fix it by updating to a firmware... that australia never got. Ever.

This is the "samsung galaxy S5" - sold and marketed as one phone.
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More accurately, it's 16 phones in a trenchcoat - the only thing guaranteed is that cases and screen protectors are the same size for them all -.-
It's gotten worse since then, like the LTE version of my watch has double the ram, while the larger sized band has 50% more battery.


It feels like extreme dishonesty with mainstream reviewers getting a top tier all bells and whistles model, with consumers getting shafted.
Oh look week long battery life! (sorry, 80% of the variants get one day battery life. But it's not a LIE because ONE model CAN get that in SOME situations....)

You're not wrong but let's take note that the reason for that stupid amount of variants is the cell connection and different bands each country uses (and CDMA for the US)

Not that it's an excuse, other phones make do with less by just including redundant bands for most regions (I believe Google Nexus/Pixel took this to another level by including almost all the bands available in most regions because of Google Fi)

 

[Mussels]

You're not wrong but let's take note that the reason for that stupid amount of variants is the cell connection and different bands each country uses (and CDMA for the US)

Not that it's an excuse, other phones make do with less by just including redundant bands for most regions (I believe Google Nexus/Pixel took this to another level by including almost all the bands available in most regions because of Google Fi)

And thats why i bought a pixel phone (originally a US import) because not only did it work here, spare parts were universal and i could use it if i travelled (or sell it online)

The S4 and S5 i had issues with could eventually flash an indian firmware, but it disabled huge amounts of features. Literally editing one text file to change it from a G to an F model or vice versa, locked and unlocked features.
Indian model, by changing one letter? youtube is 720p max, no "3D" videos, no 60FPS, all disabled because of unexplained region locks.


I'm venting and pissed about all this, because i still own those phones as the resale value is trash and there is simply no method to get 'everything' working

 

[AusWolf]

Performance isn't everything in a phone. What about heat and power consumption?

 

[bug]

I dont think you've seen how bad it's getting however

The last time i super paid attention was when my S5 was playing up, and i found out you could fix it by updating to a firmware... that australia never got. Ever.

Wife's Moto One Active is still waiting for Android 11 a full year after it supposedly start rolling out for that model. And that's part of the "One" series! So yeah, fully aware of that.

This is the "samsung galaxy S5" - sold and marketed as one phone.
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More accurately, it's 16 phones in a trenchcoat - the only thing guaranteed is that cases and screen protectors are the same size for them all -.-
It's gotten worse since then, like the LTE version of my watch has double the ram, while the larger sized band has 50% more battery.

As pointed out above, that was mostly down to various 3G bands supported. I don't think it's gotten worse, I believe these days there's actually less fragmentation because of that. That's actually on Qualcomm, not Samsung or other makers. But it's still iPhone that seems to have no problem dealing with various bands worldwide with a single model.

It feels like extreme dishonesty with mainstream reviewers getting a top tier all bells and whistles model, with consumers getting shafted.
Oh look week long battery life! (sorry, 80% of the variants get one day battery life. But it's not a LIE because ONE model CAN get that in SOME situations....)

It feels like you're following the wrong reviewers. The truly honest ones have no problem buying review hardware for themselves, they don't rely solely on manufacturer handouts.
Think about it for a second: does it make sense to send a reviewer in Europe the US version that they don't to sell in that market?

It's very simple really: you're presented with a product, you inform your self about it and then you buy or not. Samsung doesn't care if you like their product or not (unless it affects sales, which happens virtually never).

 

[Mussels]

Wife's Moto One Active is still waiting for Android 11 a full year after it supposedly start rolling out for that model. And that's part of the "One" series! So yeah, fully aware of that.

As pointed out above, that was mostly down to various 3G bands supported. I don't think it's gotten worse, I believe these days there's actually less fragmentation because of that. That's actually on Qualcomm, not Samsung or other makers. But it's still iPhone that seems to have no problem dealing with various bands worldwide with a single model.

It feels like you're following the wrong reviewers. The truly honest ones have no problem buying review hardware for themselves, they don't rely solely on manufacturer handouts.
Think about it for a second: does it make sense to send a reviewer in Europe the US version that they don't to sell in that market?

It's very simple really: you're presented with a product, you inform your self about it and then you buy or not. Samsung doesn't care if you like their product or not (unless it affects sales, which happens virtually never).

You're missing the point: as someone from a non-US market, online reviews are ALWAYS for the wrong model

 

[bug]

You're missing the point: as someone from a non-US market, online reviews are ALWAYS for the wrong model

Ah yes, that makes sense; regulate manufacturing because nobody writes the reviews you want
Are you for real?

 

[AusWolf]

Ah yes, that makes sense; regulate manufacturing because nobody writes the reviews you want
Are you for real?

I think what he meant was that 99% of online reviews tend to cover the US version with Snapdragon, so non-US markets are left in the dark regarding the Exynos variant. For us, such reviews are irrelevant and misleading, as they cover an entirely different product (that happens to bear the same model name for some unexplained reason). Unrelated, but it feels sort of like the GeForce GT 1030 DDR4/GDDR5 fiasco.

 

[bug]

I think what he meant was that 99% of online reviews tend to cover the US version with Snapdragon, so non-US markets are left in the dark regarding the Exynos variant. For us, such reviews are irrelevant and misleading, as they cover an entirely different product (that happens to bear the same model name for some unexplained reason). Unrelated, but it feels sort of like the GeForce GT 1030 DDR4/GDDR5 fiasco.

Reviews will cover whatever they want. But the initial argument was that the EU must somehow curb the practice of offering the same model with different hardware under the hood. Which is ridiculous, the practice is older than the smart (or even mobile) phone.