AMD Ryzen Threadripper Pro 5900WX-series Pricing Revealed

[TheLostSwede]

Last week, AMD announced that its Ryzen Threadripper Pro 5900WX-series of processors were going to be available from more OEMs, with an eventual retail version of the three models going to be available. Now the company has shared the retail pricing for the new workstation processors and it would appear that AMD's HEDT platform has become unobtanium for most consumers, after having been one of the cheapest platforms out there only a couple of generations ago. According to Tom's Hardware, whom AMD shared the pricing with, the Ryzen Threadripper Pro 5965WX, the 24 core, 48 thread entry level model, will start at US$2,399, which is more than a 32 core, 64 thread Threadripper 3970X, which has a retail price of US$1,999.

A step up is the 32 core, 64 thread Threadripper Pro 5975WX for US$3,299 and at the top of the stacks, sits the 64 core, 128 thread Threadripper Pro 5995WX for the hefty price of US$6,499. All three models have 128 PCIe lanes and a 280 W TDP. AMD seems to have decided to cash in on its core and thread advantage over Intel, as Intel's highest-end workstation chip is the Xeon W-3375, with 38 cores and 76 threads, which comes in at US$4,499, but only has half the PCIe lane count and a much smaller cache. That said, Intel is expected to launch its 4th generation of Xeon W processors, codenamed Sapphire Rapids later this year, which is expected to feature a 56 core, 112 thread SKU, which should bring some competition to AMD in this market segment.



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[SOAREVERSOR]

Bring back HEDT! All this WS stuff is nice but some of us are looking for a more middle option.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Bring back HEDT! All this WS stuff is nice but some of us are looking for a more middle option.

HEDT is reportedly dead, for now.

 

[P4-630]

So...Finally time to build a new system @eidairaman1 ?...

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Insane only come to mind

 

[bobsled]

HEDT is reportedly dead, for now.

Count me as frustrated from being kicked to the kerb.

I’ll eventually have to accept the insufficient lane count of standard desktop platforms, but then I may be open to going Intel again. Well done AMD.

 

[Wirko]

Bring back HEDT! All this WS stuff is nice but some of us are looking for a more middle option.

Maybe it exists but is disguised as Epyc - if you can accept somewhat lower clocks. Also, there's no shortage of good server motherboards.

 

[SOAREVERSOR]

Maybe it exists but is disguised as Epyc - if you can accept somewhat lower clocks. Also, there's no shortage of good server motherboards.

I need the PCI-E but the drawbacks aren't good.

 

[eazen]

Bring back HEDT! All this WS stuff is nice but some of us are looking for a more middle option.

I would say, unless you need a ton of PCIE lanes the normal platform is easily enough for you with 16 cores and PCIE 4.0. Otherwise you can look for older 3000 series Threadripper. I think the normal platform should be enough for most people that needed HEDT before. I remember when I had HEDT and 6 cores were special with Intel. 16 is a lot.

 

[Dr_b_]

Totally obscene pricing, this is professional and enterprise only pricing
consumer boards are not only constrained with 16PCIe lanes, mobo manufacturers keep reducing the # of slots in favor of more m.2
Here's to hoping fishhawk falls gets released and offers something to the loyal and neglected HEDT user base

 

[kapone32]

Count me as frustrated from being kicked to the kerb.

I’ll eventually have to accept the insufficient lane count of standard desktop platforms, but then I may be open to going Intel again. Well done AMD.

I hear you on that. The MSI X570S Ace Max is by far the closest you will get to a reminder of Threadripper. Of course there is a tremendous amount of lane sharing but at least you get 3 x8 PCIe 16 slots. Of course there is a caveat to that too as you need to use a PCIe card with a controller like the WD AN 1500 to span across multiple drives on the 3rd slot. Having said all of that I was pumped to get back into Threadripper but the 5950X trounced my 2920X by so much that the PCIe joy became secondary. Having said that if they release a new Threadripper run for AM5 I will probably be more keen to get that than just the regular offerings (If the CPUs are affordable).

I would say, unless you need a ton of PCIE lanes the normal platform is easily enough for you with 16 cores and PCIE 4.0. Otherwise you can look for older 3000 series Threadripper. I think the normal platform should be enough for most people that needed HEDT before. I remember when I had HEDT and 6 cores were special with Intel. 16 is a lot.

Yes but there is not a X570 board that can rival even the cheapest TRX40 board. I am not disputing the CPU power as even the best 3000 chip cannot match the 5950X in terms of regular workloads but I feel HEDT is now in the realm of rendering and animation and as such makes a workstation user appreciate 32+ cores and 4x M2 cards in RAID 0 across 8 or 12 drives. It will be interesting to see how Direct Storage plays with RAID 0 NVME for us regular users though.

