AMD GPU Prices Fall Below MSRP in Europe, NVIDIA GPUs Approach the Baseline

[AleksandarK]

Graphics card prices have been on a steady decline in the past few months, following their peak in May of last year when we saw double and triple pricing compared to the baseline MSRP value. According to the 3DCenter.org report, which tracks graphics card prices in Germany and Austria, we have information that AMD GPU prices have dipped below MSRP, while NVIDIA GPUs are very close to baseline listed prices. The report tracks Ethereum mining profitability and displays it in the yellow line. As the line is declining, so are the GPU prices. For AMD, the prices are now 8% below the 100% of MSRP. At 92%, consumers can find AMD GPUs at a slight discount. While AMD cards are slightly cheaper, NVIDIA GPUs are now at 102% of the MSRP, the lowest price point since the launch.


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[progste]

prices still look pretty high to me, but definitely not as bad as last year.

 

[R0H1T]

Well they'll probably fall much lower, could be a sign of (bad) things to come! Generally speaking Megacorps know about this stuff a lot earlier than your average pleb

 

[bonehead123]

This only proved the old saying: "A fool & his money are soon parted"

But the real question is whether these so-called "msrp's" are just falling back to what they were at the upswing of the pandemic/scalping trend, or actually back to what they were back in the "normal" days, when a top-of-the-line GPu could easily be had for around $600-900, at least here in the US anyways.......

 

[Luminescent]

Even so, my generation is too old to care about GPU upgrades and PC games and kids don't seem interested in PC gaming at all.
Most of them use some console to play or mobile phone.
Whatever the price, high or low, i see very little interest in GPU's and desktop computers in general.
I do event videography and photography, most of my clients don't have a desktop computer, laptop,phone and smart TV is where they consume media, my website statistics show 99% access from mobile phones.

 

[ZetZet]

Even so, my generation is too old to care about GPU upgrades and PC games and kids don't seem interested in PC gaming at all.
Most of them use some console to play or mobile phone.
Whatever the price, high or low, i see very little interest in GPU's and desktop computers in general.
I do event videography and photography, most of my clients don't have a desktop computer, laptop,phone and smart TV is where they consume media, my website statistics show 99% access from mobile phones.

Strange things you see considering PC gaming has never ever been a larger industry than it is now. It is actually larger than consoles by quite a large margin.

 

[Bwaze]

What MSRP, the original one from card introduction? Are we seeing $699 RTX 3080 cards?

No, we aren't. And we have to point that out, nobody even mentions it in "articles". But you sure are convincing us that after two years of pure robbery prices now are "ideal".

 

[Testsubject01]

prices still look pretty high to me, but definitely not as bad as last year.

In parts because since Maxwell (900-series) the MSRP got raised by “healthy” margins, then crypto came back, a global pandemic hit, a ship got stuck in a canal, etc.
Guess from a business standpoint, it is a pure bliss to see products selling for MSRP just as they make room for the next gen.

Bought the GTX 980 three months after release for 10% off (2014 MSRP 549,99€), a 3080 10GB would clock in at 799,99€ MSRP (2020), street price is 869,99€ currently.

 

[looniam]

here are your channel clearing price cuts.

you're welcome.

 

[progste]

In parts because since Maxwell (900-series) the MSRP got raised by “healthy” margins, then crypto came back, a global pandemic hit, a ship got stuck in a canal, etc.
Guess from a business standpoint, it is a pure bliss to see products selling for MSRP just as they make room for the next gen.

Bought the GTX 980 three months after release for 10% off (2014 MSRP 549,99€), a 3080 10GB would clock in at 799,99€ MSRP (2020), street price is 869,99€ currently.

that's true, in a normal cycle we should see a 3080 going for 350€, at least that's how things used to before bitcoin was a thing and in the in-between period where there was no profitable mining target for GPUs.
My 290x that i got used for 100€ when a friend was upgrading to a 1080 is gonna stay in my PC until things cool down again.

 

[neatfeatguy]

Even so, my generation is too old to care about GPU upgrades and PC games and kids don't seem interested in PC gaming at all.
Most of them use some console to play or mobile phone.
Whatever the price, high or low, i see very little interest in GPU's and desktop computers in general.
I do event videography and photography, most of my clients don't have a desktop computer, laptop,phone and smart TV is where they consume media, my website statistics show 99% access from mobile phones.

