AMD Asks Motherboard Makers to Remove Overclocking Options for Ryzen 7 5800X3D

[zlobby]

With the various frequency boosting technologies used by Intel and AMD has made overclocking obsolete. Maybe you can squeeze out a few more mhz to boost all cores at the cost of a ton of heat. But you will see a loss of single core performance because the single core boost is eliminated when you overclock. These CPUs just overclock themselves now with little to no performance left over.

I personally find it excellent. All the 'juice' should be at users' disposal just as the CPU is dropped in place. Why would anyone want 'hidden' potential, unlocked after tons of headaches?

 

[Cutechri]

I personally find it excellent. All the 'juice' should be at users' disposal just as the CPU is dropped in place. Why would anyone want 'hidden' potential, unloacked after tons of headaches?

This tbh. My 5900X sure is like that. 5.2 GHz on stock...

 

[Turmania]

Too expensive from start and now this .. AMD realky knows how to shoot themselves on the foot when they have some advantage. I seen this at athlon 64 days now again....they never learn...

 

[Makaveli]

Not sure if that was sarcasm, but I for one don't miss it. Yeah, it's nostalgia to different times but that's all.

You mean people crushing the exposed cores wasn't fun for you

Also on Radeon 9500, if you got the right, L-shaped memory variant.

Ahh the good old days I remember bios flashing a Radeon 8500LE. And remember the day I picked up the first radeon released Radeon 64DDR was the first videocard I bought with my own money.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Not sure if that was sarcasm, but I for one don't miss it. Yeah, it's nostalgia to different times but that's all.

I miss it, because you could gain 50% performance from your cheapo CPU, which is highly unlikely we'll ever see again.
Had a BP6 with a pair of Celeron 300's at 450MHz. I don't think I ever put any load on the second CPU
Then again, I have had a whole bunch of stuff over the years, because I could and it was cool/fun, without costing a fortune.
These days I feel like this hobby of ours is about to die, as the parts are hitting prices most of us are unwilling to pay.

 

[Xajel]

Maybe the CPU is so fast it does not need overclocking.

Maybe it CPU will be so fast that the GPU will skip frames, they'll have to bring back the turbo button again. /jk

 

[Why_Me]

@TheLostSwede you made the front page of TH today along with a few other tech sites.

 

[Bloax]

I miss it, because you could gain 50% performance from your cheapo CPU, which is highly unlikely we'll ever see again.
Had a BP6 with a pair of Celeron 300's at 450MHz. I don't think I ever put any load on the second CPU
Then again, I have had a whole bunch of stuff over the years, because I could and it was cool/fun, without costing a fortune.
These days I feel like this hobby of ours is about to die, as the parts are hitting prices most of us are unwilling to pay.

We will in fact see it this very generation of Intel CPUs, if ever somebody releases a cheap DDR4 B660/Z690 motherboard with an external clock generator.

The i3-12100f is a hundred eurobucks, can be cranked over 20% - easily more, depending on how lucky you get with the memory controller on locked System Agent (memory controller) voltage.
Really cool stuff.. At some indeterminate point in time!

 

[Fouquin]

his 3DV cache reminds me of HBM which is also not overclockable.

Damn, somebody should have told me that before I ran overclocks on the HBM for all the cards that have it.

 

[zo0lykas]

Too expensive from start and now this .. AMD realky knows how to shoot themselves on the foot when they have some advantage. I seen this at athlon 64 days now again....they never learn...

too expensive for you?
not expensive who understands what they getting, for it.

 

[seth1911]

yeah u get a bader version of the i7 5765C with eDRAM on its relese which one u could oc.


At the end of the day u get a 8 core cpu for 449$ with oc lock, with some more cache.


In 6 Month come Zen 4 and Raptor Lake, while u cant oc the great 58003dxyz and get beatn by the counterparts.

 

[Steevo]

I miss it, because you could gain 50% performance from your cheapo CPU, which is highly unlikely we'll ever see again.
Had a BP6 with a pair of Celeron 300's at 450MHz. I don't think I ever put any load on the second CPU
Then again, I have had a whole bunch of stuff over the years, because I could and it was cool/fun, without costing a fortune.
These days I feel like this hobby of ours is about to die, as the parts are hitting prices most of us are unwilling to pay.

A good pencil or conductive paint, razor and occasionally a multimeter.

 

[AnarchoPrimitiv]

If this is true. The CPU is DOA.

You do understand that the vast majority of people do not overclock, and there's really no reason too anymore as PBO will extract that performance anyway... I think you're being a bit dramatic

 

[ThrashZone]

yeah u get a bader version of the i7 5765C with eDRAM on its relese which one u could oc.


At the end of the day u get a 8 core cpu for 449$ with oc lock, with some more cache.


In 6 Month come Zen 4 and Raptor Lake, while u cant oc the great 58003dxyz and get beatn by the counterparts.

Hi,
16 threads
If it matches or beats a 24 thread intel chip would it matter if it's 8 core anymore ?
I'd say nope.

