AMD Ryzen 7000 "Raphael" Zen 4 Processors Enter Mass-Production by April-May?

[btarunr]

The next-generation AMD Ryzen 7000 "Raphael" desktop processors in the Socket AM5 package are rumored to enter mass-production soon, according to Greymon55 on Twitter, a reliable source with AMD leaks. Silicon fabrication of the chips may already be underway, as the source claims that packaging (placing the dies on the fiberglass substrate or package), will commence by late-April or early-May. "Raphael" is a multi-chip module of "Zen 4" CCDs fabricated on the TSMC N5 (5 nm) node, combined with a cIOD built on a yet-unknown node. A plant in China performs packaging.

It's hard to predict retail availability, but for the Ryzen 5000 "Vermeer" processors, this development milestone was reached in June 2020, with the first products hitting shelves 4 months later, in November. This was, however, in the thick of the pre-vaccine COVID-19 pandemic. The "Zen 4" CPU cores are expected to introduce an IPC increase, as well as higher clock speeds. Also on offer will be next-gen connectivity, including PCI-Express Gen 5 (including CPU-attached Gen 5 NVMe), and DDR5 memory. These processors will launch alongside Socket AM5 motherboards based on the new AMD 600 series chipsets.



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[DemonicRyzen666]

cIOD is one of two things 7nm TSMC or Global foundries' 12nm High performance that matches TSMC 7nm in power and clocks.
supposedly there are rumors of a 3D cache versions of Zen 4 coming most likely a long while after the 7,000 series initial launch.
I wonder if they will be limited on voltage/overclock too like the prototype Zen3 3D chips are told to me

 

[Chaitanya]

Given how badly still Zero-Covid policy is being implemented in China with many companies packing their bags due to constant lockdowns seems like AMD is interested in "shortages".

 

[watzupken]

If I am not mistaken, there are rumours that AMD wanted to release their Zen 4 chips in Q3 this year. With that in mind, I feel the mass production in April or May may be too late. So chances is that there may be severe shortage again, assuming Zen 4 delivers significant improvement in performance.

 

[Valantar]

If I am not mistaken, there are rumours that AMD wanted to release their Zen 4 chips in Q3 this year. With that in mind, I feel the mass production in April or May may be too late. So chances is that there may be severe shortage again, assuming Zen 4 delivers significant improvement in performance.

It might be cutting it a bit close, but if June was sufficient for a mid-Q4 launch last time around, April-May might be all that's needed for a late-Q3 launch. There are also a few factors indicating that things might be a bit easier this time around: supply chains being better adjusted to the ongoing shortages and lockdowns and no near-synchronous console launches taking up massive amounts of wafers (they're still produced in huge volumes, but not as high as the pre-launch ramp). Of course the current rolling lockdowns in China are still a major hassle, and have gotten worse in the past month or so - but AFAIK no AMD CPUs are manufactured or packaged in China, so it might not be an issue (IDK about similar policies in more relevant countries).

 

[Wirko]

Someone attach that Apple tracker tag to one of these 5nm dies. I want to know how many times they travel around the world after they leave TSMC's fab before they reach the impatient consumer.

 

[aQi]

Well coming from last year fabrication process and unusual delays. This sounds very early and these babies may hit the shelve when ddr5 normalises its grounds.

 

[AnarchoPrimitiv]

cIOD is one of two things 7nm TSMC or Global foundries' 12nm High performance that matches TSMC 7nm in power and clocks.
supposedly there are rumors of a 3D cache versions of Zen 4 coming most likely a long while after the 7,000 series initial launch.
I wonder if they will be limited on voltage/overclock too like the prototype Zen3 3D chips are told to me

Rumors have the IO die on 6nm.... Can't wait for this to come out, not sure what I'm going to do though with respect to upgrading my x470/2700x...whether to pickup an x570 board once prices drop with the AM5 release (wouldn't mind having PCIe 4.0 since this upgrade would have to serve for at least the next three years) and a 5700x when Zen3 prices drop some more after Zen4 releases or get a used 5800x maybe, or to upgrade to AM5 and a 7700x (though that sounds like hundreds of dollars more since I'd like to stay with at least 8 cores).

