Intel Puts Ohio Fab Groundbreaking Ceremony on Hold, Indefinitely

[Daven]

Hate on Intel all you want, but they actually do pretty nice stuff.

For the amount of money they make compared to everyone else, I wholeheartedly disagree.

 

[Fourstaff]

I wonder if Intel is using this excuse as a way to delay their capex investment, given the incoming recession and potential overcapacity.

 

[mechtech]

"The US Congress hasn't been able to agree on passing what is known as the CHIPS Act, which consists of some US$52 billion in subsidies for semiconductor manufacturers and it appears that Intel isn't very pleased."

Well it's hard to cry poor............when you're not.

 

[trparky]

It's what a lot of westerners fail to grasp -- the implementation will always lead to a tiny corrupt minority controlling and oppressing the masses in the name of 'good'. Always has, and always will.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. It's always been the case that if you give someone a little bit of power, they'll always want more. To deny this is to deny human nature.

It's the same with money. It doesn't matter how much you have; you'll always want more.

 

[mama]

Usually there is a reluctance for companies to let the public know they are receiving public money. It suggests the company is in trouble. But Intel seems to have no compunctions. It's a blatant attempt to secure financial support. Maybe they are banking on a public outcry to "support poor Intel"!

 

[the54thvoid]

Hi folks, please keep to the topic which is the CHIPS act and Intel's decision about the Ohio fab.

 

[bogmali]

If you can't keep your political garbage out, no point in posting, thread was cleansed, and issued thread bans. The title is about Ohio fab for crying out loud and not your personal experiences

 

[TheLostSwede]

that might be the register but here in ohio:

both the cleveland plain feeler, errr plain dealer and columbus dispatch give more accurate info . . just saying.

btw, google "Bypass Paywalls by Adam"

but yeah, intel is too use to getting their own way in asia for too long. surprised?

The Register got some of their story from the Wall Street Journal.

Also, none of what I wrote contradicts what your local papers are reporting. Intel never said they wouldn't build the fab, but it might get a lower priority.

I'm sorry for Intel, but politicians just follow the crisis of the moment and right now because of inflation the chip crisis has been already forgotten. Pat should hope that China will follow Russia's example and invade Taiwan soon, then the CHIPS act will become a priority again.

Wow, just wow.

Stagnation isn't as bad as some people believe, imo. There was stagnation in the Sandy Bridge refresh refresh +++ era, and everybody cried "ohhh, dear Intel, we want more than 4 cores", but who won in the end? The same people who cried, because they didn't have to buy a new CPU and motherboard for a decade. If stagnation means no Rapid Super Lake refresh refresh ++ every year, I think I'm fine.

It also wouldn't be bad if we didn't generate so much e-waste in the name of progress and performance increase.

Indeed, do we really need a new CPU or GPU core every year? Maybe we should slow down to every 18-24 months and try and make slightly bigger jumps in performance each time instead?

 

[looniam]

The Register got some of their story from the Wall Street Journal.

Also, none of what I wrote contradicts what your local papers are reporting. Intel never said they wouldn't build the fab, but it might get a lower priority.

so? bloomberg and cnbc also got it wrong.

The move is not a signal that Intel is delaying or canceling construction of the planned $20 billion plant, which could expand to become a $100 billion facility and will continue as planned.

Intel said late Thursday afternoon that work is continuing as planned for the New Albany factories but confirmed that it plans to delay the July 22 ground-breaking ceremony.

it seems you missed that.

i mean really? i have to argue for the point of the reporters; who are at the state's capital, getting information first hand from both parties, intel and gov dewine w/senator rob portman, over some national reporters that [probably] only read intel's arizona announcements?

meh.

c'mon, ceremonial ground breaking ≠ start of construction. intel is just drawing attention back to themselves as some rubes and morons have been getting the headlines over here lately.

 

[AusWolf]

Indeed, do we really need a new CPU or GPU core every year? Maybe we should slow down to every 18-24 months and try and make slightly bigger jumps in performance each time instead?

Exactly my thoughts! I don't need a 10-15% IPC increase. I usually say that if an upgrade doesn't bring at least 2x performance, it's not worth it.

Most ewaste in computers comes from motherboards. Due to greed and lazy planning, Intel pushes a new socket more than anyone else.