My kids were always clamoring to play games on my computer. So I eventually got enough parts and a near MSRP 3060Ti last year, so I gifted them a computer for Christmas. They were psyched! A week later I get the kids.....

Me: Okay, guys. Let's put this computer together!
Daughter: That's stupid. No one wants to know how to put a computer together. This is dumb.
Son: Okay, I guess.

10 minutes into getting boxes opened and showing the kids what to do the daughter has already wandered off and my son is sitting there saying, "This is boring." over and over again.

Little ingrates. I put the computer together and got everything working. My son used the computer for the first few months and kept telling me he needs such and such games and I can find them on Steam......games he only asked about once, said he never played them before, but he knew he would like them and play them all the time if I bought them for him. I said I would think about it and he never asked again. My daughter has not touched the computer once and my son has used it once in the past 4 months.

However, ironically, my daughter has built some "kick ass" gaming rigs (according to her) on some PC Builder Simulator on her iPad that she's shown to me. I asked her what's different about building one on the app and actually being able to build one and she just shrugged her shoulders and said no one cares about actually building a real computer and she walked away.

That's just as dumb as my son (was 7 at the time this happened) that threw a fit about having to clean and how much hated cleaning and it was stupid. Only to find him later, after he cleaned his room, playing on his laptop that grandpa & grandma got him for Christmas that year, a cleaning game. He went around the house as a maid robot (think Rosie from The Jetsons) and cleaning. He told me that cleaning stuff in real life is stupid and boring, but cleaning in the game as a robot makes it fun.

I only personally know one kid that's hooked on PC gaming and he's trying to save up his money for a gaming system. His quad core laptop with a 2060 in it isn't good enough for him because he wants to stream games. He wants something with 8+ cores and at least a 3070. Otherwise most kids these days are on a console or just their phone/tablet. PC gaming is lost on these kids.

 

[Pumper]

Does not mean much when the MSRPs are inflated anyway (not like Asus, MSI, etc. have set their base price at the level of FE and AMD GPUs).

 

[looniam]

My kids were always clamoring to play games on my computer. So I eventually got enough parts and a near MSRP 3060Ti last year, so I gifted them a computer for Christmas. They were psyched! A week later I get the kids.....

Me: Okay, guys. Let's put this computer together!
Daughter: That's stupid. No one wants to know how to put a computer together. This is dumb.
Son: Okay, I guess.

10 minutes into getting boxes opened and showing the kids what to do the daughter has already wandered off and my son is sitting there saying, "This is boring." over and over again.

Little ingrates. I put the computer together and got everything working. My son used the computer for the first few months and kept telling me he needs such and such games and I can find them on Steam......games he only asked about once, said he never played them before, but he knew he would like them and play them all the time if I bought them for him. I said I would think about it and he never asked again. My daughter has not touched the computer once and my son has used it once in the past 4 months.

However, ironically, my daughter has built some "kick ass" gaming rigs (according to her) on some PC Builder Simulator on her iPad that she's shown to me. I asked her what's different about building one on the app and actually being able to build one and she just shrugged her shoulders and said no one cares about actually building a real computer and she walked away.

That's just as dumb as my son (was 7 at the time this happened) that threw a fit about having to clean and how much hated cleaning and it was stupid. Only to find him later, after he cleaned his room, playing on his laptop that grandpa & grandma got him for Christmas that year, a cleaning game. He went around the house as a maid robot (think Rosie from The Jetsons) and cleaning. He told me that cleaning stuff in real life is stupid and boring, but cleaning in the game as a robot makes it fun.

I only personally know one kid that's hooked on PC gaming and he's trying to save up his money for a gaming system. His quad core laptop with a 2060 in it isn't good enough for him because he wants to stream games. He wants something with 8+ cores and at least a 3070. Otherwise most kids these days are on a console or just their phone/tablet. PC gaming is lost on these kids.

sounds to me your jealous that iPad apps are getting higher ratings than you are . .

 

[PCL]

I see very little interest in GPU's and desktop computers in general.

"This thing that's been scalped/sold out/massively overpriced for years now and is only approaching MSRP before the release of the next-gen? Nobody wants them."

That sure is a take.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

My kids were always clamoring to play games on my computer. So I eventually got enough parts and a near MSRP 3060Ti last year, so I gifted them a computer for Christmas. They were psyched! A week later I get the kids.....

