AMD Asks Motherboard Makers to Remove Overclocking Options for Ryzen 7 5800X3D

[TheLostSwede]

TechPowerUp has verified a rumour posted over on VideoCardz that is quite puzzling, as AMD has asked motherboard makers to remove support for overclocking in the UEFI/BIOS for the Ryzen 7 5800X3D. When we asked for a reason as to why this was the case, we were told that AMD was keeping that information to themselves for the time being. The details provided by AMD are short and to the point "5800X3D 8C16T 100-xxxxxxxxx 105 W AGESA: PI 1206b 1/28 Please hide Vermeer-X CPU OC BIOS SETUP options".

The information suggests that this happened back at the end of January, although it's no surprise that this information took some time to leak, as it's not the kind of information that would normally make its way outside of the motherboard manufacturers. AGESA 1.2.0.6 B is also the most current release for a wide range of motherboards, even though it doesn't seem to be offered as a final release from all of the board makers just yet. It's unclear why AMD has done this, but it suggests that there might be some issues related to the 3D V-Cache and overclocking.



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[DeathtoGnomes]

suggests that there might be some issues with the 3D V-Cache and overclocking.

a cpu with epileptic seizures.

Boils down to two things, stability and thermals, but thats stating the obvious\common issues. After that, there is overclocking doesnt actually work, and what else? OMG you killed kenny! I mean the memory!

Isnt it fun to speculate?

 

[TheLostSwede]

a cpu with epileptic seizures.

Boils down to two things, stability and thermals, but thats stating the obvious\common issues. After that, there is overclocking doesnt actually work, and what else? OMG you killed kenny! I mean the memory!

Isnt it fun to speculate?

It's peculiar that it comes this close to the launch though.
Since we don't even know if it's frequency or Voltage related, it's really hard to speculate about the reason.
Maybe the V-Cache gets decoupled somehow once certain speeds are reached?

 

[delshay]

a cpu with epileptic seizures.

Boils down to two things, stability and thermals, but thats stating the obvious\common issues. After that, there is overclocking doesnt actually work, and what else? OMG you killed kenny! I mean the memory!

Isnt it fun to speculate?

Maybe the CPU is so fast it does not need overclocking.

 

[dont whant to set it"']

If it comes to market like so, then they should just keep them to "itself" ; two semi-drunk cents.

 

[ExcuseMeWtf]

Nothing suspicious here whatsoever. Nothing at all /s

 

[Bloax]

bro please bro just disable the OC on this cpu bro i beg you we want people to buy am5 not stay on am4 with an overclocked zen3d chip please bro just one non-oc chip

In unrelated news, Vermeer OC keeps declining beyond AGESA 1203 for No Reason Whatsoever.
make grug think, it do

 

[windwhirl]

Maybe the CPU is so fast it does not need overclocking.

CPUs already OC themselves, so ironically that's not true and at the same time it's kinda true, lol

 

[dj-electric]

I really doubt how much overclocking was in this thing in the first place.

 

[Deleted member 185088]

Maybe the CPU is so fast it does not need overclocking.

Do Zen 3 overclock at all, they seem already at their limit.

 

[Palladium]

CPUs already OC themselves, so ironically that's not true and at the same time it's kinda true, lol

My last hardware with actual headroom was a GTX 1070. My later CPU and GPUs are throttling at stock one way or another despite clearly not power or thermally limited.

 

[watzupken]

I find little reasons to overclock CPUs or GPUs nowadays. The gains is insignificant, the heat and power requirement do jump significantly. Having said that, I suspect that the stacking of the cache on top of a very hot CPU (5800X itself is a very hot chip due to heat concentrated on the tiny chiplet), is going to run into issues if people tried to overclock it. I’ve used a 5800X previously and right out of the box and under a Cinebench R20 load, temps would shoot up to the mid 80s. That is with an Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360 cooler with an ambient temp of around 27 degrees C. If the design of the 3D cache is to sit just above the original chiplet, I think it will cause temps to increase.

 

[Ferrum Master]

It is probably because of whackos that does absurd power limits to have higher all core.

Latest Agesa is bugged/featured in a way that if you turn EDC past 140A your CPU voltages will not go past 1.4V much. Meaning Turbo will not work as it should. Under 140A everything is fine.

