AMD's Second Socket AM5 Ryzen Processor will be "Granite Ridge," Company Announces "Phoenix Point"

[btarunr]

AMD in its 2022 Financial Analyst Day presentation announced the codename for the second generation of Ryzen desktop processors for Socket AM5, which is "Granite Ridge." A successor to the Ryzen 7000 "Raphael," the next-generation "Granite Ridge" processor will incorporate the "Zen 5" CPU microarchitecture, with its CPU complex dies (CCDs) built on the 4 nm silicon fabrication node. "Zen 5" will feature several core-level designs as detailed in our older article, including a redesigned front-end with greater parallelism, which should indicate a much large execution stage. The architecture could also incorporate AI/ML performance enhancements as AMD taps into Xilinx IP to add more fixed-function hardware backing the AI/ML capabilities of its processors.

The "Zen 5" microarchitecture makes its client debut with Ryzen "Granite Ridge," and server debut with EPYC "Turin." It's being speculated that AMD could give "Turin" a round of CPU core-count increases, while retaining the same SP5 infrastructure; which means we could see either smaller CCDs, or higher core-count per CCD with "Zen 5." Much like "Raphael," the next-gen "Granite Ridge" will be a series of high core-count desktop processors that will feature a functional iGPU that's good enough for desktop/productivity, though not gaming. AMD confirmed that it doesn't see "Raphael" as an APU, and that its definition of an "APU" is a processor with a large iGPU that's capable of gaming. The company's next such APU will be "Phoenix Point."



The "Phoenix Point" silicon has been grinding through the rumor-mill for a couple of months now. It is rumored to be a monolithic die built on TSMC N5 (5 nm), feature a "Zen 4" CCX, a powerful iGPU based on the next-gen RDNA3 graphics architecture, DDR5 memory, and possibly PCI-Express Gen 5. The silicon could make its debut as a mobile processor first, followed by a desktop product in the AM5 package. From its Financial Analyst Day presentation, we don't gather AMD bringing "Rembrandt" to AM5, but something like that can't be ruled out for the entry/mainstream Ryzen 3 and Ryzen 5 segments. "Rembrandt" uses an older "Zen 3+" CCX.

"Phoenix Point" integrates what AMD calls an AIE (AI inference accelerator), which could be the much talked about hardware-acceleration component the company has been hinting at, for which it will draw IP and talent from its recently acquired Xilinx team. AIE and Infinity Fabric come together to form XDNA, the first AI-acceleration FPGA architecture by Xilinx, post its acquisition by AMD. XDNA will be found not just in client chips such as "Phoenix Point," but also server processors like "Turin," and super-scalar compute processors based on CDNA3.

The successor to "Phoenix Point" will be "Strix Point," which could see the integration of "Zen 5" CPU cores, a faster RDNA3 iGPU, XDNA AIE, and more. "Strix Point" is slated for 2023-24.

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[JAB Creations]

Now that more people are taking AMD seriously I hope AMD has enough sway to enforce a minimal ROM size for motherboards. A lot of knobs were blaming AMD when they were worth less than Asus for crying out loud! When I buy my first socket AM5 motherboard I'll have to research it just to be sure and I'll be buying two for redundancy for my business.

It will also be nice to finally be able to hit higher frequencies so we can easily benchmark AMD versus Intel both at both 4GHz and 5GHz. Knobs claiming Intel had better IPC over the 5800X3D completely ignored the fact that Intel was running a full gigahertz faster to achieve a whopping "2% victory". The sports-team mentality needs to die.

 

[Bomby569]

So may buzz words, just tell me performance numbers

It will also be nice to finally be able to hit higher frequencies so we can easily benchmark AMD versus Intel both at both 4GHz and 5GHz. Knobs claiming Intel had better IPC over the 5800X3D completely ignored the fact that Intel was running a full gigahertz faster to achieve a whopping "2% victory". The sports-team mentality needs to die.

you care too much about what others tink

 

[Kohl Baas]

Now that more people are taking AMD seriously I hope AMD has enough sway to enforce a minimal ROM size for motherboards. A lot of knobs were blaming AMD when they were worth less than Asus for crying out loud! When I buy my first socket AM5 motherboard I'll have to research it just to be sure and I'll be buying two for redundancy for my business.

It will also be nice to finally be able to hit higher frequencies so we can easily benchmark AMD versus Intel both at both 4GHz and 5GHz. Knobs claiming Intel had better IPC over the 5800X3D completely ignored the fact that Intel was running a full gigahertz faster to achieve a whopping "2% victory". The sports-team mentality needs to die.

You eithet research or just choose AsRock.

 

[thegnome]

Looks like they've run out of artist names. Back to the older philosophy (the same one as Intel) and calling it random points, ridges, lakes, monts, whatever.

 

[fancucker]

intel is the far more innovative company and their design philosophy is the future. AMD's high latency chiplet architecture is clunky and requires compensation from the consumer via expensive high frequency RAM. Raptor-Lake will destroy the AM5 hype. Just my two cents.

 

[Chrispy_]

Zen5 is still a long way off so this is good news because it shows AMD aren't stuck in the architecture rut that Intel festered in for the latter half of the previous decade. Solid R&D efforts are why we have competition in the CPU space again.

I'm hoping that AM5 finally gets us decent APUs that have the bandwidth, cache, and IGP performance to make good on the promise of a one-chip solution. This matters more for laptops than desktops but there's still a definite need for SFF desktops too.

I know AM5 CPUs are going to have a basic IGP but I would love to see something like a 24CU RDNA2/RDNA3 IGP. Presumably for desktop APUs they don't need to design a monolithic solution like they need in laptops, an MCM where one of the dies is a 24CU IGP cluster - so think like a Ryzen 7 5800X with better-than-6500XT graphics onboard.

The implications of that are huge, because one of the limiting factors in workstation usage is the VRAM capacity, not the outright performance. If you could use 32GB of system memory on an IGP then potentially AMD will be stealing business away from Quadro and 3090 prosumer/professional users.