Windows 11 a Flop, Survey Claims Less Than 1% Upgraded, Microsoft Improves Start Menu

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Put a toe in, I'm not totally neg but damn, some of the changes are mental.
Looks a lot like Linux too odd.

 

[bug]

Hated what they did with win8 start screen, tiles and all the flatness, win10 brought back start menu but flatness and tiles carried over ... I don't know what it is, subtle gradient borders or bit of roundness, flatness is more palatable now, I actually have no issues with win11 changes - even centered taskbar as default ... works well on bigger laptops with centered touchpads, and I was so convinced I'll hate it - go figure.

It's just our brains getting used to the flatness.
Incidentally, MS did everything flat because they wanted cross-platform software that would work on mobile, that was very underpowered at the time. Today, the flatness is still with us, but the hardware limitations (or MS's ambitions for mobile) are long gone.

 

[lexluthermiester]

It's just our brains getting used to the flatness.
Incidentally, MS did everything flat because they wanted cross-platform software that would work on mobile, that was very underpowered at the time. Today, the flatness is still with us, but the hardware limitations (or MS's ambitions for mobile) are long gone.

Yeah, that is one of the things I loath about 8/8.1/10. Win11 still has some flatness, but they are leaning back toward the properly fleshed out, natural looking 3D desktop and UI experience. Windows 7 is the high bar and they are clearly trying to make a return to that greatness.

 

[bug]

Yeah, that is one of the things I loath about 8/8.1/10. Win11 still has some flatness, but they are leaning back toward the properly fleshed out, natural looking 3D desktop and UI experience. Windows 7 is the high bar and they are clearly trying to make a return to that greatness.

Tbh, KDE4 was also about 3D while KDE5 went flat. It may be just my brain, but it just looks like "flatness done right". But the thing is so customizable, you can probably make it look like Win95 if you put a little effort into it

 

[AsRock]

They just keep dumbing it down and taking away control from the end user.
It started when they made "My PC" into "This PC" almost like they own it now, you no longer are in charge.

You can change it you know ?, but yeah i get what ya mean.

 

[Prima.Vera]

Is it me or Win11 uses more CPU than Win10 in desktop applications? Meaning that is sluggish than Win10....
My CPU is a 3770K, I know is old, but I want to question if somebody else noticed that/

 

[lexluthermiester]

Is it me or Win11 uses more CPU than Win10 in desktop applications? Meaning that is sluggish than Win10....
My CPU is a 3770K, I know is old, but I want to question if somebody else noticed that/

It's just you. I haven't noticed any difference. Of course, I bypassed the TPM/Secureboot crap...

 

[bug]

You can change it you know ?, but yeah i get what ya mean.

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Wow, a fellow Seamonkey user. Hats off.

 

[GrumpyOtaku]

Just to test it out, I built a MSWin 11 VM, then went through it to see what it would take to de-crappify it down to at least the level of a de-crappified MSWin 10. The major issue I hadn't worked around was it's enforced "Online" account. Managed to get a somewhat usable installation ("usable" is always a relative term when speaking of MSWindows), but seems I could have installed a functionally equivalent Fedora Linux system three times in the time it took to do the MSW11 configuration. And the MSW11 setup was really not where I'd want it to be anyway.

I know from how much my brother despised MSWin 10, a MSW11 system would severely piss him off. As a comparison I built a Fedora install on a test machine (absolutely a machine MSWin 11 would never support) and it was cleaner, and faster than MSWin on newer hardware, and had nearly all the functionality of his current MSWin10 systems. Granted, it helps that he's already using MSWin versions of open-source software wherever possible, so they're going to be the exact same programmes on Linux as on MSWindows. Certainly you can have themes that have some actual texture to them, and not the flatso-fugly look of MSW8-11, Material Design, etc.

 

[defaultluser]

6 months after, its still has zero momentum.

Windows 11 is officially a failure

Six months in, Microsoft’s latest operating system is struggling to gain momentum — here’s why that’s happening

medium.com

 

[wheresmycar]

not even 1%? lol

why was 11 even released? I had a hard time pushing to 10 from 7 with the principle "if it aint broken why fix it". Now im more than happy with 10 and I hope we won't be forced to upgrade at any point.

Down to the nitty gritty.... does 11 offer anything special for someone who uses their PC primarily for general use, work (office applications) and gaming?

 

[Bomby569]

and don't forget they force upgrade by default now unless you specifically say no and not even that can make the numbers look good

i remember when w10 come out everyone i knew wanted to upgrade, now no one cares about it

 

[defaultluser]

not even 1%? lol

why was 11 even released? I had a hard time pushing to 10 from 7 with the principle "if it aint broken why fix it". Now im more than happy with 10 and I hope we won't be forced to upgrade at any point.

