MSI Publishes its X670 Motherboard Product Pages

[TheLostSwede]

Interesting io panel. 3 usb type c and one with a DP.

The 10G Lan probably adds a bit to the price??

The new Marvell/Aquantia 10 Gbps chips should be cheaper, but I'm not sure about the exact price. The older ones were going for about $20-30 a pop.

 

[tussinman]

What's your sources on this?
I'm talking to the motherboard manufacturers.

I don't know where the websites are getting there exact source from. There's a handful of sites in the last 2 weeks that have all repeated the same quote "AMD's first wave of 600-series motherboards would focus on the higher-end X670E & X670 designs followed by B650E & B650 products a few weeks later (around October/November) "

Hopefully that's the case, I don't know how you logically wait till the first quarter of next year to make AM5 even somewhat accessible at the consumer level especially given your competition

 

[Assimilator]

WTF is this Pro X670-P WiFi garbage? PCIe x16, then x4 (but a full-length metal slot), and then a x2 slot that is also full-length? What's even the point?

 

[Alan Smithee]

I don't get this article. MSI published these specs like a week ago. And they are hardly "late", neither ASRock nor ASUS have published specs yet, only Gigabyte.

 

[Wirko]

It looks like USB power delivery is going to be a rare animal, only the ACE board supports it (60 W on one of the front ports).

 

[trsttte]

WTF is this Pro X670-P WiFi garbage? PCIe x16, then x4 (but a full-length metal slot), and then a x2 slot that is also full-length? What's even the point?

It's still a 4.0 slot so even a moderm graphics card wouldn't really see that much difference. Better than the usual slot from the chipset that can only be used if an m.2 is not populated. The x2 is pretty silly though, x670 has x4 lanes for a slot, don't know what they did to the 2 missing lanes.

It looks like USB power delivery is going to be a rare animal, only the ACE board supports it (60 W on one of the front ports).

I don't get the need for high power PD ports on motherboards, are you charging a laptop from your desktop? Few phones support that kind of power and even then, it's not something that should be used often on phones if you want the battery to last for any reasonable length of time.

 

[Tomorrow]

Where's the Unify? After building with the z690 Unify for someone else, I want one for my own rig now!

Likely B650E. For some reason it is supposed to be better for extreme OC. Gigabyte already hinted that their Tachyon will use B650E. I wonder if this could be due to BCLK . Tho it is odd because X670E is just two B650E's daisy chained. B550 and X570 were very different and B550 was newer and better for extreme OC. Especially BCLK.

 

[Minus Infinity]

I believe Asrock and Asus (maybe Gigabyte too) have USB 4 by reading their specs lists, so why can they offer it on X670E and not MSI. They are always behind on USB IMO.

 

[TheLostSwede]

I don't know where the websites are getting there exact source from. There's a handful of sites in the last 2 weeks that have all repeated the same quote "AMD's first wave of 600-series motherboards would focus on the higher-end X670E & X670 designs followed by B650E & B650 products a few weeks later (around October/November) "

Hopefully that's the case, I don't know how you logically wait till the first quarter of next year to make AM5 even somewhat accessible at the consumer level especially given your competition

I have to apologise, I mixed up the Intel H770/B760 launch, which is at CES, with the B650 launch, which now seems to be October 10th.

WTF is this Pro X670-P WiFi garbage? PCIe x16, then x4 (but a full-length metal slot), and then a x2 slot that is also full-length? What's even the point?

Expect a lot of boards with x2 slots, some even PCIe 3.0, using full x16 physical slots.

I don't get this article. MSI published these specs like a week ago. And they are hardly "late", neither ASRock nor ASUS have published specs yet, only Gigabyte.

You mean like this

ASRock Shares Some More Details About its X670E Taichi Motherboard

It would appear that we're slowly getting closer to the launch of AMD's AM5 platform, as ASRock just put up its first X670E motherboard on its website. The page still has very limited information and there's only a single picture of the motherboard, which is the same one that the company shared...

www.techpowerup.com

and this

ASRock X670E Pro RS Motherboard Product Page Goes Live

Slowly but surely, we're getting more and more details about upcoming AM5 motherboards and ASRock has put up a very spec light page for its upcoming X670E Pro RS motherboard. Not much has changed since the Computex reveal, but the product page did contain a couple of extra board shots as well as...

www.techpowerup.com

Asus has had one board up for quite some time.

Sorry if I was a couple of days late on noticing, but no-one else seems to have picked up when MSI put it up either.

It looks like USB power delivery is going to be a rare animal, only the ACE board supports it (60 W on one of the front ports).

It seems to be all through the front port, I think I've only seen one board that does it via a rear port.

It's still a 4.0 slot so even a moderm graphics card wouldn't really see that much difference. Better than the usual slot from the chipset that can only be used if an m.2 is not populated. The x2 is pretty silly though, x670 has x4 lanes for a slot, don't know what they did to the 2 missing lanes.

WiFi and Ethernet or something along those lines.

I don't get the need for high power PD ports on motherboards, are you charging a laptop from your desktop? Few phones support that kind of power and even then, it's not something that should be used often on phones if you want the battery to last for any reasonable length of time.

