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This pricing means they'll be behind even 13th gen, so don't count on them gaining a whole lot.
System Name | Workhorse |
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Processor | 13900K 5.9 Ghz single core (2x) 5.6 Ghz Allcore @ -0.15v offset / 4.5 Ghz e-core -0.15v offset |
Motherboard | MSI Z690A-Pro DDR4 |
Cooling | Arctic Liquid Cooler 360 3x Arctic 120 PWM Push + 3x Arctic 140 PWM Pull |
Memory | 2 x 32GB DDR4-3200-CL16 G.Skill RipJaws V @ 4133 Mhz CL 18-22-42-42-84 2T 1.45v |
Video Card(s) | RX 6600XT 8GB |
Storage | PNY CS3030 1TB nvme SSD, 2 x 3TB HDD, 1x 4TB HDD, 1 x 6TB HDD |
Display(s) | Samsung 34" 3440x1400 60 Hz |
Case | Coolermaster 690 |
Audio Device(s) | Topping Dx3 Pro / Denon D2000 soon to mod it/Fostex T50RP MK3 custom cable and headband / Bose NC700 |
Power Supply | Enermax Revolution D.F. 850W ATX 2.4 |
Mouse | Logitech G5 / Speedlink Kudos gaming mouse (12 years old) |
Keyboard | A4Tech G800 (old) / Apple Magic keyboard |
Here in Germany: (2 x 16GB kit)Price are coming down but still expensive when looking at enthusiast level kits and not the OEM junk.
DDR5 6000+ kits cost this much CAD currently. Prices are indeed dropping but not there yet.
$459.99 CAD = 357.50 USD
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System Name | Mean machine |
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Processor | 12900k |
Motherboard | MSI Unify X |
Cooling | Noctua U12A |
Memory | 7600c34 |
Video Card(s) | 4090 Gamerock oc |
Storage | 980 pro 2tb |
Display(s) | Samsung crg90 |
Case | Fractal Torent |
Audio Device(s) | Hifiman Arya / a30 - d30 pro stack |
Power Supply | Be quiet dark power pro 1200 |
Mouse | Viper ultimate |
Keyboard | Blackwidow 65% |
It doesnt matter what the price is, the 7600x will barely match the 12600k best case scenario. The gap in mt performance between the 5600x and the 12600k is already stupendously high.If the $200 rumor is true, than it won't even match 12600k, if it'll be better ... then it won't be $200, it's as simple as that (but I'm betting on the former this time).
Oh, for sure! I was slightly unclear above when I said "if it'll be better" by which I meant better than what the suggested $200 price would imply; it's quite obvious it will never best 12600k.It doesnt matter what the price is, the 7600x will barely match the 12600k best case scenario. The gap in mt performance between the 5600x and the 12600k is already stupendously high.
System Name | Workhorse |
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Processor | 13900K 5.9 Ghz single core (2x) 5.6 Ghz Allcore @ -0.15v offset / 4.5 Ghz e-core -0.15v offset |
Motherboard | MSI Z690A-Pro DDR4 |
Cooling | Arctic Liquid Cooler 360 3x Arctic 120 PWM Push + 3x Arctic 140 PWM Pull |
Memory | 2 x 32GB DDR4-3200-CL16 G.Skill RipJaws V @ 4133 Mhz CL 18-22-42-42-84 2T 1.45v |
Video Card(s) | RX 6600XT 8GB |
Storage | PNY CS3030 1TB nvme SSD, 2 x 3TB HDD, 1x 4TB HDD, 1 x 6TB HDD |
Display(s) | Samsung 34" 3440x1400 60 Hz |
Case | Coolermaster 690 |
Audio Device(s) | Topping Dx3 Pro / Denon D2000 soon to mod it/Fostex T50RP MK3 custom cable and headband / Bose NC700 |
Power Supply | Enermax Revolution D.F. 850W ATX 2.4 |
Mouse | Logitech G5 / Speedlink Kudos gaming mouse (12 years old) |
Keyboard | A4Tech G800 (old) / Apple Magic keyboard |
Why is that an issue. 7600x suggested price is 200$, cheapest I can find 12600k on newegg is 280$, and here in Germany 310E ~ 315$.Oh, for sure! I was slightly unclear above when I said "if it'll be better" by which I meant better than what the suggested $200 price would imply; it's quite obvious it will never best 12600k.