I'd also like to upgrade my 5700xt sometime, but I refuse to pay even $200 over MSRP... I'm hoping that the 6800/6800XT becomes reasonably priced once the 7000 series is released. It'd be nice to pick up a 6800xt at MSRP (though who knows how much new inventory will be around once RDNA3 is released especially co sidering I'm sure there's plenty of people planning the same thing I am) , or perhaps I'll go to the used market for a GPU for the first time, though I am concerned about getting a beat to hell mining card and I have some hangups about going used even though I know plenty of people do it and have no problems....either way, I'm hoping prices will come down on the 6000 series once RDNA3 is released, though who knows in these crazy times. A 5700X(5800X)/6800XT system should get me through the next three years just like my 2700x/5700XT system will have by this November.

 

[tabascosauz]

but AFAIK no AMD CPUs are manufactured or packaged in China, so it might not be an issue (IDK about similar policies in more relevant countries).

Assembly might still be there if nothing changed. For consumer Zen at least, Suzhou has been a major assembly plant for generations now (possibly all the way back to 1st gen if not even earlier). I've gotten a few xxxxPGx chips (Malaysia) and a few xxxxSUx chips (China) so far amongst Matisse, Vermeer, Renoir, Cezanne.

China iirc was also historically one of the 4 main assembly locations for Intel as well, but idk the distribution in recent years.

 

[Ruru]

Weird looking IHS, reminds me of Skylake-X and its derivatives.

 

[noel_fs]

Rumors have the IO die on 6nm.... Can't wait for this to come out, not sure what I'm going to do though with respect to upgrading my x470/2700x...whether to pickup an x570 board once prices drop with the AM5 release (wouldn't mind having PCIe 4.0 since this upgrade would have to serve for at least the next three years) and a 5700x when Zen3 prices drop some more after Zen4 releases or get a used 5800x maybe, or to upgrade to AM5 and a 7700x (though that sounds like hundreds of dollars more since I'd like to stay with at least 8 cores).

I'd also like to upgrade my 5700xt sometime, but I refuse to pay even $200 over MSRP... I'm hoping that the 6800/6800XT becomes reasonably priced once the 7000 series is released. It'd be nice to pick up a 6800xt at MSRP (though who knows how much new inventory will be around once RDNA3 is released especially co sidering I'm sure there's plenty of people planning the same thing I am) , or perhaps I'll go to the used market for a GPU for the first time, though I am concerned about getting a beat to hell mining card and I have some hangups about going used even though I know plenty of people do it and have no problems....either way, I'm hoping prices will come down on the 6000 series once RDNA3 is released, though who knows in these crazy times. A 5700X(5800X)/6800XT system should get me through the next three years just like my 2700x/5700XT system will have by this November.

In my opinion if you are going to upgrade from that, do it for a new platform, if you dont want to pay the premium of release you could wait a couple of months. Its not like you desperately need an upgrade...

My prediction for zen4 would be 350$ for 7700X and 140$ for a decent b650. total 490$

A zen3 upgrade would be 250$ for 5700X and 110$ for a decent b550. total 360$

thats a 27% price difference for what is supposed to be a 30% ipc improvement and the typical added new features upgraded technology of a new platform (for example pcie 5.0). Worth for me.

Sure... ram, 16gb ddr5 im expecting to be 100$ for a decent kit. The thing sooner or later you will have to buy it, and in my opnion, the earlier the better because you will use it for longer and as the years go the investment will pay itself off.

Since you are looking to use it for years to come i think it makes the most sense to pay an extra 200$. Otherwise in 2-3 years you will probably feel like another CPU upgrade since im guessing GPUs will do 2160p at much higher framerates "requiring" more cpu ipc.

Your current build seems great for a NAS/Seedbox second life, or you could just sell it im guessing

 

[zlobby]

Donatello, Leonardo, Michelangelo and Raphaeeeeeel! Begin!

 

[Space Lynx]

yeah you won't be able to buy this one year, keep dreaming. paper launches, lockdowns in China from Covid, skyrocketing gas prices for even transatlantic shipping companies, and trade wars ramping up due to China supporting Russia in roundabout ways...

yeah... enjoy what you have... the world is changing... fast.

 

[zlobby]

yeah... enjoy what you have... the world is changing... fast.

People achieved (probably) around 95% of all major scientific discoveries in the last 60-70 years. Yet, human species existed for millenia.

It is a shame the majority of the people can't keep up with the progress and its consequences.

 

[Space Lynx]

People achieved (probably) around 95% of all major scientific discoveries in the last 60-70 years. Yet, human species existed for millenia.