You're not getting more than 1.5-2A without it though and even 20-30 W would be nice, which no-one seems to implement.

I believe Asrock and Asus (maybe Gigabyte too) have USB 4 by reading their specs lists, so why can they offer it on X670E and not MSI. They are always behind on USB IMO.

On a few SKUs, yes. And it's USB4, not USB 4.

 

[tussinman]

I have to apologise, I mixed up the Intel H770/B760 launch, which is at CES, with the B650 launch, which now seems to be October 10th.

It's all good. I figured that was the case. I even wrote on the first page "The only B series release i've heard tied to CES is the B760 series from intel" (I just assumed the 2 got mixed up)

 

[Mussels]

finned VRM heatsinks arrive to several models of X670E motherboards.
regarding DDR5 - MSI likes boasting high DDR5 support. That's not entirely surprising seeing how recent MSI memory support has been generally very good

Other flaws aside, even on my garbage MSI B450 board it's RAM support was fantastic
Ironic when the rest of it was poop

The simple 'memory try it' presets were something other brands need to imitate

 

[Assimilator]

Expect a lot of boards with x2 slots, some even PCIe 3.0, using full x16 physical slots.

WHYYYYYY?

What the actual FUCK is the point of having the highest-end chipset and not having its PCIe lanes exposed via the PCIe slots? I don't understand what universe that MSI lives in whereby users are going to have 4 NVMe SSDs but no secondary PCIe card.

If the manufacturers want to put 20 billion NVMe slots on their boards, that's fine. Just also add circuitry so that the PCIe slots by default have all lanes allocated to them, and every time you plug in an NVMe SSD it steals 4 of the slot lanes. So you'd start off with an x16 slot, then it would go down to x12, then x8, then x4, and finally x0 with 4 NVMe slots populated.

If that's too complex (and apparently it is), just go with the solution that everyone knows works - a separate PCB that can house up to 4 NVMe SSDs and plugs into a PCIe x16 slot.

 

[trsttte]

WiFi and Ethernet or something along those lines.

Acording to previously shared block diagram (not official of course) there were enought lanes for an x4 slot with wifi and ethernet already accounted for

If the manufacturers want to put 20 billion NVMe slots on their boards, that's fine. Just also add circuitry so that the PCIe slots by default have all lanes allocated to them, and every time you plug in an NVMe SSD it steals 4 of the slot lanes. So you'd start off with an x16 slot, then it would go down to x12, then x8, then x4, and finally x0 with 4 NVMe slots populated.

Having that level of modularity as great as it would be is a bit unrealistic on consumer boards. It would be great if simple bifurcation from the first x16 slot was more commonplace (now that we're going to pcie5.0 there's so much bandwith there's no reason not to) and/or if they could make the bios flexible enought to not crash to death if one decided to get some server class bifurcation adapters to further split that slot (into x8 x4 x4 for example) but I think that's pretty much the best we could hope for (and be disappointed because they will not bother to deliver it )

 

[Assimilator]

Having that level of modularity as great as it would be is a bit unrealistic on consumer boards. It would be great if simple bifurcation from the first x16 slot was more commonplace (now that we're going to pcie5.0 there's so much bandwith there's no reason not to) and/or if they could make the bios flexible enought to not crash to death if one decided to get some server class bifurcation adapters to further split that slot (into x8 x4 x4 for example) but I think that's pretty much the best we could hope for (and be disappointed because they will not bother to deliver it )

I don't give a shit about bandwidth, but about lane count; I'll take a 48-lane PCIe 4.0 platform over a 24-lane PCIe 5.0 one any day. Give me my goddamn PCIe slots with useful lane counts back, manufacturers!

Honestly these artificial limitations are really putting me off Zen 4. I shouldn't have to buy the highest-end chipset to get more than one PCIe slot running at x16, for fuck's sake.

 

[TheLostSwede]

WHYYYYYY?

What the actual FUCK is the point of having the highest-end chipset and not having its PCIe lanes exposed via the PCIe slots? I don't understand what universe that MSI lives in whereby users are going to have 4 NVMe SSDs but no secondary PCIe card.

If the manufacturers want to put 20 billion NVMe slots on their boards, that's fine. Just also add circuitry so that the PCIe slots by default have all lanes allocated to them, and every time you plug in an NVMe SSD it steals 4 of the slot lanes. So you'd start off with an x16 slot, then it would go down to x12, then x8, then x4, and finally x0 with 4 NVMe slots populated.

If that's too complex (and apparently it is), just go with the solution that everyone knows works - a separate PCB that can house up to 4 NVMe SSDs and plugs into a PCIe x16 slot.

Unfortunately, that's not how PCIe was designed.

 

[Mussels]

I don't give a shit about bandwidth, but about lane count; I'll take a 48-lane PCIe 4.0 platform over a 24-lane PCIe 5.0 one any day. Give me my goddamn PCIe slots with useful lane counts back, manufacturers!

Honestly these artificial limitations are really putting me off Zen 4. I shouldn't have to buy the highest-end chipset to get more than one PCIe slot running at x16, for fuck's sake.

I'm hoping future chipsets give that option, by converting 5.0 to 4.0 and doubling the lane count