System Name | Hotbox |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X, 110/95/110, PBO +150Mhz, CO -7,-7,-20(x6), |
Motherboard | ASRock Phantom Gaming B550 ITX/ax |
Cooling | LOBO + Laing DDC 1T Plus PWM + Corsair XR5 280mm + 2x Arctic P14 |
Memory | 32GB G.Skill FlareX 3200c14 @3800c15 |
Video Card(s) | PowerColor Radeon 6900XT Liquid Devil Ultimate, UC@2250MHz max @~200W |
Storage | 2TB Adata SX8200 Pro |
Display(s) | Dell U2711 main, AOC 24P2C secondary |
Case | SSUPD Meshlicious |
Audio Device(s) | Optoma Nuforce μDAC 3 |
Power Supply | Corsair SF750 Platinum |
Mouse | Logitech G603 |
Keyboard | Keychron K3/Cooler Master MasterKeys Pro M w/DSA profile caps |
Software | Windows 10 Pro |
That's at least somewhat true, but then we've seen ES silicon running at 5.5GHz in-game in AMD's own demos (with clearly visible dynamic clocks, so no major trickery), so we know that they'll clock high in real world use cases as well.5.7 GHz sounds like a large frequency increase. But we know Ryzen processors don't actually do any work at their boost frequency, they jump to that peak momentarily with very light loads, and they perform even the purely synthetic sincle core load at lower frequency.
In my opinion that complicates simple arithmetic on how much frequency increase are we seing here.
System Name | Mean machine |
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Processor | 12900k |
Motherboard | MSI Unify X |
Cooling | Noctua U12A |
Memory | 7600c34 |
Video Card(s) | 4090 Gamerock oc |
Storage | 980 pro 2tb |
Display(s) | Samsung crg90 |
Case | Fractal Torent |
Audio Device(s) | Hifiman Arya / a30 - d30 pro stack |
Power Supply | Be quiet dark power pro 1200 |
Mouse | Viper ultimate |
Keyboard | Blackwidow 65% |
Multiple reasons. First of all, the 13400 will most likely be 6+4, which means it will at least tie the 12600k for startersWhy is that an issue. 7600x suggested price is 200$, cheapest I can find 12600k on newegg is 280$, and here in Germany 310E ~ 315$.
It's kinda hard to assume that the new generation 200$ CPU would beat a generation old processor costing 50% more.
System Name | Workhorse |
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Processor | 13900K 5.9 Ghz single core (2x) 5.6 Ghz Allcore @ -0.15v offset / 4.5 Ghz e-core -0.15v offset |
Motherboard | MSI Z690A-Pro DDR4 |
Cooling | Arctic Liquid Cooler 360 3x Arctic 120 PWM Push + 3x Arctic 140 PWM Pull |
Memory | 2 x 32GB DDR4-3200-CL16 G.Skill RipJaws V @ 4133 Mhz CL 18-22-42-42-84 2T 1.45v |
Video Card(s) | RX 6600XT 8GB |
Storage | PNY CS3030 1TB nvme SSD, 2 x 3TB HDD, 1x 4TB HDD, 1 x 6TB HDD |
Display(s) | Samsung 34" 3440x1400 60 Hz |
Case | Coolermaster 690 |
Audio Device(s) | Topping Dx3 Pro / Denon D2000 soon to mod it/Fostex T50RP MK3 custom cable and headband / Bose NC700 |
Power Supply | Enermax Revolution D.F. 850W ATX 2.4 |
Mouse | Logitech G5 / Speedlink Kudos gaming mouse (12 years old) |
Keyboard | A4Tech G800 (old) / Apple Magic keyboard |
It probably wouldn't as detailed in the news. It would probably have a 200$ suggested price, as for retails price, that's anyone's guess.7600X better not be 300$ with only 6 cores when Intel is already at 14 for i5