It is a shame the majority of the people can't keep up with the progress and its consequences.

Once the Amazon Rain Forest stops supplying monsoon season to Africa, the ripple effects... well... lets just say mass migration and mass famine are incoming for several continents.

 

[mechtech]

Are they skipping the 6000 series???

 

[Cutechri]

Are they skipping the 6000 series???

6000 is Mobile only, Zen 3+

AMD Zen3+ Architecture and Ryzen 6000 "Rembrandt" Mobile Processors Detailed | TechPowerUp

 

[mechtech]

People achieved (probably) around 95% of all major scientific discoveries in the last 60-70 years. Yet, human species existed for millenia.

It is a shame the majority of the people can't keep up with the progress and its consequences.

Hmmm. No idea how to put a metric to this but I would guesstimate to current date 75% of major scientific discoveries were past 500 years and rest before then.

 

[zlobby]

Once the Amazon Rain Forest stops supplying monsoon season to Africa, the ripple effects... well... lets just say mass migration and mass famine are incoming for several continents.

If history is to show us anything, it's that nobody cares.

Well, I'm ready. Let them come! Peace through superior firepower.

Hmmm. No idea how to put a metric to this but I would guesstimate to current date 75% of major scientific discoveries were past 500 years and rest before then.

Well, best I can do is 100 years, counting from Planck's discovery in 1918.

 

[Ruru]

6000 is Mobile only, Zen 3+

AMD Zen3+ Architecture and Ryzen 6000 "Rembrandt" Mobile Processors Detailed | TechPowerUp

Also from marketing point of view it makes sense, as they have Ryzen 7000 and Radeon RX 7000 series on the market at the same time.

 

[chrcoluk]

Sales will likely underwhelm, upgrading to 2000, 3000, 5000 series cheap, but this is new board, new ram, not just new cpu.

 

[Valantar]

Sales will likely underwhelm, upgrading to 2000, 3000, 5000 series cheap, but this is new board, new ram, not just new cpu.

Why? Are AMD buyers only willing to upgrade if they can keep their platform? While the ability to do so for a long time is an advantage, people make platform upgrades ALL the time. I see no reason why sales of this would underhwelm - it's going to be faster and deliver a bunch of new features, after all. You might not get many upgrades from Zen3, but from generations before? Absolutely.

 

[kapone32]

Rumors have the IO die on 6nm.... Can't wait for this to come out, not sure what I'm going to do though with respect to upgrading my x470/2700x...whether to pickup an x570 board once prices drop with the AM5 release (wouldn't mind having PCIe 4.0 since this upgrade would have to serve for at least the next three years) and a 5700x when Zen3 prices drop some more after Zen4 releases or get a used 5800x maybe, or to upgrade to AM5 and a 7700x (though that sounds like hundreds of dollars more since I'd like to stay with at least 8 cores).

I'd also like to upgrade my 5700xt sometime, but I refuse to pay even $200 over MSRP... I'm hoping that the 6800/6800XT becomes reasonably priced once the 7000 series is released. It'd be nice to pick up a 6800xt at MSRP (though who knows how much new inventory will be around once RDNA3 is released especially co sidering I'm sure there's plenty of people planning the same thing I am) , or perhaps I'll go to the used market for a GPU for the first time, though I am concerned about getting a beat to hell mining card and I have some hangups about going used even though I know plenty of people do it and have no problems....either way, I'm hoping prices will come down on the 6000 series once RDNA3 is released, though who knows in these crazy times. A 5700X(5800X)/6800XT system should get me through the next three years just like my 2700x/5700XT system will have by this November.

Trust me a 5600X or 5800X would be a sensible upgrade even now the speed increase is real. 4.2 to 4.6 or 4.9 GHZ is really nice.

 

[Tek-Check]

We know from CES 2022 that one of Zen 4 CPUs was running "all cores at 5GHz". Which one is it? 7800X?
If so, and if Zen 4 scale similarly to Zen 3 in all-core performance, we might get a rough line-up as shown.

 

[Nephilim666]

We know from CES 2022 that one of Zen 4 CPUs was running "all cores at 5GHz". Which one is it? 7800X?
If so, and if Zen 4 scale similarly to Zen 3 in all-core performance, we might get a rough line-up as shown.

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I'd love to see how they manage 24 cores in AM5, would 5 chiplets (3* cpu, 1* gpu, 1* IOD) even fit on the substrate?