AMD Ryzen 7000 Series Dragon Range and Phoenix Mobile Processor Specifications Leak

[AleksandarK]

AMD is preparing to update its mobile sector with the latest IP in the form of Zen4 CPU cores and RDNA3 graphics. According to Red Gaming Tech, we have specifications of upcoming processor families. First, we have AMD Dragon Range mobile processors representing a downsized Raphael design for laptops. Carrying Zen4 CPU cores and RDNA2 integrated graphics, these processors are meant to power high-performance laptops with up to 16 cores and 32 threads. Being a direct competitor to Intel's Alder Lake-HX, these processors also carry an interesting naming convention. The available SKUs include AMD Ryzen 5 7600HX, Ryzen 7 7800HX, Ryzen 9 7900HX, and Ryzen 9 7980HX design with a massive 16-core configuration. These CPUs are envisioned to run along with more powerful dedicated graphics, with clock speeds of 4.8-5.0+ GHz.

Next, we have AMD Phoenix processors, which take Dragon Range's design to a higher level thanks to the newer graphics IP. Having Zen4 cores, Phoenix processors carry upgraded RDNA3 graphics chips to provide a performance level similar to NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 3060 Max-Q SKU, all in one package. These APUs will come in four initial configurations: Ryzen 5 7600HS, Ryzen 7 7800HS, Ryzen 9 7900HS, and Ryzen 9 7980HS. While maxing out at eight cores, these APUs will compensate with additional GPU compute units with a modular chiplet design. AMD Phoenix is set to become AMD's first chiplet design launching for the laptop market, and we can expect more details as we approach the launch date.


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[SL2]

It makes sense that Dragon Range isn't an APU.

 

[BoboOOZ]

Well, it all looks very nice, but the APU is not on the level of 3060 Max Q, that's pure misinformation, not sure it's even 1650 Max Q level, more like MX350 or maybe 450. Which is still great for an APU, but let's stop smoking mushrooms, shall we

 

[Daven]

It makes sense that Dragon Range isn't an APU.

Its technically still an APU with 2 CUs of RDNA2. Or at least its a CPU + GPU but maybe a little less of some IO and GPU instruction sets.

Well, it all looks very nice, but the APU is not on the level of 3060 Max Q, that's pure misinformation, not sure it's even 1650 Max Q level, more like MX350 or maybe 450. Which is still great for an APU, but let's stop smoking mushrooms, shall we

Its 1536 shader cores. That’s double the current 768 at higher clocks. Thats should be close to 3060M.

 

[BoboOOZ]

Its technically still an APU with 2 CUs of RDNA2. Or at least its a CPU + GPU but maybe a little less of some IO and GPU instruction sets.


Its 1536 shader cores. That’s double the current 768 at higher clocks. Thats should be close to 3060M.

Vega 8 is 2TFlops, Phoenix will be around 5. 3060M is 10TFlops, and it has 3850 shading units.

AMD Radeon Graphics 512SP Specs

AMD Cezanne, 2000 MHz, 512 Cores, 32 TMUs, 8 ROPs

www.techpowerup.com

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Mobile Specs

NVIDIA GA106, 1425 MHz, 3840 Cores, 120 TMUs, 48 ROPs, 6144 MB GDDR6, 1750 MHz, 192 bit

www.techpowerup.com

 

[usiname]

Vega 8 is 2TFlops, Phoenix will be around 5. 3060M is 10TFlops, and it has 3850 shading units.

AMD Radeon Graphics 512SP Specs

AMD Cezanne, 2000 MHz, 512 Cores, 32 TMUs, 8 ROPs

www.techpowerup.com

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Mobile Specs

NVIDIA GA106, 1425 MHz, 3840 Cores, 120 TMUs, 48 ROPs, 6144 MB GDDR6, 1750 MHz, 192 bit

www.techpowerup.com

Phoenix is 9.2TFlops, but anyway, the TFlops does not mean anything for gaming.

 

[Lionheart]

Well, it all looks very nice, but the APU is not on the level of 3060 Max Q, that's pure misinformation, not sure it's even 1650 Max Q level, more like MX350 or maybe 450. Which is still great for an APU, but let's stop smoking mushrooms, shall we

MX350/450? Sounds like you're the one that smoking mushrooms.

 

[Daven]

Vega 8 is 2TFlops, Phoenix will be around 5. 3060M is 10TFlops, and it has 3850 shading units.

AMD Radeon Graphics 512SP Specs

AMD Cezanne, 2000 MHz, 512 Cores, 32 TMUs, 8 ROPs

www.techpowerup.com

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Mobile Specs

NVIDIA GA106, 1425 MHz, 3840 Cores, 120 TMUs, 48 ROPs, 6144 MB GDDR6, 1750 MHz, 192 bit

www.techpowerup.com

Phoenix is rumored at 9.2 Tflops. RDNA3 is 128 shaders per CU now not 64. Ampere needs about double the cores to compete against RDNA. Thats 1536 in Phoenix vs 3840 in the 3060M.