System Name | Hotbox |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X, 110/95/110, PBO +150Mhz, CO -7,-7,-20(x6), |
Motherboard | ASRock Phantom Gaming B550 ITX/ax |
Cooling | LOBO + Laing DDC 1T Plus PWM + Corsair XR5 280mm + 2x Arctic P14 |
Memory | 32GB G.Skill FlareX 3200c14 @3800c15 |
Video Card(s) | PowerColor Radeon 6900XT Liquid Devil Ultimate, UC@2250MHz max @~200W |
Storage | 2TB Adata SX8200 Pro |
Display(s) | Dell U2711 main, AOC 24P2C secondary |
Case | SSUPD Meshlicious |
Audio Device(s) | Optoma Nuforce μDAC 3 |
Power Supply | Corsair SF750 Platinum |
Mouse | Logitech G603 |
Keyboard | Keychron K3/Cooler Master MasterKeys Pro M w/DSA profile caps |
Software | Windows 10 Pro |
Because core counts still tell us a lot about performance across various tasks, as long as one is cognizant of which type of core and how many, etc. - and on the other hand, in many tasks core counts don't matter as long as they're >4/>6 etc. I haven't seen anyone doing 16c v 16c comparisons or whatever, but then I may not have been paying attention. There are lots of possible points of comparison, but until we have confirmed SKUs, pricing, clock speeds, etc., rumored clocks and core counts are pretty much what we've got.Core counts are not comparable anymore, why is every one still doing it?
System Name | My Ryzen 7 7700X Super Computer |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 7700X |
Motherboard | Gigabyte B650 Aorus Elite AX |
Cooling | DeepCool AK620 with Arctic Silver 5 |
Memory | 2x16GB G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO DDR5 EXPO (CL30) |
Video Card(s) | XFX AMD Radeon RX 7900 GRE |
Storage | Samsung 980 EVO 1 TB NVMe SSD (System Drive), Samsung 970 EVO 500 GB NVMe SSD (Game Drive) |
Display(s) | Acer Nitro XV272U (DisplayPort) and Acer Nitro XV270U (DisplayPort) |
Case | Lian Li LANCOOL II MESH C |
Audio Device(s) | On-Board Sound / Sony WH-XB910N Bluetooth Headphones |
Power Supply | MSI A850GF |
Mouse | Logitech M705 |
Keyboard | Steelseries |
Software | Windows 11 Pro 64-bit |
Benchmark Scores | https://valid.x86.fr/liwjs3 |
That's because, at least where I live, taxes in my county are different from the taxes in a county south of me. You can't calculate sales tax until you enter in your ZIP code.MSRP in US$ never includes sales tax / VAT.
System Name | "Icy Resurrection" |
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Processor | 13th Gen Intel Core i9-13900KS Special Edition |
Motherboard | ASUS ROG MAXIMUS Z790 APEX ENCORE |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15S upgraded with 2x NF-F12 iPPC-3000 fans and Honeywell PTM7950 TIM |
Memory | 32 GB G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB F5-6800J3445G16GX2-TZ5RK @ 7600 MT/s 36-44-44-52-96 1.4V |
Video Card(s) | ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX™ 4080 16GB GDDR6X White OC Edition |
Storage | 500 GB WD Black SN750 SE NVMe SSD + 4 TB WD Red Plus WD40EFPX HDD |
Display(s) | 55-inch LG G3 OLED |
Case | Pichau Mancer CV500 White Edition |
Power Supply | EVGA 1300 G2 1.3kW 80+ Gold |
Mouse | Microsoft Classic Intellimouse |
Keyboard | Galax Stealth STL-03 |
Software | Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC 24H2 |
Benchmark Scores | I pulled a Qiqi~ |
Regarding prices too good to be true in some models!