That is true, although I just don't understand people who buy the newest shiny thing every year. If the old one still serves your needs, then what's the point?

With that said, I guess I'm guilty, too, in a way. I tend to buy a lot of computer hardware just out of curiosity, but I always find some use for my old stuff by either selling, repurposing in another PC, or just as part of my collection.

 

[Bomby569]

they only stop the inauguration (seems like to stop politicians to get photo time) and expansion (no funding scale down), so it seems nothing there wrong here.

 

[TheLostSwede]

so? bloomberg and cnbc also got it wrong.

it seems you missed that.

No, I didn't miss anything. You clearly can't read if you're saying I missed something. It's a difference between delaying or cancelling the start of the construction vs. prioritising a different site over the one in Ohio. Intel can start the construction tomorrow, but still finish is after their new German fab. Again, it's not about getting it wrong, it's about the meaning of words, as they matter.

i mean really? i have to argue for the point of the reporters; who are at the state's capital, getting information first hand from both parties, intel and gov dewine w/senator rob portman, over some national reporters that [probably] only read intel's arizona announcements?

Again, did I say they were wrong? I said what they wrote doesn't contradict other reports, which you don't seem to understand.

meh.

c'mon, ceremonial ground breaking ≠ start of construction. intel is just drawing attention back to themselves as some rubes and morons have been getting the headlines over here lately.

Sorry? Are you calling me and this publication names? For what purpose? If you're unhappy with the content, you're free to take it up with @W1zzard

 

[64K]

No, I didn't miss anything. You clearly can't read if you're saying I missed something. It's a difference between delaying or cancelling the start of the construction vs. prioritising a different site over the one in Ohio. Intel can start the construction tomorrow, but still finish is after their new German fab. Again, it's not about getting it wrong, it's about the meaning of words, as they matter.

Again, did I say they were wrong? I said what they wrote doesn't contradict other reports, which you don't seem to understand.

Sorry? Are you calling me and this publication names? For what purpose? If you're unhappy with the content, you're free to take it up with @W1zzard

Don't take offense. Some are going to complain no matter what you do. imo you're doing a better job at reporting the news than on some sites. A gaming site I visit is overrun with them. They complain if there aren't enough articles and they complain if the site owner posts more articles.

 

[Bomby569]

Indeed, do we really need a new CPU or GPU core every year? Maybe we should slow down to every 18-24 months and try and make slightly bigger jumps in performance each time instead?

and more optimized in terms of performance vs power consumption.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

If only Intel had leftover money after expenses, let’s call that money ‘profits’ and used it to build its own factories.

Nah that would cut into the executive yacht and private jet bonuses.

Edit: I just looked it up and it turns out profits are a real thing. Intel made $30 billion in profit last year. They said it would take $20 billion to build TWO fabs in Ohio.

Nah still not enough to cover the hookers and blow.

Edit2: I also just looked it up and it turns out the CHIPS Act would be paid for by the poor and middle class. Well they dont need yachts, private jets, hookers or blow. So they have money to spare. Win win!!!

Well they certainly have more money than AMD, cant see them ever building a FAB in any country. They will forever be reliant on someone else to manufacture their stuff. Building FABS creates jobs, so what if it means subsidising a company to do it. The only reason dummys fly is because it is Intel. If it was AMD the dummys would still be firmly in gobs.

 

[looniam]

No, I didn't miss anything. You clearly can't read if you're saying I missed something.

i can't read ?
"The move is not a signal that Intel is delaying or canceling construction"

It's a difference between delaying or cancelling the start of the construction vs. prioritising a different site over the one in Ohio. Intel can start the construction tomorrow, but still finish is after their new German fab. Again, it's not about getting it wrong, it's about the meaning of words, as they matter.

looks to me you're trying to play with words. the two fabs will go on as originally scheduled, the future expansion of 6 other fabs is what intel is keeping to rattle their tin cup.

or it this like intel, that the press can also count their chickens before they hatch? national and international press somehow knows better than local; where its in their own backyard. how about i tell you about life in taiwan? europe? africa? wouldn't that be rather ignorant? arrogant? get the picture?

Again, did I say they were wrong? I said what they wrote doesn't contradict other reports, which you don't seem to understand.

see above. the meaning of no delay does means the opposite of delay. in the meantime, in the last 8 years i've been to over a dozen ground breakings and those nothing more than a photo op. on a few sites construction had already begun while some were still 6 months away; ceremonial ground breaking is ceremonial photo op only.