Reading this and seeing this newly added feature it seems it is intentional. Older BIOSes allow pretty high currents will almost no real time speed gains... unless you want your room warmer etc...

 

[bug]

I'm surprised nobody tried to put a positive spin on this yet.

 

[Punkenjoy]

It's been a while since i overclocked a parts, and when i did, i never had silicon luck. The last one was my 2600k stuck at 4.3 where most people were over 4.5 and even more.

Theses day, if you want significant gain, you have to either get low ends parts just to get decent performance or do Memory optimization. I tried that and i hate it. I don't have that much time free and when i do, i want to game, not look at a mem test screen. I think people into that are masochist but that is my opinion.


No overclocking is one thing, but the key here is Does it will support PBO or not. I suspect that AMD might have to do special power management on it and don't want people to burn their CPU

 

[zlobby]

Maybe the CPU is so fast it does not need overclocking.

Ot maybe it gets too fast when overclocked and it will cannibalize other products or segments? Or maybe just a buggy firmware for OC at this time and AMD are just asking for some time to fix it?

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Read some nonsense about auto is the new oc now

What they mean is heat produced from manual oc'ing isn't worth it to them because they only use an aio or air cooler

 

[zlobby]

Do Zen 3 overclock at all, they seem already at their limit.

I find their own 'turbos' to be on par with manual OC when the mobo, cooling and the PSU are up to the task. Plus, it's way more stable and power efficient this way.

 

[windwhirl]

I'm surprised nobody tried to put a positive spin on this yet.

I mean, while I don't really find many negatives in this due to CPUs doing their own OC these days, there really isn't anything exactly positive to spin about.

Could have removed the X from 5800X3D if you ask me, though.

 

[thunderingroar]

Am i the only one who thinks AMD is being a bit missleading here? In their charts they showed clock for clock comparison (4GHz static OC) of Vcache chip being 15% faster

And it turns out that 5800x3D clocks like 300 MHz lower than 5800x and now you also might not be able to overclock it yourself?

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Cache does improve performance

I was always disappointed in x299 crappy mesh topping out at 30 when most z chips can max at 50 and slaughter hedt in gaming benchmarks.

 

[Makaveli]

bro please bro just disable the OC on this cpu bro i beg you we want people to buy am5 not stay on am4 with an overclocked zen3d chip please bro just one non-oc chip

In unrelated news, Vermeer OC keeps declining beyond AGESA 1203 for No Reason Whatsoever.
make grug think, it do

Can you add some detail to this?

I'm still on AGESA 1203 Patch C and AGESA 1206 Patch B is just released for my board this week.

*edit* Actually never mind this post provides the details.

It is probably because of whackos that does absurd power limits to have higher all core.

Latest Agesa is bugged/featured in a way that if you turn EDC past 140A your CPU voltages will not go past 1.4V much. Meaning Turbo will not work as it should. Under 140A everything is fine.

Reading this and seeing this newly added feature it seems it is intentional. Older BIOSes allow pretty high currents will almost no real time speed gains... unless you want your room warmer etc...

 

[ir_cow]

If this is true. The CPU is DOA.

 

[TheLostSwede]

If this is true. The CPU is DOA.

It seems to be a temporary thing, but we'll just have to wait and see what happens, as the board makers haven't been given a reason as to why this was done.

 

[Bloax]

Can you add some detail to this?

I'm still on AGESA 1203 Patch C and AGESA 1206 Patch B is just released for my board this week.

*edit* Actually never mind this post provides the details.

Those power limits aren't for people doing silly things, blowing through EDC is/was the only way to get positive performance scaling beyond 1900 FCLK and 4700 Mhz.


Running 1900+ FCLK stable with minimum fabric errors is an exercise in bruteforcing a working set of SOC/IOD/CCD voltages, which is boring - but doable.
And 4700+ Mhz in fairly light loads is hardly anything special - my 5800x could run 4850 Mhz at 1.25v in the light loads I barely recall. :- )

Apparently Fun is banned on AM4, sad!
Hopefully AM5 will be better, otherwise Intel is the only place to have fun making your hardware go choo-choo, and minimum framerate go up.