Samsung Electronics Unveils Odyssey OLED G8 Gaming Monitor at IFA 2022

[evernessince]

Ever heard of not logging into the wifi?

Right before samsung releases an update requiring you to login to the wifi in order to use the monitor (which many smart TVs already do).

I'd prefer to send them a clear message that PC gamers won't tolerate that garbage.

 

[R-T-B]

Right before samsung releases an update requiring you to login to the wifi in order to use the monitor (which many smart TVs already do).

I'd prefer to send them a clear message that PC gamers won't tolerate that garbage.

I have yet to encounter a single TV that does this, and I've dealt with pretty much all the major and semimajor brands.

 

[konga]

Smart functionality actually makes sense in a modern high-res HDR monitor. Many streaming services like Prime Video don't allow for 4K HDR streaming on PC due to bogus anti-piracy concerns. So a smart hub with a built-in Amazon app will remove the need to hook up a separate device to your PC monitor, which is a plus in my book.

 

[1d10t]

LG : Lets made a bendable monitor!
Samsung : Last year Odyssey is disappointing, replace light with RGB!

 

[Tomorrow]

On a small display like this, you need smaller ports so they don't take up so much space...

You forgot to add /s tag to your post.

Over 6 months after the Alienware and no G-sync Ultimate?? I really wonder what took them so long if it's to release an inferior monitor.

Superior you mean? Cheaper, lower power consumption, no fan noise and no HDMI 2.0 limitation.

 

[R-T-B]

OLED suffers from inherent gamma shift as refresh rate varies, so actually, this is one of those cases where a gsync ultimate module might be useful, because firmware never compensates for this completely.

 

[R0H1T]

Many streaming services like Prime Video don't allow for 4K HDR streaming on PC due to bogus anti-piracy concerns

Yes that's a big issue, I'm paying for 4k/HDR on Amazon as well as Disney+(Hotsar) & can't stream in those resolutions unless it's on Android or iOS

Which in this case, is a HUGE difference (as someone who had the 27" G7 and went to OLED).

Yes but even in Samsung's own lineup the G8 isn't the best OLED panel they have. Anyway I wouldn't but anything less than 4k or super UW with 4k+ resolutions, if I'm looking to go high end OLED so this isn't something I would recommend either.

 

[TheLostSwede]

I'd prefer if they just made a small protrusion on the back for the ports. Its not like it would get in the way of anything. Those ports are IMO unacceptable on a large display like this.

Sorry, forgot to add /s

Smart functionality actually makes sense in a modern high-res HDR monitor. Many streaming services like Prime Video don't allow for 4K HDR streaming on PC due to bogus anti-piracy concerns. So a smart hub with a built-in Amazon app will remove the need to hook up a separate device to your PC monitor, which is a plus in my book.

It all comes down to the implementation.
I'd rather see something like a user removable dongle/module than having it built in. That way it can be upgraded easily when it gets old.

 

[Chomiq]

AFAIK PS5 can't run anything besides 4K and 1080p.

One of the reason I didn't have one with my 1440p display. The other reason is Glorious PC Gaming Mustard Race!

Beta firmware now supports 1440p.

Oh and those smart functions are useless because none of the streaming apps support 21:9 natively. People will end up with black bars all over the place.

 

[Vayra86]

Ever heard of not logging into the wifi?

Sure but until then we can vote with wallets too, I'd say its a much stronger point of view than 'buy it anyway with features you don't want in this product'

 

[Chomiq]

Sure but until then we can vote with wallets too, I'd say its a much stronger point of view than 'buy it anyway with features you don't want in this product'

Exactly, I never had real hopes for this Samsung model, just look at the recent Neo G8 with visible scanlines at 240 Hz. All hope is on MSI or somebody else using the same panel (hopefully companies will not split into two groups using either LG or Samsung panels).

 

[Mussels]

Sigh, another ultrawide.
16:9, cmon

I bet this is attempted 16:9 with yield issues, so cutting out the dodgy pixels leaves them with enough for ultrawides, but not enough for the taller 16:9

 

[R-T-B]

Sure but until then we can vote with wallets too, I'd say its a much stronger point of view than 'buy it anyway with features you don't want in this product'

I mean, what are you voting for exactly? My point is some consumers want that feature, and it literally has done nothing to you yet. Are you "voting" that no one should have it? Because they aren't going to tool up two separate lines for people like you, frankly. The most you'll ever see is it's complete removal ala 3d television.

Remember I'm a digital privacy advocate with a proven history. That does not exclude me from common sense.

 

[medi01]

This year's Odyssey G7 is arguably better specced, except for the "OLED" part.

