NVIDIA Allegedly Testing a 900 Watt TGP Ada Lovelace AD102 GPU

[mazzilla]

Holy crap. 900w? Just for the card? Jeez thats small domestic appliance territory. I suppose if you can afford the card you can afford the power use. Thats just utterly nuts.

 

[Slizzo]

No "G" in the codename means this isn't supposed to be a consumer product most likely, A100 for example was a completely different architecture from the Ampere used in consumer products. That doesn't mean I don't believe that they are capable of introducing cards with such ridiculous TGPs to the masses.

I believe they're skipping the G naming of GPUs this time around to avoid confusion with GA (Ampere).

 

[NukeDukem]

BRUH

 

[ppn]

People were complaining at the time of GTX 480 fermi the same way, but they got used to it. Nobody cares, just like for the deficit spending.
Just give me a 2KW power supply and 2KW solar power on the roof.

 

[napata]

No "G" in the codename means this isn't supposed to be a consumer product most likely, A100 for example was a completely different architecture from the Ampere used in consumer products. That doesn't mean I don't believe that they are capable of introducing cards with such ridiculous TGPs to the masses.

The AD chips are definitely the consumer products. No "G" doesn't mean anything, i.e. TU102.

 

[Vya Domus]

I believe they're skipping the G naming of GPUs this time around to avoid confusion with GA (Ampere).

Even if that's the case there is no guarantee this is in fact a chip meant for consumer products.

 

[defaultluser]

People were complaining at the time of GTX 480 fermi the same way, but they got used to it. Nobody cares, just like for the deficit spending.
Just give me a 2KW power supply and 2KW solar power on the roof.

Sure they did ;why then are the vast majority of shipping gaming systems use a 3070 TGP or less?

We only accepted more powerful cards once they upgraded the shit out of cooling systems (post-Pascal), and I wouldn't expect anything air cooled to exceed 450w in three slots anytime soon! Fermi popularized stock dual-slot coolers, but triples are not gong to become commonplace anytime soon!

 

[Chrispy_]

It's true that more energy intensive machine now do more. But they do WAY more and are still efficient when you compare the amount of energy in versus the work done.

With those cards, if a card running at 900w is 2 time faster than a card running at 300w, i could say, ok maybe, we are on something. But it's more likely that this card will be less than 50% more than a a 300w CPU, it's not progress.

I really doubt that it will be more than 50% more powerful than the same chip running at 300w but i may be wrong. Also, we need to consider that those are gaming card. They don't build infrastructure or house. They are just entertainment machine.

to me i think 250w is the sweat spot and 300/350w is really the upper limit of what i can tolerate. i wouldn't want to get a 900w heater in my PC. i would have to cool the case, then find a way to cool the room. If you don't have air conditioning in your room forget that during the summer.


To me, it's just Nvidia not wanting to lose max perf of next generation being slow on chiplet and taking crazy decision to stay on top.

Diminishing returns is the phrase you are looking for.
Especially with graphics cards, you get less additional performance for each Watt of power that's added.

I've graphed it in the past and the sweet spot of maximum efficiency is usually around 2/3rds of the clockspeed and half the power consumption. That's been true for both AMD and Nvidia GPUs since about 2016 so there's no reason to suspect that it won't also apply to Lovelace on the new process node.

 

[ppn]

absolutely, the dies size is the same as GA102, and since N5 technology provides about 20% faster speed than N7 technology or about 40% power reduction.
and compared to its 10nm FinFET process, TSMC's 7nm FinFET features 1.6X logic density, ~20% speed improvement, and ~40% power reduction. which in turn offers 2X logic density than its 16nm predecessor, along with ~15% faster speed and ~35% less power consumption.

SO I dont exactly know how many times faster speed and/or power reduction that makes, but since Nvidia skipped 10 and 7nm, ADa102 should be running at 1,20*1,20*1,15 or 1,65 * chips were already running at 2Ghz on 16nm, so we have 3.2GHz. ADa103 at same power/ size as 1080Ti or 0.6*0,6*0,65 250W down to 60 watts when downclocked to 2Ghz.

 

[CyberCT]

Hopefully these power hungry cards undervolt well. My 3070 ti is undervolted to 0.875mv max at 187X MHz. I can barely hear the GPU fans from under the TV and the GPU doesn't get hotter than 62C. Using the Kill-A-Watt it consumes roughly 70 watts less than stock for a 3-4% decrease in stock performance. Definitely worth the trade off to me.

 

[phanbuey]

This is like anti-marketing.

"How can we get people to instantly dislike our products without them even launching yet"

"Leak out some 900W board tests..."

 

[AusWolf]

No "G" in the codename means this isn't supposed to be a consumer product most likely, A100 for example was a completely different architecture from the Ampere used in consumer products. That doesn't mean I don't believe that they are capable of introducing cards with such ridiculous TGPs to the masses.