Sorry? Are you calling me and this publication names? For what purpose? If you're unhappy with the content, you're free to take it up with @W1zzard

wow. talk about lack of read comprehension:

. . as some rubes and morons have been getting the headlines over here lately.

over HERE, like the US of efin' A! like the head lines of gun laws, abortion rights, jan 6th insurrections. i didn't wish to specifically mention them since politics is off topic and against the guidelines.

way to go pal.

E: and lets be clear before you start crying foul again, up until this post i said nothing about you or this site, i kept it to sources. but if you're going to start off criticizing my reading comprehension, well pal, that's another ballgame.

 

[Bomby569]

Well they certainly have more money than AMD, cant see them ever building a FAB in any country. They will forever be reliant on someone else to manufacture their stuff. Building FABS creates jobs, so what if it means subsidising a company to do it. The only reason dummys fly is because it is Intel. If it was AMD the dummys would still be firmly in gobs.

I don't know if i understood correctly the tone of this, but it sure is more capitalist and lazy to just outsorce fabs to asia like AMD does. It's part of the AMD good, all Intel does bad thing.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I wonder if Intel is using this excuse as a way to delay their capex investment, given the incoming recession and potential overcapacity.

That would be a very reasonable conclusion. Don't think the recession going to last very long.

 

[Rogerw]

Companies that are shareholder owned will always seek to minimise costs. It's why corporations move to low tax states (Texas, for example) to secure tax breaks (which means less money going to the state and therefore to local resources, schools etc). It's why Apple and others moved to Ireland in the EU (again, a huge tax let off). People ought to understand that if you want a big business to play 'fair', you need to level the playing field (by state cash incentives). Or, you stop private ownership and have profit put back into the company and its workforce. If that sounds unpalatabble, and you espouse the freedoms of the free-market, you can say goodbye to 'friendly' businesses. All they seek to do is enrich their shareholders. And often, those that hold huge volumes of shares are CEO's (Geslinger, Musk, Bezos, etc). But, this sort of cut-thoat profiteering is also associated with innovation. So... what do you want? Freedom and corruption, or control (followed by corruption) and stagnation?

I want freedom and redistribution. Let them compete, but limit their reward. Raise corporate taxes and use it for the betterment of the middle class.

 

[Vayra86]

that might be the register but here in ohio:

both the cleveland plain feeler, errr plain dealer and columbus dispatch give more accurate info . . just saying.

btw, google "Bypass Paywalls by Adam"

but yeah, intel is too use to getting their own way in asia for too long. surprised?

This is just a negotiation, Intel is used to negotiations, and so it seems is US congress. Basically, we know Intel must move ahead with fab capacity, or they'll leave a lot MORE money on the table than 20 or 30 billion bucks.

The fact is GloFo is relegated already to older nodes. Another fact is Intel is close to that moment. Its either advance, or be left in a situation similar to AMD: fabless.

For Europe though the perspective is much more interesting, I totally get why Germany is willing to pay. They're an industrial powerhouse in the Union, and chips are in almost every industry, x86 isn't going away either. Germany just witnessed first hand there are no guarantees unless you control them yourself. Europe experienced a similar scenario. Just trade and everyone is gonna be friends, is an illusion. Without forms of deterrence, you'll lose.

 

[Daven]

I don't know if i understood correctly the tone of this, but it sure is more capitalist and lazy to just outsorce fabs to asia like AMD does. It's part of the AMD good, all Intel does bad thing.

You guyz are too into if one company does bad another related company must be doing good. Can’t a company just suck all on its own?

 

[AusWolf]

You guyz are too into if one company does bad another related company must be doing good. Can’t a company just suck all on its own?

Why would Intel or AMD suck? As far as I know, they're both doing great despite the pandemic, the recession and other geopolitical events.

 

[WeeRab]

Yeah. The CEO of one of the richest companies in the world trying to stiff the US taxpayer for MORE money. The American way....

 

[Bomby569]

Yeah. The CEO of one of the richest companies in the world trying to stiff the US taxpayer for MORE money. The American way....

it's not "more money", it's the money the US gov. promissed them when they called for their help in building fabs in the US. That's a weird spin of reality

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Americans stiff themselves