Brightness 350 nit, nah. That OLED peaks at 400.

 

[Tomorrow]

Exactly, I never had real hopes for this Samsung model, just look at the recent Neo G8 with visible scanlines at 240 Hz. All hope is on MSI or somebody else using the same panel (hopefully companies will not split into two groups using either LG or Samsung panels).

That scanline issue manifests only on G8. Possibly due to them pushing the panel to 240Hz. The 165Hz G7 is free of this issue. And since this QD-OLED panel uses a different panel and goes to 175Hz (not 240Hz) then hopefully it wont have this issue.

Also i heard news that Samsung has managed to increase QD-OLED production yield rate to 85% up from 50% when production began in November 2021.
So this could be the reason for the limited availability of the Alienware model and why Samsung itself and others have not yet released their own models using this panel.

 

[R0H1T]

Brightness 350 nit, nah. That OLED peaks at 400.

Peak brightness is 1000 but more importantly it's Quantum HDR 2000 certified. I'd love to see how this works on OLED panels but I'm not sure if the certification is even possible for them.

 

[Vayra86]

I mean, what are you voting for exactly? My point is some consumers want that feature, and it literally has done nothing to you yet. Are you "voting" that no one should have it? Because they aren't going to tool up two separate lines for people like you, frankly. The most you'll ever see is it's complete removal ala 3d television.

Remember I'm a digital privacy advocate with a proven history. That does not exclude me from common sense.

I vote to keep internet connectivity and associated costs out of monitors. Smart TV isn't free, nor the hardware to have it in a device. Your point is some customers 'want that feature'? I think that's a gross overstatement, people use it because its there, but it has never been good and is being abused for planned obscolescence or just negligence in maintenance/support. On a panel that is mainly a TV, even, it tends to not really do much especially if you have a digital TV box and exactly nothing if you also connect anything PC like. Its just a glorified, often high latency menu system that moves stuff you always had (and wanted) on your remote control to the screen with horrible GUI and controls.

The only way Smart TV is making money is by plastering ads in your face. Strangely those revenues don't make for lower monitor pricing.

Digital privacy isn't even on my radar because you can, as was said, just not connect.

And your example of 3D TV goes to show customer voices do matter. No, we don't want this, gtfo, its an invention that should have never happened. The few misguided souls that do, can buy a TV.

Exactly, I never had real hopes for this Samsung model, just look at the recent Neo G8 with visible scanlines at 240 Hz. All hope is on MSI or somebody else using the same panel (hopefully companies will not split into two groups using either LG or Samsung panels).

Samsung par for the course. Its always an utter mess. I'm never touching the brand again for either phone or screen. They can't be trusted.

 

[Valantar]

I vote to keep internet connectivity and associated costs out of monitors. Smart TV isn't free, nor the hardware to have it in a device. Your point is some customers 'want that feature'? I think that's a gross overstatement, people use it because its there, but it has never been good and is being abused for planned obscolescence or just negligence in maintenance/support. On a panel that is mainly a TV, even, it tends to not really do much especially if you have a digital TV box and exactly nothing if you also connect anything PC like. Its just a glorified, often high latency menu system that moves stuff you always had (and wanted) on your remote control to the screen with horrible GUI and controls.

The only way Smart TV is making money is by plastering ads in your face. Strangely those revenues don't make for lower monitor pricing.

Digital privacy isn't even on my radar because you can, as was said, just not connect.

And your example of 3D TV goes to show customer voices do matter. No, we don't want this, gtfo, its an invention that should have never happened. The few misguided souls that do, can buy a TV.

That's the thing - to the extent that "voting with your wallet" is a thing (which it arguably isn't - there is pretty much no less effective way of getting your point across, you might as well shout it into the void), it is extremely difficult to communicate anything clearly through it. Do you actually believe that the fact that you, and a handful of others, refuse to buy smart TVs is even noticeable to TV makers? It very obviously isn't, as smart TVs sell by the tens if not hundreds of millions every year. Your arguments are invisible to manufacturers, as you have no means of communicating with them.

This is like not voting in an election as a protest - it doesn't matter at all why you don't, unless you do this in an organized and highly visible way. Unless you manage to organize a sufficient amount of people to make yourself visible, all anyone will see is "67% voter turnout" and lump you in with the people who for all kinds of other reasons didn't or couldn't vote.

Voting with your wallet is nonsense, it is wholly ineffectual, and mostly works as a nice delusion that lets people avoid actually organizing and mobilizing for change.