 

[eazen]

I hear you on that. The MSI X570S Ace Max is by far the closest you will get to a reminder of Threadripper. Of course there is a tremendous amount of lane sharing but at least you get 3 x8 PCIe 16 slots. Of course there is a caveat to that too as you need to use a PCIe card with a controller like the WD AN 1500 to span across multiple drives on the 3rd slot. Having said all of that I was pumped to get back into Threadripper but the 5950X trounced my 2920X by so much that the PCIe joy became secondary. Having said that if they release a new Threadripper run for AM5 I will probably be more keen to get that than just the regular offerings (If the CPUs are affordable).


Yes but there is not a X570 board that can rival even the cheapest TRX40 board. I am not disputing the CPU power as even the best 3000 chip cannot match the 5950X in terms of regular workloads but I feel HEDT is now in the realm of rendering and animation and as such makes a workstation user appreciate 32+ cores and 4x M2 cards in RAID 0 across 8 or 12 drives. It will be interesting to see how Direct Storage plays with RAID 0 NVME for us regular users though.

It’s easy though, if you’re a WS user you simply buy Threadripper Pro 3000/5000, if you’re not, I don’t see the big need for HEDT. Years back it was the only way to get a future proof really nice platform with 6-10 cores and proper SLI support, but both things are now either eclipsed or not a thing anymore. If you need highspeed lan for example, it’s easy to buy a board with 2.5Gbit or higher LAN, it’s all workable on the normal platform now, while before, it wasn’t.

 

[SOAREVERSOR]

It’s easy though, if you’re a WS user you simply buy Threadripper Pro 3000/5000, if you’re not, I don’t see the big need for HEDT. Years back it was the only way to get a future proof really nice platform with 6-10 cores and proper SLI support, but both things are now either eclipsed or not a thing anymore. If you need highspeed lan for example, it’s easy to buy a board with 2.5Gbit or higher LAN, it’s all workable on the normal platform now, while before, it wasn’t.

Various people have various things. Some people have need of better networking than onboard and that comes on PCI-E. Toss in something like a RAID controller and one of those cards for multiple m.2 and there you go. There are all sorts of devices hell capture cards are another good one.

 

[kapone32]

It’s easy though, if you’re a WS user you simply buy Threadripper Pro 3000/5000, if you’re not, I don’t see the big need for HEDT. Years back it was the only way to get a future proof really nice platform with 6-10 cores and proper SLI support, but both things are now either eclipsed or not a thing anymore. If you need highspeed lan for example, it’s easy to buy a board with 2.5Gbit or higher LAN, it’s all workable on the normal platform now, while before, it wasn’t.

I am not disputing that at all but who builds a PC just for needs? I could build a 5600/6600/3050 with a 1080P 144Hz monitor and be happy Gaming. Some features are still reserved to the $400+ space like 10GB lan. There are plenty of users though that are into want and value. The only thing that is prohibitive in building a HEDT is the cost of the CPU. That is the kicker though the value of HEDT became what you got with a Motherboard and it's stellar vs any other platform that the consumer can buy at the store. Don't take it the wrong way but a $250 1900X from Amazon paired with a $250-300 X399 board from Ebay would allow for a 14+ GPU mining rig on 1 Motherboard. It is sad though because there was a time when you did not need HEDT for PCIe goodness. As maligned as AM3 was you still got plenty of PCIe lanes to do with as you pleased. Does anyone remember DVB-S2 cards? My favourite MB is still the Asus 990FX Sabretooth and then the MSI X399 Gaming Pro Carbon AC($150 Display unit no box or manual) with the MSI X570S Ace Max in 3rd. I wanted to get a AS Rock TRX40 Taichi but could not justify a 3960x.

 

[ModEl4]

If AMD is willing (probably not) to rebalance a little bit the profits coming from server-workstation class CPUs vs ryzen class, it may potentially be good news for gamers/simple users and regardless willingness to do so or not it will anyway give AMD more freedom to respond in a optimistic scenario more aggressively regarding price if the competition gets more traction market share wise than what AMD is forecasting.

 

[eazen]

I am not disputing that at all but who builds a PC just for needs? I could build a 5600/6600/3050 with a 1080P 144Hz monitor and be happy Gaming. Some features are still reserved to the $400+ space like 10GB lan. There are plenty of users though that are into want and value. The only thing that is prohibitive in building a HEDT is the cost of the CPU. That is the kicker though the value of HEDT became what you got with a Motherboard and it's stellar vs any other platform that the consumer can buy at the store. Don't take it the wrong way but a $250 1900X from Amazon paired with a $250-300 X399 board from Ebay would allow for a 14+ GPU mining rig on 1 Motherboard. It is sad though because there was a time when you did not need HEDT for PCIe goodness. As maligned as AM3 was you still got plenty of PCIe lanes to do with as you pleased. Does anyone remember DVB-S2 cards? My favourite MB is still the Asus 990FX Sabretooth and then the MSI X399 Gaming Pro Carbon AC($150 Display unit no box or manual) with the MSI X570S Ace Max in 3rd. I wanted to get a AS Rock TRX40 Taichi but could not justify a 3960x.