Down to the nitty gritty.... does 11 offer anything special for someone who uses their PC primarily for general use, work (office applications) and gaming?

Nope - encryption doesn't protect you from ransomware - only in the event that your laptop is stolen does it even matter

Games are supposed to use TPM 2.0 to magically fix all cheating, but then again whats the point when all online games are trash monetizers.

they broke the start menu, with no option to undo it, and also broke most existing right-click interactions - have fun actually getting office work done

 

[Bomby569]

i think the only "must have" meaningful feature for any use case was the direct storage for gamers, but it still isn't a thing and they announced it to W10 too later. Meanwhile a lot of quality of life features where downgraded.

 

[wheresmycar]

Nope...

i thought so...

 

[Chrispy_]

i think the only "must have" meaningful feature for any use case was the direct storage for gamers, but it still isn't a thing and they announced it to W10 too later. Meanwhile a lot of quality of life features where downgraded.

Hah, I forgot this thread existed.

I've been daily-driving 11 on my laptop for the last 6+ months at this point - because one day I may be tasked with deploying it en-masse to hundreds of machines at work. I have been using it long enough now that I think I've unearthed every quirk and change in the interface and yet I still breathe a sigh of relief when I switch back to my W10 gaming/HTPC machines and stuff just takes fewer clicks and I regain functionality and shortcuts that have just been stripped from W11 for no good reason.

To date, I've yet to find a single thing that's actually better about it. If you don't have Alder Lake E-cores to worry about, I'm advising everyone who asks that it's full of several SaaS irritations that add nothing of value, force Microsoft crap down your throat more than W10 does, and it has no unique selling point that makes it worth bothering with unless you bought an Alder Lake i7/i9 and require the updated scheduler.

 

[bobbybluz]

Meh... I have two Alder Lake PC's running a modded version of 11 Pro and have no complaints other than the time it takes to manually configure it to my liking and needs. The same thing happens with Win 10 as well, especially the very first releases. I do like that it installed using activation keys from copies of 7 Pro I got in October of 2009. It was free so that has to be taken into consideration.

Using Open Shell and a few registry tweaks I have 11 to my liking at this point in time. I'm also using Win 11 Pro 22H2 and it's somewhat pre-modded already. I got the .iso from a friend that works in IT for an internationally known professional tool manufacturer that's headquartered nearby here. They stripped a lot out of it, it's only 2.6GB in size and all of those annoying screens at the end of the installation that gives MS permission to spy on you are gone. During setup the company logo is the only thing you see and when the desktop appears the company logo is on it against a white background.

The install is FAST, so far the fastest I've ever seen from a MS product. He said it's a work in progress to entice employees still running Win 7 on company laptops to upgrade and not use KMS while in development (their company desktops are on Win 10 Enterprise 21H2 at the moment). The company is doing this in-house because in the past MS hasn't been able to provide a satisfactory product for their needs. He has some amusing horror stories of MS badly fux0ring things up during previous attempts in the past. I'm also a friend of the company Executive Vice-President but I'm not going to mention this to him.

If MS could get it together to create an OS that looks like Win 7 with the performance of 11 and removed all of the useless bloatware they'd have a genuine winner for the enthusiast users. Of course all of us here know that'll never happen.

 

[Chrispy_]

Meh... I have two Alder Lake PC's running a modded version of 11 Pro and have no complaints other than the time it takes to manually configure it to my liking and needs. The same thing happens with Win 10 as well, especially the very first releases. I do like that it installed using activation keys from copies of 7 Pro I got in October of 2009. It was free so that has to be taken into consideration.

Using Open Shell and a few registry tweaks I have 11 to my liking at this point in time. I'm also using Win 11 Pro 22H2 and it's somewhat pre-modded already. I got the .iso from a friend that works in IT for an internationally known professional tool manufacturer that's headquartered nearby here. They stripped a lot out of it, it's only 2.6GB in size and all of those annoying screens at the end of the installation that gives MS permission to spy on you are gone. During setup the company logo is the only thing you see and when the desktop appears the company logo is on it against a white background.

The install is FAST, so far the fastest I've ever seen from a MS product. He said it's a work in progress to entice employees still running Win 7 on company laptops to upgrade and not use KMS while in development (their company desktops are on Win 10 Enterprise 21H2 at the moment). The company is doing this in-house because in the past MS hasn't been able to provide a satisfactory product for their needs. He has some amusing horror stories of MS badly fux0ring things up during previous attempts in the past. I'm also a friend of the company Executive Vice-President but I'm not going to mention this to him.

If MS could get it together to create an OS that looks like Win 7 with the performance of 11 and removed all of the useless bloatware they'd have a genuine winner for the enthusiast users. Of course all of us here know that'll never happen.

So you're saying that when you strip all of the Windows 11 out of Windows 11, it's okay to use?