Me: Okay, guys. Let's put this computer together!
Daughter: That's stupid. No one wants to know how to put a computer together. This is dumb.
Son: Okay, I guess.

10 minutes into getting boxes opened and showing the kids what to do the daughter has already wandered off and my son is sitting there saying, "This is boring." over and over again.

Little ingrates. I put the computer together and got everything working. My son used the computer for the first few months and kept telling me he needs such and such games and I can find them on Steam......games he only asked about once, said he never played them before, but he knew he would like them and play them all the time if I bought them for him. I said I would think about it and he never asked again. My daughter has not touched the computer once and my son has used it once in the past 4 months.

However, ironically, my daughter has built some "kick ass" gaming rigs (according to her) on some PC Builder Simulator on her iPad that she's shown to me. I asked her what's different about building one on the app and actually being able to build one and she just shrugged her shoulders and said no one cares about actually building a real computer and she walked away.

That's just as dumb as my son (was 7 at the time this happened) that threw a fit about having to clean and how much hated cleaning and it was stupid. Only to find him later, after he cleaned his room, playing on his laptop that grandpa & grandma got him for Christmas that year, a cleaning game. He went around the house as a maid robot (think Rosie from The Jetsons) and cleaning. He told me that cleaning stuff in real life is stupid and boring, but cleaning in the game as a robot makes it fun.

I only personally know one kid that's hooked on PC gaming and he's trying to save up his money for a gaming system. His quad core laptop with a 2060 in it isn't good enough for him because he wants to stream games. He wants something with 8+ cores and at least a 3070. Otherwise most kids these days are on a console or just their phone/tablet. PC gaming is lost on these kids.

Sounds like a parenting problem. If I'd clamored for a gaming PC, got one for Christmas, then complained like that, the PC would have been returned and I'd be getting lectured on being thankful for us being well off enough to get such a wonderful present, followed by the next Christmas being nothing but socks.

 

[Sithaer]

My kids were always clamoring to play games on my computer. So I eventually got enough parts and a near MSRP 3060Ti last year, so I gifted them a computer for Christmas. They were psyched! A week later I get the kids.....

Me: Okay, guys. Let's put this computer together!
Daughter: That's stupid. No one wants to know how to put a computer together. This is dumb.
Son: Okay, I guess.

10 minutes into getting boxes opened and showing the kids what to do the daughter has already wandered off and my son is sitting there saying, "This is boring." over and over again.

Little ingrates. I put the computer together and got everything working. My son used the computer for the first few months and kept telling me he needs such and such games and I can find them on Steam......games he only asked about once, said he never played them before, but he knew he would like them and play them all the time if I bought them for him. I said I would think about it and he never asked again. My daughter has not touched the computer once and my son has used it once in the past 4 months.

However, ironically, my daughter has built some "kick ass" gaming rigs (according to her) on some PC Builder Simulator on her iPad that she's shown to me. I asked her what's different about building one on the app and actually being able to build one and she just shrugged her shoulders and said no one cares about actually building a real computer and she walked away.

That's just as dumb as my son (was 7 at the time this happened) that threw a fit about having to clean and how much hated cleaning and it was stupid. Only to find him later, after he cleaned his room, playing on his laptop that grandpa & grandma got him for Christmas that year, a cleaning game. He went around the house as a maid robot (think Rosie from The Jetsons) and cleaning. He told me that cleaning stuff in real life is stupid and boring, but cleaning in the game as a robot makes it fun.

I only personally know one kid that's hooked on PC gaming and he's trying to save up his money for a gaming system. His quad core laptop with a 2060 in it isn't good enough for him because he wants to stream games. He wants something with 8+ cores and at least a 3070. Otherwise most kids these days are on a console or just their phone/tablet. PC gaming is lost on these kids.

That kind of behaviour would piss me off to no end, I guess I can add that to my already huge list of why I don't ever want kids.
I hope at least you found some 'proper' use for that 3060 Ti, thats like the performance level I'm trying to upgrade to later this year. 'wasted hardware makes me sad in a way'

As for the MSRP thing yea well that was never really a thing where I live so good for them I guess.
I can see that prices droped somewhat even here but still way too expensive to buy brand new cards from a etailer. '~550$ for a 6600 XT'

 

[Frick]

Not in Sweden.

