AMD Pushes Ryzen 7000 "Zen 4" Availability Date to Clash with Intel "Raptor Lake" Announcement Date

[btarunr]

AMD has reportedly pushed market-availability date of its next-generation Ryzen 7000 series "Zen 4" desktop processors from September 15 to September 27, 2022. This would clash with the rumored product-announcement date of the Intel 13th Generation Core "Raptor Lake" processor series. If true, this is possibly a move designed to prevent Intel from sharing performance numbers of Ryzen 7000-series processors in the product-announcement presentation of "Raptor Lake," as Intel can only compare the chips it is announcing with competing AMD products that are available in the market at the time.

A September 27 market availability could still mean a late-August product announcement along the sidelines of Gamescom, with product reviews in the following weeks. It's just that the market availability date is now pushed to late-September. Intel's launch cycle for "Raptor Lake" could see a late-September announcement, but it remains to be seen if product availability is immediate, or timed weeks later. The 13th Gen Core "Raptor Lake" processor is built on the same LGA1700 package as current "Alder Lake," and compatible with existing Intel 600-series motherboards with a UEFI firmware update; although will be launched alongside new Intel 700-series chipset motherboards. AMD's Ryzen 7000-series product launch will be timed with those of compatible Socket AM5 motherboards based on the AMD 600-series chipset, and a new line of DDR5 memory modules featuring the AMD EXPO technology.



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[Dimitriman]

Feels like a very blatant move to prevent comparison with Raptor lake on Intel launch. Maybe intel has a clear winner after all in raw performance and AMD has now accepted that. It's not a big deal though and x3D versions of zen4 should bring the balance back.

 

[Crackong]

I won't call this a 'push' since these are all RUMOR announcement and availability dates
You can't just put 2 rumored dates in your head and say AMD pushed it.

 

[Bones]

I won't call this a 'push' since these are all RUMOR announcement and availability dates
You can't just put 2 rumored dates in your head and say AMD pushed it.

This.

This is why all the rumors I'm hearing I'm not gonna take too seriously, it's when the real, concrete substance comes along you can make a determination about it and that's only going to be after release.

 

[mama]

Rumours...

 

[thesmokingman]

They be going for the jugular.

 

[Mussels]

In the Blue corner....


John Cena music or something? I don't follow wrestling, just insert your own jokes here

 

[Tomorrow]

Would it not look worse for AMD's image if Intel compares RL to Z3 and shows big wins (50% or more) and wins in everything?
Compared to comparing RL to Z4 and even if Intel wins it will not be in everything and will likely be single digit percentages in most cases.
I mean think about what would look worse for AMD:

Headline 1: Intel Raptor Lake is 50% faster than AMD Zen3.
Headline 2: Intel Raptor Lake is 10% faster than AMD Zen4.

At the same time AMD can say that yes Intel is slightly faster than us because they have pushed power consumption to 11 and have slight core count advantage.
I mean the second option makes AMD look much better in my opinion if their latest and greatest is only slightly slower but much more efficient and they have X3D model(s) coming that further improve gaming performance.

 

[Mussels]

Feels like a very blatant move to prevent comparison with Raptor lake on Intel launch. Maybe intel has a clear winner after all in raw performance and AMD has now accepted that. It's not a big deal though and x3D versions of zen4 should bring the balance back.

Where have you heard that rumour?

Would it not look worse for AMD's image if Intel compares RL to Z3 and shows big wins (50% or more) and wins in everything?
Compared to comparing RL to Z4 and even if Intel wins it will not be in everything and will likely be single digit percentages in most cases.
I mean thin about what would look worse for AMD:

Headline 1: Intel Raptor Lake is 50% faster than AMD Zen3.
Headline 2: Intel Raptor Lake is 10% faster than AMD Zen4.

At the same time AMD can say that yes Intel is slightly faster than us because they have pushed power consumption to 11 and have slight core count advantage.
I mean the second option makes AMD look much better in my opinion if their latest and greatest is only slightly slower but much more efficient and they have X3D model(s) coming that further improve gaming performance.

That makes sense - if both companies have big improvements this generation, they dont want to compare to each others last gen

In fact I think that's the most logical thing so far of all these changes

 

[usiname]

Feels like a very blatant move to prevent comparison with Raptor lake on Intel launch. Maybe intel has a clear winner after all in raw performance and AMD has now accepted that. It's not a big deal though and x3D versions of zen4 should bring the balance back.

Or they don't want intel to make Zen4 to performe worse than Zen3 in their fabricated slides

 

[Deleted member 185088]

Would it not look worse for AMD's image if Intel compares RL to Z3 and shows big wins (50% or more) and wins in everything?
Compared to comparing RL to Z4 and even if Intel wins it will not be in everything and will likely be single digit percentages in most cases.
I mean think about what would look worse for AMD:

Headline 1: Intel Raptor Lake is 50% faster than AMD Zen3.
Headline 2: Intel Raptor Lake is 10% faster than AMD Zen4.

At the same time AMD can say that yes Intel is slightly faster than us because they have pushed power consumption to 11 and have slight core count advantage.
I mean the second option makes AMD look much better in my opinion if their latest and greatest is only slightly slower but much more efficient and they have X3D model(s) coming that further improve gaming performance.

Can't imagine Intel being so fast, even against the year old Zen3 Intel beat it with higher power, yet with 3D cache AMD were similar or faster.
I think they will be comparable, maybe one architecture will be faster in ST and the other in MT.
If this rumour is true I think they just want to spoil Intel's day.