I haven't really committed to the Enterprise version of W11 yet because I'm assuming W12 or some uberpatch for W11 that corrects the worst grievances of W11 will arrive. An antitrust ruling from the US or EU is likely to mandate that again soon because I couldn't believe the amount of obnoxious bullshit steps it took to do simple crap like disabling telemetry, choosing non-microsoft browsers/apps etc in the "consumer" install...

 

[zlobby]

So you're saying that when you strip all of the Windows 11 out of Windows 11, it's okay to use?

I haven't really committed to the Enterprise version of W11 yet because I'm assuming W12 or some uberpatch for W11 that corrects the worst grievances of W11 will arrive. An antitrust ruling from the US or EU is likely to mandate that again soon because I couldn't believe the amount of obnoxious bullshit steps it took to do simple crap like disabling telemetry, choosing non-microsoft browsers/apps etc in the "consumer" install...

I particulary like how W11 whines when you try to change the default browser from Edge, and how it tries to convince you to roll back after you do.

 

[chrcoluk]

not even 1%? lol

why was 11 even released? I had a hard time pushing to 10 from 7 with the principle "if it aint broken why fix it". Now im more than happy with 10 and I hope we won't be forced to upgrade at any point.

Down to the nitty gritty.... does 11 offer anything special for someone who uses their PC primarily for general use, work (office applications) and gaming?

Primarily two reasons, to push a new UI and to help the hardware vendors sell more hardware as they bumped the specs required. Arguably is the security argument, although security features are mostly in win 10 just not on by default, and the ones not in there could have been added.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
I haven't really found anything redeemable about 11 even performance is on par with 10
Once you find out how many items need changing you also find out how limited the UI allows it without third partyware

I never needed a third party to change 10's start menu but 11 sure does thankfully explorerpatcher does what should be builtin ways to get around the silly win-8 desktop replacement page and go right to all apps.

Show more context menu is just the most basic example that ms has shown how stupid ms heads are for leaving it

So yeah I got some cheap win-11 pro key for 5 machine activation for like 25.us off godeals but I rarely use 11 at all why bother seeing 22h2 ms is pushing hard for everyone to use ms accounts so I say go for it ms dig your own grave I dare you

The workarounds are pretty plentiful and easy so far but I doubt I'll bother using them anymore it's just another 10 bottom line.

 

[Totally]

For me, it was them f@#$ing with the start menu. If I want it on the side of the screen, I want it on the side of the screen. If I wanted a Mac, I'd get a Mac and have them dictate my preferences.

 

[Athlonite]

I don't have a problem with it it seems no worse than 10 but not any better either I have only one program that won't run and that's only because Asus has so far refused to update it and that is RealBench it dies just as it starts the video encoding portion of the benchmarking and never recovers I've tried updating the base programs that it uses like gimp, Handbrake and so forth but to no avail ohwell atleast 3DMark 2000 still runs perfectly fine

 

[lexluthermiester]

6 months after, its still has zero momentum.

Windows 11 is officially a failure

Six months in, Microsoft’s latest operating system is struggling to gain momentum — here’s why that’s happening

medium.com

Good article. Can't disagree with any one point.

@ microsoft(and yes we know you lurk)

The only way you are going to turn this around is if you STOP with the bullshit!

STOP trying to force people to newer hardware. Most are giving you the finger if they're not using a by-pass. This is NOT going to change. Forcing people to newer hardware is wasteful and unreasonable. People are not just saying no to spite you, they're doing it because they see ZERO valid reason to replace a PC that works perfectly and will continue to do so.

STOP trying to force an ms account on everyone. Most people don't want to use the store, for good reasons.

STOP spying on everyone! Really! What you're doing is borderline illegal, arguably unethical and fully unacceptable.

STOP forcing people to use programs you provide. Defender, Edge, WMP, etc., etc... Most people want to run what THEY want. They don't need you telling them how to use their PC's.

STOP acting like pathetic wannabe Nazi's goose-stepping your shit agenda all over the globe.

Windows 11 is a solid step forward in the UI and baseline functionality department. But it's comes with all your tacked on crap, which no one wants. The only people using 11 are people who don't care or people like me, expert power users who know how to disable/remove/delete what we don't want and can work around the rest.

In the HIGHLY customized form I'm running 11, I love it! But ONLY in this highly customized form. In it's stock/default configuration it is fully and completely unacceptable! You couldn't PAY me to run it like that.

You're either going to swallow your pride, back down and offer Windows in a way that will be acceptable and pleasing to the computing public or your going to continue on your merry way and go belly up. The writing is on the wall, and you put it there...

Put another way: Quit being bone-headed dumbasses, pull your heads from your rectums and do the RIGHT and CORRECT things.

 

[micropage7]

one that really annoying is the right click menu, M$ ruin it in Win11