 

[seth1911]

it is totally useless for everyone, yeah u the best with ure ryzen 3d till ryzen 4 and raptorlake will be released, then u payed for 6 months 449$.

with zen 4 or raptor lake ull get a 8 core + board + 16gb ram for that.


Amd isnt stupid to make creative money,
get the garbage from the epyc and sell the customer that garbage for a unicorn.

 

[Makaveli]

it is totally useless for everyone, yeah u the best with ure ryzen 3d till ryzen 4 and raptorlake will be released, then u payed for 6 months 449$.

with zen 4 or raptor lake ull get a 8 core + board + 16gb ram for that.

I wouldn't consider it useless.

If one's plan is to skip the first revision of Zen 4 or to go to Zen 5.

 

[ThrashZone]

it is totally useless for everyone, yeah u the best with ure ryzen 3d till ryzen 4 and raptorlake will be released, then u payed for 6 months 449$.

with zen 4 or raptor lake ull get a 8 core + board + 16gb ram for that.


Amd isnt stupid to make creative money,
get the garbage from the epyc and sell the customer that garbage for a unicorn.

Hi,
Lots of people start out builds with cheaper chips knowing better chips will drop in price after 6 months.. or better chips will release later
Just saving money in the long run and lots of upgrade options.

 

[JMccovery]

People are getting bent out of shape over this, but maybe AMD is doing this because the structural supports placed over the cores may make things a bit too hot?

The 5800X3D does have lowered clocks compared to the 5800X...

Oh wait, I'm out of line here; *ahem* AMD bad. That should suffice.

 

[Makaveli]

People are getting bent out of shape over this, but maybe AMD is doing this because the structural supports placed over the cores may make things a bit too hot?

The 5800X3D does have lowered clocks compared to the 5800X...

Oh wait, I'm out of line here; *ahem* AMD bad. That should suffice.

Yup everyone has to wait for an actual product review instead of just hearsay.

 

[ghazi]

As a 5800X user who was feeling slightly jealous about the 5800X3D until reading this, I can't say I mind the news much personally.

Wasn't most of the 'overclocking' on the 5 series just tuning the pbo curve anyways?

I would take the gobs of cache and an undervolt over an overclock any day.

This is a misconception albeit a very common one. Of course it will depend on SKU, silicon lottery and workload. But manual OC is still better than PBO all-around, including in games, and this has been repeatedly demonstrated by actual overclockers. It should go without saying that overclocking data from reviews is generally worthless.

Also a bit saddened to see all the people here who've lost all enthusiasm for tweaking and overclocking. It certainly isn't as fun as it used to be when 50% OCs were normal but let's not kill it altogether shall we?

 

[chrcoluk]

Not a big deal, overclocking is out of fashion now.

 

[seth1911]

Everyone should spend the money for theyr fun, but not be proud of a good customer or alias a fanboy.


if i want i buy me some royal z just for fun
Nowadays a poor performance but a cool style, maybe ill buy a kit to my i3

 

[Tomorrow]

I suspect that the stacking of the cache on top of a very hot CPU (5800X itself is a very hot chip due to heat concentrated on the tiny chiplet), is going to run into issues if people tried to overclock it. I’ve used a 5800X previously and right out of the box and under a Cinebench R20 load, temps would shoot up to the mid 80s. That is with an Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360 cooler with an ambient temp of around 27 degrees C. If the design of the 3D cache is to sit just above the original chiplet, I think it will cause temps to increase.

They clearly stated that the extra cache is placed on top if the existing cache. Meaning not on top of the cores. Besides this will be using B2 revision that has 30W lower power draw and temps to begin with. Personally i think this might just be just product segmentation not to threaten the hierarchy.

What's really intersting to me is could the 5800X3D work with an older AGESA version that does not have these limits?
People have got 5000 series to boot on 300 series boards despite those not having support for Zen 3 in BIOS. And since X3D will be very similar to 5800X i wonder if someone could test overclocking it this way on say B550 or X570 with AGESA 1.2.0.3b or later.

 

[Bong-Jovi]

Do Zen 3 overclock at all, they seem already at their limit.

My 5ghz 5600x says yes

 

[phanbuey]

As a 5800X user who was feeling slightly jealous about the 5800X3D until reading this, I can't say I mind the news much personally.



This is a misconception albeit a very common one. Of course it will depend on SKU, silicon lottery and workload. But manual OC is still better than PBO all-around, including in games, and this has been repeatedly demonstrated by actual overclockers. It should go without saying that overclocking data from reviews is generally worthless.

Also a bit saddened to see all the people here who've lost all enthusiasm for tweaking and overclocking. It certainly isn't as fun as it used to be when 50% OCs were normal but let's not kill it altogether shall we?

I don't think anyone's lost enthusiasm... it's just that new tech > overclocking. I can run my chip at 5.4Ghz, but I don't see any benefits from 5.2 to 5.4 in games because I am memory bottlenecked. Faster cache memory gives huge gains, more core clock almost nothing.

if I had to choose between a heavily clocked 5800x and a 5800x with 96 mb of 3d cache would be an easy choice.