 

[Dyatlov A]

Can't imagine Intel being so fast, even against the year old Zen3 Intel beat it with higher power, yet with 3D cache AMD were similar or faster.
I think they will be comparable, maybe one architecture will be faster in ST and the other in MT.
If this rumour is true I think they just want to spoil Intel's day.

I want the one with faster ST

 

[thesmokingman]

Or they don't want intel to make Zen4 to performe worse than Zen3 in their fabricated slides

I don't think it's any of that. This is like a business power play. What's a consumer going to reach for at the store, a release announcement or actual product in hand?

 

[nguyen]

I'm torn between Intel's platform stability and the upgradeability of AM5, so I should probably sit this gen out and wait for Intel 14th gen/ Ryzen 8000

 

[usiname]

I don't think it's any of that. This is like a business power play. What's a consumer going to reach for at the store, a release announcement or actual product in hand?

You have no idea for how many people, slides like this are the only source of information.
Some even check different sources and based on their preferences they choose the one they like the most and a source such as the manufacturer himself is considered by many to be the most reliable.
Should I mention intel's preorder before the third party reviews?

 

[Mussels]

I don't think it's any of that. This is like a business power play. What's a consumer going to reach for at the store, a release announcement or actual product in hand?

Those that read reviews, don't go back to read more - they often rely on that information even when its outdated, redacted, or a thousand other sources disagree

You see this a lot with people that buy a product and then have no idea about it later (Look at the laptop owners in the throttlestop forum - shocked their CPU is locked to 15W and still at 90C)

I'm torn between Intel's platform stability and the upgradeability of AM5, so I should probably sit this gen out and wait for Intel 14th gen/ Ryzen 8000

You should wait and see, competition looks good this year.

Although what do you mean by platform stability?
If you mean the issues with like Zen 1 and RAM clocks, that was resolved long ago

 

[Jism]

Stealing the light. I like it. Perhaps the start of an era where intel is slowly no longer the most dominant CPU manufactor.

I'm really interested in the 7700X, see how it compares to 2700X, 5800X and if it does offer headroom (BCLK Oc'ing) for higher boost clocks.

 

[john_]

It's a new platform against a refresh that will be the last option for 1700 owners. It will definitely get more press coverage and more articles than Raptor Lake. Even if it loses to Raptor Lake the potencial of the AM5 to host 3-4 series of Zen 4 and Zen 5 CPUs/APUs will still offer much positive coverage and support to AMD.

Intel compares RL to Z3 and shows big wins (50% or more)

Where did you found those kind of persentages? We are not in the Bulldozer era. RL is just a refresh with a few more E cores. Only in CineBench you will see RL gaining somewhat significantly.

 

[ModEl4]

15/09/22 "on sale"

Ryzen 7 5800X3D is the best gaming processor in the market bar none. We are proud of what V-Cache technology is doing for us and we are gonna feature this in Ryzen 7000 series later this year and in the future generation.
AMD's Senior Vice President and General Manager for Client, Saeid Moshkelani
02:47:30

My understanding is that Zen4 V-Cache is not set in stone for 2022 and will come in 2022 depending on the reaction the market will have for Zen4 based on performance & pricing level (in relation with Raptor Lake, not at launch...)

 

[napata]

Although what do you mean by platform stability?
If you mean the issues with like Zen 1 and RAM clocks, that was resolved long ago

Perhaps he's reffering to issues like fTPM stutter or the USB dropouts. The latter has been an issue since Zen 1.

 

[Mussels]

I'm really interested in the 7700X, see how it compares to 2700X, 5800X and if it does offer headroom (BCLK Oc'ing) for higher boost clocks.

That'll be board dependent again

One of my boards could do it, but only by disabling boost... which defeated the purpose

 

[john_]

USB dropouts

Being an AMD fan and customer for over 20 years,

WHO THE F MESSES UP WITH USB IN 2020? I mean, REALLY? WTF? Did they put monkeys in the developing team? Maybe kids just out the college "Here we will give you something simple and trivial for the last 20 years. USB implementation. Child's play. You can't mess it up. no way.".

 

[James7787]

Feels like a very blatant move to prevent comparison with Raptor lake on Intel launch. Maybe intel has a clear winner after all in raw performance and AMD has now accepted that. It's not a big deal though and x3D versions of zen4 should bring the balance back.

Yes, but zen 4 with 3d cache will go against intel meteor lake not raptor lake in 2023.

 

[nguyen]

You should wait and see, competition looks good this year.

Although what do you mean by platform stability?
If you mean the issues with like Zen 1 and RAM clocks, that was resolved long ago

Well I'm still on z370 platform from 2017, Quad Ranks 3600mhz RAM just work out of the box

Then I build x570 with R5 3600 for my nephew and every cold boot system cannot POST with RAM above 3200mhz (dual ranks for quad ranks same problem), platform stability is just not ideal. I'm sure AM5 will have plenty of bugs to be iron out.

 

[Crackong]

Well I'm still on z370 platform from 2017, Quad Ranks 3600mhz RAM just work out of the box

Then I build x570 with R5 3600 for my nephew and every cold boot system cannot POST with RAM above 3200mhz (dual ranks for quad ranks same problem), platform stability is just not ideal. I'm sure AM5 will have plenty of bugs to be iron out.

I had my x370 + 1800x + 32GB 3600 ram working out of the box too.

I also tried to install esxi on a 12th gen platform and nope it runs like trash.

Sample size of one doesn't mean anything.

but Yes, new platform always introduces new bugs.