Edit: The Phoenix numbers are in the second graphic in the article above. Of course these are rumors so we don’t know anything for sure yet.

 

[Bones]

Well, it all looks very nice, but the APU is not on the level of 3060 Max Q, that's pure misinformation, not sure it's even 1650 Max Q level, more like MX350 or maybe 450. Which is still great for an APU, but let's stop smoking mushrooms, shall we

MX350/450? Sounds like you're the one that smoking mushrooms.

Whoa guys - Let's all burn a shroom and chill for a sec here.

This is a leak, not a real world example so nothing is set in stone about it at this point - Just bear in mind anything about the specs can change from now until actual release date.

As said here from the OP's post; "AMD Phoenix is set to become AMD's first chiplet design launching for the laptop market, and we can expect more details as we approach the launch date" along with "These CPUs are envisioned to run along with more powerful dedicated graphics, with clock speeds of 4.8-5.0+ GHz", means it's still not set in stone what it's going to be or capable of.

Nothing wrong with a little speculation but don't be off and running with it, things can be different in the end from what is being said today.
More details to come anyway so let's view it with a grain or two of salt at least, lest we overhype things here.

 

[john_]

Well, it all looks very nice, but the APU is not on the level of 3060 Max Q, that's pure misinformation, not sure it's even 1650 Max Q level, more like MX350 or maybe 450. Which is still great for an APU, but let's stop smoking mushrooms, shall we

Current 680M is faster than MX 350 if I am not mistaken.

 

[Daven]

Whoa guys - Let's all burn a shroom and chill for a sec here.

This is a leak, not a real world example so nothing is set in stone about it at this point - Just bear in mind anything about the specs can change from now until actual release date.

As said here from the OP's post; "AMD Phoenix is set to become AMD's first chiplet design launching for the laptop market, and we can expect more details as we approach the launch date" along with "These CPUs are envisioned to run along with more powerful dedicated graphics, with clock speeds of 4.8-5.0+ GHz", means it's still not set in stone what it's going to be or capable of.

Nothing wrong with a little speculation but don't be off and running with it, things can be different in the end from what is being said today.
More details to come anyway so let's view it with a grain or two of salt at least, lest we overhype things here.

A little discussion is okay and the point of these comment threads on sites like TPU.

The comments above are for the Phoenix mobile APU. You are mixing Phoenix with Dragon Range. Dragon Range is envisioned to run with discrete graphics. Phoenix has a powerful iGPU for thin and lights where discrete graphics don’t make sense.

 

[Bones]

A little discussion is okay and the point of these comment threads on sites like TPU.

The comments above are for the Phoenix mobile APU. You are mixing Phoenix with Dragon Range. Dragon Range is envisioned to run with discrete graphics. Phoenix has a powerful iGPU for thin and lights where discrete graphics don’t make sense.

I get it and I've been around long enough to know that - Would be a shame to see this turn into something it shoudn't, esp over something that's probrably not going to be as it's presented ATM by the leak.
I'm all for discussion, no doubt but at the same time we do need to remember this is a leak and that goes for both chips, it's not actual confirmed info about them in a final release form.

 

[zlobby]

Give me already!

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

A little discussion is okay and the point of these comment threads on sites like TPU.

The comments above are for the Phoenix mobile APU. You are mixing Phoenix with Dragon Range. Dragon Range is envisioned to run with discrete graphics. Phoenix has a powerful iGPU for thin and lights where discrete graphics don’t make sense.

TPU has schills for both sides that only comment only on front page news articles/releases/leaks.

 

[AnarchoPrimitiv]

Well, it all looks very nice, but the APU is not on the level of 3060 Max Q, that's pure misinformation, not sure it's even 1650 Max Q level, more like MX350 or maybe 450. Which is still great for an APU, but let's stop smoking mushrooms, shall we

According to notebookcheck, the 680m scores 21% faster than an MX450 in time spy graphics test. The 680m is 7% faster than the MX450 in the Firestrike Standard graphics test. It's 18% faster than the MX450 in Elden Ring at 1080p on high settings. It's 55% faster than the MX450 in Battlefield 2042 at 1080p medium setting.... Basically, the 680m is way faster than the MX450 in basically everything

https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-680M-GPU-Benchmarks-and-Specs.589860.0.html

Based on what I'm seeing, and how close the 680m is to the 1650, I have no problem believing an RDNA3 APU with the 12 or more CUs (the 680m as 12 CUs) should definitely surpass anything from Nvidia's MX line and could encroach on the 3050/3060s. RDNA3 is already claimed to have a substantial increase in efficiency (performance per watt) and IPC which should translate well to a power and temperature limited APU application, so coupled with Zen4 cores, it should definitely be very disruptive. I think it could easily be the first APU/iGPU to do 1080p on medium to high settings at 60fps. If that turns out to be true, I'd love for AMD to make a desktop APU with equivalent or even more graphical horsepower so I could use it to make an awesome SFF HTPC/Console alternative /emulation box.... I'm still hoping my dream of a Zen4 /16+CU RDNA3 desktop APU with at least 4GB of Hbm3 (or at least HBM2e) is made...one that has at least x8 PCIe 4.0/5.0 lanes so you have the option of adding a dGPU if you want later and that could then use the Hbm3 as a huge L4 cache or something..
. I'm not going to hold my breath, but it'd be cool

 

[R0H1T]

That guy on MLiD's just a scam artist, he regurgitates probably half of the WTFtech rumors with some condiments & ketchup to make these BS videos! If you're guessing a 1000x plausible combinations I'm sure at least 1 will stick like s*** on the wall

Same goes for the other YT channel

 

[Daven]

TPU has schills for both sides that only comment only on front page news articles/releases/leaks.