If AMD wanted to be more competitive and drop prices, the below would seem more logical imo:
7950X $699
7900X $499
7800X $399
7700X $349
7600X $249
7600 (65/88W) $199
System Name | Personal \\ Work - HP EliteBook 840 G6 |
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Processor | 7700X \\ i7-8565U |
Motherboard | Asrock X670E PG Lightning |
Cooling | Noctua DH-15 |
Memory | G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB Black 32GB 6000MHz CL36 \\ 16GB DDR4-2400 |
Video Card(s) | ASUS RoG Strix 1070 Ti \\ Intel UHD Graphics 620 |
Storage | 2x KC3000 2TB, Samsung 970 EVO 512GB \\ OEM 256GB NVMe SSD |
Display(s) | BenQ XL2411Z \\ FullHD + 2x HP Z24i external screens via docking station |
Case | Fractal Design Define Arc Midi R2 with window |
Audio Device(s) | Realtek ALC1150 with Logitech Z533 |
Power Supply | Corsair AX860i |
Mouse | Logitech G502 |
Keyboard | Corsair K55 RGB PRO |
Software | Windows 11 \\ Windows 10 |
System Name | Not a thread ripper but pretty good. |
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Processor | Ryzen 9 5950x |
Motherboard | ASRock X570 Taichi (revision 1.06, BIOS/UEFI version P5.50) |
Cooling | EK-Quantum Velocity, EK-Quantum Reflection PC-O11, EK-CoolStream PE 360, XSPC TX360 |
Memory | Micron DDR4-3200 ECC Unbuffered Memory (4 sticks, 128GB, 18ASF4G72AZ-3G2F1) |
Video Card(s) | XFX Radeon RX 5700 & EK-Quantum Vector Radeon RX 5700 +XT & Backplate |
Storage | Samsung 2TB & 4TB 980 PRO, 2TB 970 EVO Plus, 2 x Optane 905p 1.5TB (striped), AMD Radeon RAMDisk |
Display(s) | 2 x 4K LG 27UL600-W (and HUANUO Dual Monitor Mount) |
Case | Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic Black (original model) |
Power Supply | Corsair RM750x |
Mouse | Logitech M575 |
Keyboard | Corsair Strafe RGB MK.2 |
Software | Windows 10 Professional (64bit) |
Benchmark Scores | Typical for non-overclocked CPU. |
That's because of Intel's P-core / E-core thing right?Core counts are not comparable anymore, why is every one still doing it?
System Name | My Ryzen 7 7700X Super Computer |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 7700X |
Motherboard | Gigabyte B650 Aorus Elite AX |
Cooling | DeepCool AK620 with Arctic Silver 5 |
Memory | 2x16GB G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO DDR5 EXPO (CL30) |
Video Card(s) | XFX AMD Radeon RX 7900 GRE |
Storage | Samsung 980 EVO 1 TB NVMe SSD (System Drive), Samsung 970 EVO 500 GB NVMe SSD (Game Drive) |
Display(s) | Acer Nitro XV272U (DisplayPort) and Acer Nitro XV270U (DisplayPort) |
Case | Lian Li LANCOOL II MESH C |
Audio Device(s) | On-Board Sound / Sony WH-XB910N Bluetooth Headphones |
Power Supply | MSI A850GF |
Mouse | Logitech M705 |
Keyboard | Steelseries |
Software | Windows 11 Pro 64-bit |
Benchmark Scores | https://valid.x86.fr/liwjs3 |
System Name | Not a thread ripper but pretty good. |
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Processor | Ryzen 9 5950x |
Motherboard | ASRock X570 Taichi (revision 1.06, BIOS/UEFI version P5.50) |
Cooling | EK-Quantum Velocity, EK-Quantum Reflection PC-O11, EK-CoolStream PE 360, XSPC TX360 |
Memory | Micron DDR4-3200 ECC Unbuffered Memory (4 sticks, 128GB, 18ASF4G72AZ-3G2F1) |
Video Card(s) | XFX Radeon RX 5700 & EK-Quantum Vector Radeon RX 5700 +XT & Backplate |
Storage | Samsung 2TB & 4TB 980 PRO, 2TB 970 EVO Plus, 2 x Optane 905p 1.5TB (striped), AMD Radeon RAMDisk |
Display(s) | 2 x 4K LG 27UL600-W (and HUANUO Dual Monitor Mount) |
Case | Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic Black (original model) |
Power Supply | Corsair RM750x |
Mouse | Logitech M575 |
Keyboard | Corsair Strafe RGB MK.2 |
Software | Windows 10 Professional (64bit) |
Benchmark Scores | Typical for non-overclocked CPU. |
It would be nice if there was a more clean way in the OS to manually adjust and reserve what kind of things runs on what cores. (regardless of Intel or AMD) For example reserve certain tasks for slower or faster cores.And the only reason why Intel is doing the x86 equivalent of Arms' big.LITTLE architecture is because Intel performance cores are freakin' heat pump on a chip. Reminds me of the old Pentium 4 Prescott days.