I think it’s fairly easy to get a Threadripper TR40 / 3000 series CPU, maybe even new, but soon it will be WS only or expensive / abused stuff from eBay. AM3 is nice, but I don’t think it’s in any way or shape better than what AM4 offers. There are boards for everything, I don’t know about mining (and I don’t care tbh).

 

[eidairaman1]

So...Finally time to build a new system @eidairaman1 ?...

Life beyond computers takes priority for me.

Its a Dream Rig for me lol.

 

[kapone32]

I think it’s fairly easy to get a Threadripper TR40 / 3000 series CPU, maybe even new, but soon it will be WS only or expensive / abused stuff from eBay. AM3 is nice, but I don’t think it’s in any way or shape better than what AM4 offers. There are boards for everything, I don’t know about mining (and I don’t care tbh).

The Cheapest (New) 3960X CPU is $2000 by itself. Used are not less than $1000.

 

[eazen]

The Cheapest (New) 3960X CPU is $2000 by itself. Used are not less than $1000.

Well then it’s kinda RIP, but still less expensive than WRX stuff, the mainboards there plus 8 ram sticks make it still far more expensive, the only upside being it has Zen 3 cores.

 

[Valantar]

It’s easy though, if you’re a WS user you simply buy Threadripper Pro 3000/5000, if you’re not, I don’t see the big need for HEDT. Years back it was the only way to get a future proof really nice platform with 6-10 cores and proper SLI support, but both things are now either eclipsed or not a thing anymore. If you need highspeed lan for example, it’s easy to buy a board with 2.5Gbit or higher LAN, it’s all workable on the normal platform now, while before, it wasn’t.

I think it’s fairly easy to get a Threadripper TR40 / 3000 series CPU, maybe even new, but soon it will be WS only or expensive / abused stuff from eBay. AM3 is nice, but I don’t think it’s in any way or shape better than what AM4 offers. There are boards for everything, I don’t know about mining (and I don’t care tbh).

Exactly this. MSDT has eaten the HEDT niche except for the handful of people who need tons of PCIe lanes (and can't make do with fewer, faster lanes). Which is an ever-shrinking number of people too. Most PCs never see more than a single concurrent AIC. Sucks for the few people out there on hobbyist budgets who need tons of PCIe, but ... well, it's just not feasible to cater for such a small niche with such high-cost components at low prices. It was easier when HEDT had the advantages of PCIe, a meaningful core count advantage for consumer tasks, and higher power budgets. These days it's only the former (and RAM channel counts, though those have minimal impact on performance in consumer applications).

 

[lexluthermiester]

I want a 16C/32T version of TR...

 

[ThrashZone]

Life beyond computers takes priority for me.

Its a Dream Rig for me lol.

Hi,
It looks like it's going to leave a large mark

I want a 16C/32T version of TR...

Jump from 16 to 24 on amd is always crazy high.

 

[mashie]

If I needed 24 cores HEDT/WS setup I would simply go down the route of the EPYC 7443P for ~1k less than the 5965WX and without the need of an overpriced and massive EATX board, could simply use an EPYC ATX board.

 

[Wirko]

Various people have various things. Some people have need of better networking than onboard and that comes on PCI-E. Toss in something like a RAID controller and one of those cards for multiple m.2 and there you go. There are all sorts of devices hell capture cards are another good one.

Hm, I wasn't aware that you can't get a Z690 board with three PCIe slots that are at least x4 (electrical).

Internal connectivity is getting worse but external connectivity is getting better - the trend is evident in Alder Lake platform and AM5 apparently follows that. It's both bad and good, some people with multiple desktop and laptop PCs will value portability and buy external GPU enclosures, capture cards, maybe storage and network cards interfaces too.

 

[Valantar]

Hm, I wasn't aware that you can't get a Z690 board with three PCIe slots that are at least x4 (electrical).

Internal connectivity is getting worse but external connectivity is getting better - the trend is evident in Alder Lake platform and AM5 apparently follows that. It's both bad and good, some people with multiple desktop and laptop PCs will value portability and buy external GPU enclosures, capture cards, maybe storage and network cards interfaces too.

Getting worse is... well, inaccurate. Fewer slots, sure, but much, much faster slots, and better bifurcation support. It's a bit of a wash, mostly it's just adapting to actual use of the hardware. The current (and likely future) reality is that the vast, vast majority of PCs will never see more than a single AIC at a time, and most of the ones with more than one will have two. Needing more than two, and also needing all of them to have a lot of lanes? That's a tiny, tiny niche. And, of course, most higher end ATX motherboards allow you to split the x16 slot into x8+x8, which might have a ~1-2% performance effect on your GPU, but will solve all your other issues. And, of course, that performance cut isn't even remotely noticeable. The only case in which that isn't a good fix is if you're using one of those passive quad m.2 bifurcation cards, but that already pretty much places you in the "money is not a problem" category. Either way, connectivity in most PCs is more than most enthusiasts need, let alone most users. This doesn't help those in the niches that are getting left out by these developments, but unless we want motherboard/platform costs to skyrocket there isn't much to be done about this.