So that makes you what exactly?

 

[SL2]

Its technically still an APU with 2 CUs of RDNA2.

No, you contradict yourself. It's not an APU.

AMD Answers Our Zen 4 Tech Questions, with Robert Hallock

AMD just announced their new Zen 4-based Ryzen 7000 desktop processors. We sat down with AMD's Robert Hallock and asked him a load of technical questions to learn more about what to expect from the new platform, its highlights, and capabilities.

www.techpowerup.com

 

[IceShroom]

That guy on MLiD's just a scam artist, he regurgitates probably half of the WTFtech rumors with some condiments & ketchup to make these BS videos! If you're guessing a 1000x plausible combinations I'm sure at least 1 will stick like s*** on the wall

Same goes for the other YT channel

Are you talking about some guest or MLiD himself?? Cause i also found many leaks on that podcast quite wild.

 

[ARF]

AMD needs to release something faster because it trails behind the mobile Core i9 series.

The Ryzen 9 6980HX is around 9% faster than the Ryzen 9 5980HX.
So, 23262 x1.09 would result in 25424 for the Ryzen 9 6980HX PassMark score.

The Core i9-12900HK is still some more 11% faster.

PassMark - AMD Ryzen 9 5980HX - Price performance comparison (cpubenchmark.net)

PassMark - Intel Core i9-12900HK - Price performance comparison (cpubenchmark.net)

 

[R0H1T]

Are you talking about some guest or MLiD himself?

The showrunner, he's like WTFtech on tubes!

 

[IceShroom]

The showrunner, he's like WTFtech on tubes!

Isn't he is the one who started 20% IPC on Zen4, when AMD said nothing about IPC?? We will see lots of disappointed people after next APU released with realistic spec.

 

[Daven]

No, you contradict yourself. It's not an APU.

AMD Answers Our Zen 4 Tech Questions, with Robert Hallock

AMD just announced their new Zen 4-based Ryzen 7000 desktop processors. We sat down with AMD's Robert Hallock and asked him a load of technical questions to learn more about what to expect from the new platform, its highlights, and capabilities.

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I went through all four pages of comments at your link and could not find a comment from me. Can you elaborate? I seem to remember talking about APUs somewhere. Was it the article about the CPU-GPU Instinct hybrid?

Isn't he is the one who started 20% IPC on Zen4, when AMD said nothing about IPC?? We will see lots of disappointed people after next APU released with realistic spec.

I’m thinking AMD might have planned for high IPC in Zen 4 but changed the plans and delayed things as they talked about Zen 5 being a major architectural change in the Analyst Day earlier this month.

Even TPU has a quote from AMD in their upcoming products article saying Zen 4 would be looked at from scratch to find performance wherever possible. I think they were too ambitious and delayed these changes to Zen 5.

 

[IceShroom]

I’m thinking AMD might have planned for high IPC in Zen 4 but changed the plans and delayed things as they talked about Zen 5 being a major architectural change in the Analyst Day earlier this month.

Even TPU has a quote from AMD in their upcoming products article saying Zen 4 would be looked at from scratch to find performance wherever possible. I think they were too ambitious and delayed these changes to Zen 5.

That is why people need to take those rumor as rumor. Otherwise people are up for a lots of disappointment.

 

[ModEl4]

That guy on MLiD's just a scam artist, he regurgitates probably half of the WTFtech rumors with some condiments & ketchup to make these BS videos! If you're guessing a 1000x plausible combinations I'm sure at least 1 will stick like s*** on the wall

Same goes for the other YT channel

Exactly my view, he is a scam artist.
It has some very good primary sources in commercial sector, I haven't watched more than 2-3 videos and it was way way back so I don't remember if usually have info from Lenovo or HP or Dell. The other sources it seems to be mostly what the other channels have also, but it makes usually (he is very hit or miss) better analysis of background leaks/info from the rest of the channels and he is more daring so he post his forecasts anyway overreaching what other channels are willing to forecast and the hit or miss percentage is offset greatly from the obscure wording and the margin of errors that use in his predictions. I really don't care about that, it doesn't bother me, it's difficult what he is trying to do anyway, what it's disturbing is that he tries in every chance to build fake credibility (maybe I'm wrong, but the use of word «sources» in a video of his may be more than a Diablo playthrough playing as wizard lol)