System Name | My Ryzen 7 7700X Super Computer |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 7700X |
Motherboard | Gigabyte B650 Aorus Elite AX |
Cooling | DeepCool AK620 with Arctic Silver 5 |
Memory | 2x16GB G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO DDR5 EXPO (CL30) |
Video Card(s) | XFX AMD Radeon RX 7900 GRE |
Storage | Samsung 980 EVO 1 TB NVMe SSD (System Drive), Samsung 970 EVO 500 GB NVMe SSD (Game Drive) |
Display(s) | Acer Nitro XV272U (DisplayPort) and Acer Nitro XV270U (DisplayPort) |
Case | Lian Li LANCOOL II MESH C |
Audio Device(s) | On-Board Sound / Sony WH-XB910N Bluetooth Headphones |
Power Supply | MSI A850GF |
Mouse | Logitech M705 |
Keyboard | Steelseries |
Software | Windows 11 Pro 64-bit |
Benchmark Scores | https://valid.x86.fr/liwjs3 |
I doubt it. You just have to "trust" Windows to get it right.It would be nice if there was a more clean way in the OS to manually adjust and reserve what kind of things runs on what cores. (regardless of Intel or AMD) For example reserve certain tasks for slower or faster cores.
System Name | Mean machine |
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Processor | 12900k |
Motherboard | MSI Unify X |
Cooling | Noctua U12A |
Memory | 7600c34 |
Video Card(s) | 4090 Gamerock oc |
Storage | 980 pro 2tb |
Display(s) | Samsung crg90 |
Case | Fractal Torent |
Audio Device(s) | Hifiman Arya / a30 - d30 pro stack |
Power Supply | Be quiet dark power pro 1200 |
Mouse | Viper ultimate |
Keyboard | Blackwidow 65% |
And thats more wrong than you can possibly imagine. P cores are way more efficient than zen 3 cores and way more efficient than E cores as well. Problem is they take a lot of die space, which means putting 16 of those in one chip will be insanely expensive. Heat and power arent an issue, that was juts a clueless statementAnd the only reason why Intel is doing the x86 equivalent of Arms' big.LITTLE architecture is because Intel performance cores are freakin' heat pump on a chip. Reminds me of the old Pentium 4 Prescott days.