 

[trsttte]

Smart functionality actually makes sense in a modern high-res HDR monitor. Many streaming services like Prime Video don't allow for 4K HDR streaming on PC due to bogus anti-piracy concerns. So a smart hub with a built-in Amazon app will remove the need to hook up a separate device to your PC monitor, which is a plus in my book.

Yes that's a big issue, I'm paying for 4k/HDR on Amazon as well as Disney+(Hotsar) & can't stream in those resolutions unless it's on Android or iOS

The same issue will happen in about 5 years or so when support for the monitor gets discontinued, if not before. Then what?

It would be a much better solution to have an optional replaceable module (tv's actually tried that in the past with stuff similar to pcmcia cards but it didn't really caught on, why would it when you can just sell a new tv) that connects through a standard interface... like a chromecast/firestick/whatever that costs as much as 30$.

Cheaper

With the "smart" "features" and that big rgb circle at the back I doubt that will be the case

Sorry, forgot to add /s

It was pretty clear

 

[konga]

Brightness 350 nit, nah. That OLED peaks at 400.

Please look up how the HDR True Black 400 certification actually works, because what you said is not true at all. The Alienware AW3423DW uses the same panel that this monitor will use, and it gets close to 1000 nits.

OLED suffers from inherent gamma shift as refresh rate varies, so actually, this is one of those cases where a gsync ultimate module might be useful, because firmware never compensates for this completely.

G-Sync Ultimate failed to prevent this issue in the AW3423DW. So I don't think you're missing much with its exclusion

Sigh, another ultrawide.
16:9, cmon

I bet this is attempted 16:9 with yield issues, so cutting out the dodgy pixels leaves them with enough for ultrawides, but not enough for the taller 16:9

That is not how OLED manufacturing works. Like, at all. Panels are carved out of a motherglass, and they have to find the most optimal way to carve the glass while wasting as little of it as possible. Doing 16:9 monitors would waste glass with their current motherglass layouts, so they're doing 21:9. There will likely be smaller 16:9 QD-OLED displays in the future.

 

[Valantar]

It was pretty clear

Apparently not to me

 

[konga]

Sorry, forgot to add /s


It all comes down to the implementation.
I'd rather see something like a user removable dongle/module than having it built in. That way it can be upgraded easily when it gets old.

You will still be able to plug third-party streaming modules into the thing in the future (fire stick, roku, etc). The only difference is that there will be a built-in alternative.

edit: All of my other monitors come with a variety of features and settings I will never use too. Backlight strobing, crosshairs, black equalizer, eco modes, etc. The only things that matter to me in the end are the final price and whether it has the features and specs I care most about. Any extra crap I don't care about as long as the value proposition still makes sense for me.

 

[trsttte]

You will still be able to plug third-party streaming modules into the thing in the future (fire stick, roku, etc). The only difference is that there will be a built-in alternative.

edit: All of my other monitors come with a variety of features and settings I will never use too. Backlight strobing, crosshairs, black equalizer, eco modes, etc. The only things that matter to me in the end are the final price and whether it has the features and specs I care most about. Any extra crap I don't care about as long as the value proposition still makes sense for me.

That's different, eco modes or black equalizer won't become obsolete in a few years and much worse even, become security liabilities.

An extra input with a module you could replace would be the way to go, hell they can even bundle their own samsung smart tv dongle for all I care, just make it a stupid dongle that I can unplug and/or upgrade in the future.

This would not only be good for consumers mind you, they could repackage that dongle into many more products and have less variants of their stupid smart interface to maintain (but I guess that's not of too much interest when they're in the buziness of selling more tv's)

 

[Valantar]

That's different, eco modes or black equalizer won't become obsolete in a few years and much worse even, become security liabilities.

An extra input with a module you could replace would be the way to go, hell they can even bundle their own samsung smart tv dongle for all I care, just make it a stupid dongle that I can unplug and/or upgrade in the future.

This would not only be good for consumers mind you, they could repackage that dongle into many more products and have less variants of their stupid smart interface to maintain (but I guess that's not of too much interest when they're in the buziness of selling more tv's)

The problem is that there would need to be an industry standard for these dongles to "take over" the TV's UI, as one of the major draws of smart TVs is their integration and UX simplicity. Interoperability with stock remotes would also be a must. This wouldn't necessarily be very hard to do, but it would need a standard to have any hope of a future of compatible upgrades.

 

[Tomorrow]

With the "smart" "features" and that big rgb circle at the back I doubt that will be the case

1300-200=1100. Even if the added crap is worth 200 at worst it would be the same 1300 as the Alienware one. That is why i said cheaper.
I guess we will see. Neo G8 already costs 1100-1400.