Not necessarily. They couldn't use GA again because they already used it for Ampere, just like they couldn't use GT for Turing because of Tesla, hence TU.

This should be illegal.

On a more serious note, this will definitely be a xx90 chip. Buyers of those don't give a damn about power consumption or heat. The majority of us, mere mortals, should be focused on xx60 and xx70 cards instead.

 

[Pumper]

Why is this shit allowed? If cars are getting stricter fuel economy and pollution requirement, why is PC hardware any different? You'd think that progress would lead to lower TDP, not the other way round.

 

[Hjadams973514]

This should be illegal.

It does not have to be illegal. Anyone dumb enough to buy a 900W card for gaming using residential power capacity deserves whatever happens to them as a result of the purchase. Which is why I don't believe this rumor at all. You simply can't cool a 900W card. You simply can't power a 900W card using residential power, unless you are willing to turn off everything else in the room other than you PC, monitor, and internet modem. And lets not even get started with your power bill if you game any more than 2 hours a week, which I assume you do if you are interested in this card.... The card simply won't sell, its as simple as that....

 

[PapaTaipei]

Why is this shit allowed? If cars are getting stricter fuel economy and pollution requirement, why is PC hardware any different? You'd think that progress would lead to lower TDP, not the other way round.

Correct

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Someone will buy it, they sell 3090ti so this will sell.

 

[freeagent]

Fermi popularized stock dual-slot coolers, but triples are not gong to become commonplace anytime soon!

My Fermi is a triple slot card, my other one was too

Honestly.. they lost me at 400w. I have no interest in the next gen cards from either manufacturer.. don’t care how many times stronger it is compared to my 3070 Ti. If you have no problems with running a 500w+ GPU.. all the power to you no pun intended

So much for going greener.. the boys running those companies have been dipping into the green a bit too much if you ask me, and I’m not talking about money either lol..

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Graphics cards are starting to get into the custom loop only realm

 

[ppn]

if you strive for silent operation 400W is 4 slots, 4080 on 4nm is perfectly doable on air. They just have to reuse the 3090Ti coolers.
and so on, 300W is triple slot. 900 watts is 9 slots. or a wall of 8x8x8fans like captain workplace did make fun of it.
And 4070 is such a joke again with 192 bit bus, i have to opt for a 4080 now.

 

[TheDeeGee]

I won't go above 250 Watts, so i guess that means a RTX 4030.

 

[ARF]

This is a psychological / political war against all of us, yes, there is politics in the technology. The ultimate goal is to keep us all under control and enslaved.

You, know, the world is changing towards "eco" modes, electric cars, etc. The world is turning its back to the fossil fuels... and this is the ellites' revenge - your choice now is to hate the electricity and its prices...

I have no other explanation.

This is ridiculous and if I were in the power - I would put Nvidia in the courts and not allow them to leave until they become humans again..

 

[thesmokingman]

 

[anachron]

It does not have to be illegal. Anyone dumb enough to buy a 900W card for gaming using residential power capacity deserves whatever happens to them as a result of the purchase. Which is why I don't believe this rumor at all. You simply can't cool a 900W card. You simply can't power a 900W card using residential power, unless you are willing to turn off everything else in the room other than you PC, monitor, and internet modem. And lets not even get started with your power bill if you game any more than 2 hours a week, which I assume you do if you are interested in this card.... The card simply won't sell, its as simple as that....

I certainly won't buy a 900W card but i don't see how it's an issue for residential power. A single socket can deliver 3520W here, even with the whole computer and screens you will still have no issue. You may eventually need a higher subscription than the medium 6kva i have if you intend to cook and heat at the same time that you are playing but that's pretty much it. I don't think that the kind of people who would be interested in this card would mind the price difference.

 

[80251]

It's not increasing that much with these stupidly overlocked cards, look at Apple ~ go wider or go home! This is why HBM(3) is the way to go, it's a lot more efficient than these monster power hungry GDDR6x cards.

What you said makes perfect sense, but why did AMD abandon HBM for their consumer cards? And while the bandwidth on HBM is incredible relative to any GDDRx flavour what is the latency like?

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

I wonder if Nvidia considered that consumers have to pay for electricity. I could not justify paying for an additional 1kw of service.

I wonder if Ferrari considered that consumers have to pay for gasoline. I could not justify paying for an additional 10 gallons of gas.

I wonder if pool companies considered that consumers have to pay for water. I could not justify paying for an additional 100 gallons of service.

ece. ece. If the power draw of a GPU means your power bill will be a concern, you shouldnt be buying a likely $2500+ video card. compared to a 400w GPU like the 3090 it's literally a 5-6$ difference over an entire YEAR unless you are playing 8+ hours a day, in which case your streaming will more then make up the difference.