System Name | Hotbox |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X, 110/95/110, PBO +150Mhz, CO -7,-7,-20(x6), |
Motherboard | ASRock Phantom Gaming B550 ITX/ax |
Cooling | LOBO + Laing DDC 1T Plus PWM + Corsair XR5 280mm + 2x Arctic P14 |
Memory | 32GB G.Skill FlareX 3200c14 @3800c15 |
Video Card(s) | PowerColor Radeon 6900XT Liquid Devil Ultimate, UC@2250MHz max @~200W |
Storage | 2TB Adata SX8200 Pro |
Display(s) | Dell U2711 main, AOC 24P2C secondary |
Case | SSUPD Meshlicious |
Audio Device(s) | Optoma Nuforce μDAC 3 |
Power Supply | Corsair SF750 Platinum |
Mouse | Logitech G603 |
Keyboard | Keychron K3/Cooler Master MasterKeys Pro M w/DSA profile caps |
Software | Windows 10 Pro |
... Except Zen3 cores peak around 20W, while ADL P cores can draw 2-3x that much. More efficient at lower clocks? Depends on the workload. More efficient at stock? Not even close in any CPU heavy task. They do run very well in games though, with most of those being variable, low threaded workloads that let the CPU boost high to race to finish each frame's compute cycle, which suits ADL's high clocks and good IPC nicely. But, crucially, you can't reliably measure a CPUs efficiency in something that isn't a cpu-intensive task. And for anything CPU-intensive, both Zen3 and E cores are vastly more efficient at anything resembling stock power levels.And thats more wrong than you can possibly imagine. P cores are way more efficient than zen 3 cores and way more efficient than E cores as well. Problem is they take a lot of die space, which means putting 16 of those in one chip will be insanely expensive. Heat and power arent an issue, that was juts a clueless statement
System Name | Mean machine |
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Processor | 12900k |
Motherboard | MSI Unify X |
Cooling | Noctua U12A |
Memory | 7600c34 |
Video Card(s) | 4090 Gamerock oc |
Storage | 980 pro 2tb |
Display(s) | Samsung crg90 |
Case | Fractal Torent |
Audio Device(s) | Hifiman Arya / a30 - d30 pro stack |
Power Supply | Be quiet dark power pro 1200 |
Mouse | Viper ultimate |
Keyboard | Blackwidow 65% |
More efficient at everything. What he is saying is that intel cant fit 16p cores cause of power draw which is absurd, cause we already know a p core outperforms a zen 3 core at same wattage. Therefore a 16p core intel would outperform the 5950x for example at same or lower wattage... Except Zen3 cores peak around 20W, while ADL P cores can draw 2-3x that much. More efficient at lower clocks? Depends on the workload. More efficient at stock? Not even close in any CPU heavy task. They do run very well in games though, with most of those being variable, low threaded workloads that let the CPU boost high to race to finish each frame's compute cycle, which suits ADL's high clocks and good IPC nicely. But, crucially, you can't reliably measure a CPUs efficiency in something that isn't a cpu-intensive task. And for anything CPU-intensive, both Zen3 and E cores are vastly more efficient at anything resembling stock power levels.
System Name | AMDream v2.6.2 |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D+TechN AM4, CO-30 all cores |
Motherboard | Asus Prime B550-Plus w. PCIe USB 3.0/3.1 case connectors card |
Cooling | 2x240 slim rads, 1x420mm slim rad, 4xEK Vardar Evo RGB, stock case fans |
Memory | 2x8GB RGB+2x8GB non-RGB Crucial Ballistix DDR4-3600 CL16 |
Video Card(s) | AMD Radeon RX 7900XT Reference+Alphacool waterblock+Kryosheet |
Storage | 2TB SK Hynix Platinum P41+Eluteng NVMe heatsink |
Display(s) | Xiaomi Mi 2k Gaming Monitor 27” (1440p165 IPS)+VESA arm |
Case | Lian Li Lancool III White ARGB |
Audio Device(s) | Creative Inspire P380 |
Power Supply | Seasonic Focus GX-850 |
Mouse | Steelseries Rival original (white), Steelseries Qck+ mousepad |
Keyboard | Keychron K5 (white backlight, blue Gateron Low Profile switches) |
Software | Windows 11 Pro |
I went from a 2700X (3200 ram) to a 5600X (3600 ram). And despite being GPU-limited with my Vega 64, I notice an unexpected amount of smoothness with the 5600X. I never played modern games that good before!!! It felt like I had some 20-30fps low spikes with the 2700X, vs none with the new CPU.I will likely be upgrading from the R7 2700 to the R7 7700x, should be quite the increase in FPS!
Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D |
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Motherboard | ASUS B550M-Plus WiFi II |
Cooling | Noctua U12A chromax.black |
Memory | Corsair Vengeance 32GB 3600Mhz |
Video Card(s) | Palit RTX 4080 GameRock OC |
Storage | Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1TB + 980 Pro 2TB |
Display(s) | Asus XG35VQ |
Case | Asus Prime AP201 |
Audio Device(s) | Creative Gigaworks - Razer Blackshark V2 Pro |
Power Supply | Corsair SF750 |
Mouse | Razer Viper |
Software | Windows 11 64bit |