 

[windwhirl]

when a top-of-the-line GPu could easily be had for around $600-900, at least here in the US anyways.......

... seems unlikely.

Market proved there was enough people willing to pay high prices for a GPU, so there's not much incentive to go back to the old days.

 

[neatfeatguy]

Sounds like a parenting problem. If I'd clamored for a gaming PC, got one for Christmas, then complained like that, the PC would have been returned and I'd be getting lectured on being thankful for us being well off enough to get such a wonderful present, followed by the next Christmas being nothing but socks.

If they didn't care about it after the fact, sending it back wouldn't have made a lick of difference, but cool jab about it being a parenting issue. Nice way to be a dick about it.

That kind of behaviour would piss me off to no end, I guess I can add that to my already huge list of why I don't ever want kids.
I hope at least you found some 'proper' use for that 3060 Ti, thats like the performance level I'm trying to upgrade to later this year. 'wasted hardware makes me sad in a way'

As for the MSRP thing yea well that was never really a thing where I live so good for them I guess.
I can see that prices droped somewhat even here but still way too expensive to buy brand new cards from a etailer. '~550$ for a 6600 XT'

I look at it two ways:
1) should something happen to my system/GPU, I at least have a capable backup.
2) I may end up donating it next year if my kids don't find any further use for it. Hopefully my friends can get their fundraiser up and off the ground next year, it'll be a good outlet to put this computer up for auction.

 

[ModEl4]

It really depends on the model but essentially all Nvidia cards are above SRP unless you go 3080Ti and above (3080 12GB doesn't have $849 SRP) while many AMD models are below SRP, but with that high AMD SRP prices it doesn't say much, although usually, still better than Nvidia's offers based on current street prices (especially RX6600 which at 299€ is very good offer in the current market, if RX6500XT drops 15€ at 159€ it will be equally good offer but even at 174€ you can't really complain much compared to current Nvidia's street pricing)
If i wanted to give specific SRPs (too risky) instead of range, probably in the mainstream market (≤ $500) we will have something like the below SRPs in a pessimistic scenario for the new models :

Cut down AD104 12GB $499 SRP
Navi 33 8GB $479 SRP (street price closer to -$50 of the cut down AD104 street price after awhile)
Full AD106 8GB $379
Cut down AD106 8GB $329
Full AD107 8GB $279
Cut down AD107 8GB $229

 

[looniam]

If they didn't care about it after the fact, sending it back wouldn't have made a lick of difference, but cool jab about it being a parenting issue. Nice way to be a dick about it.



I look at it two ways:
1) should something happen to my system/GPU, I at least have a capable backup.
2) I may end up donating it next year if my kids don't find any further use for it. Hopefully my friends can get their fundraiser up and off the ground next year, it'll be a good outlet to put this computer up for auction.

would you be willing to adopt a well potty trained* 59 year old orphan?

*maybe not so much after 20+ years.

 

[zo0lykas]

yeah price really nice at the moment

i ordered 6800xt in feb 28, paid £1050, now in the same shop £799, its uk price tag

 

[mechtech]

They are trying to empty all the warehouses of cards that didn’t sell at 3x msrp.
Need to make room for the next gen coming.

 

[TheDeeGee]

I guess The Netherlands is tone deaf then, cuz everything i still sky high here, AMD and Nvidia.

 

[brutlern]

Can some please tell me what the actual MSRP (in numbers, not percentages) in Europe actually is? Because if the MSRP in the US, I'm looking it at the 3080 specifically, is 700 usd, so lets say +20% in Europe would be 850 usd tops, we are nowhere near that in Europe. We are currently at least 1000+ usd everywhere I look, 1100 usd being more common. I found on a german website, the cheapest one at 930 usd, it's better than 1100 usd, but still not only 2% over MSRP. The fact is, the 2080 MSRP was 700 usd also, I bought that at just under 800 usd way back then. So, where are all the 800 +2% usd 3080s at?

The article says, that on average, in Europe, nvidia cards are only 2% higher than MSRP. They must be talking about Europa, one of Jupiter's moons, but that's the only place you could buy the cards at +2% over MSRP.

And BTW, the cheapest price on newegg for a 3080 is 800 usd, so even there they are 14% above MSRP.