AMD Ryzen 7 7700X "Zen 4" Geekbench and CPU-Z Bench Numbers Surface

[JustBenching]

I think no one acknowledges that if there was no AMD Zen family of CPUs, you would be getting very expensive (maybe 8 cores) CPUs from Intel.

WHAT? The only one that sells very expensive 8 core cpus is AMD themselves, lol. 400€ for an 8 core cpu in 2022-2023, yikes. Not only amd didn't increase core counts, they actually reduced the number of cores you get for your money. 300$ would you get an R7 with 8 cores back in 2017. Now you only get 6

In the meanwhile, Intel is selling you 10 for less money :O

 

[DavidS]

WHAT? The only one that sells very expensive 8 core cpus is AMD themselves, lol. 400€ for an 8 core cpu in 2022-2023, yikes. Not only amd didn't increase core counts, they actually reduced the number of cores you get for your money. 300$ would you get an R7 with 8 cores back in 2017. Now you only get 6

In the meanwhile, Intel is selling you 10 for less money :O

Yes. Additionally, I believe that because Nvidia artificially inflated GPU prices and of course the mining craze, people have grown accustomed to the exorbitant GPU prices. A top-tier GPU should cost between $250 and $300. The price of the xx70 series should be upper midrange; $500 is absurd. For instance, the 970 had an MSRP of, what, 320–330 dollars?

 

[CapNemo72]

WHAT? The only one that sells very expensive 8 core cpus is AMD themselves, lol. 400€ for an 8 core cpu in 2022-2023, yikes. Not only amd didn't increase core counts, they actually reduced the number of cores you get for your money. 300$ would you get an R7 with 8 cores back in 2017. Now you only get 6

In the meanwhile, Intel is selling you 10 for less money :O

And in you are right to a certain degree. But you misunderstood my point.
Though if I go and do a search on 8+ cores CPUs, the three cheapest ones are from AMD all under 300. But it is not on the European Union market, so it could be that.

Now, my point was that if there was no strong AMD, we would be paying more for less.
The fact that Intel offers more for the money should tell you what impact did zen family of CPUs made.
There is no way you would have such an offer otherwise. I do not understand how people do not see this and acknowledge it.

Yes. Additionally, I believe that because Nvidia artificially inflated GPU prices and of course the mining craze, people have grown accustomed to the exorbitant GPU prices. A top-tier GPU should cost between $250 and $300. The price of the xx70 series should be upper midrange; $500 is absurd. For instance, the 970 had an MSRP of, what, 320–330 dollars?

Nvidia profited from the scarcity and very strong demand 8coming mostly from the miners) to go up with the prices. AMD did the same. All hardware tried to do the same.

What they found is that there were a lot of people ready to pay 1000 for an Nvidia 3070 or Radeon 6800. Once they got this data, it will be very difficult to get back to the prices we had before.
They saw people are ready to pay more. And that is on us. I was lucky to get my GPU at MSRP, but I would never spend 1000 and more on them. But many did. hence, now we have elevated prices.

 

[Tek-Check]

WHAT? The only one that sells very expensive 8 core cpus is AMD themselves, lol. 400€ for an 8 core cpu in 2022-2023, yikes. Not only amd didn't increase core counts, they actually reduced the number of cores you get for your money. 300$ would you get an R7 with 8 cores back in 2017. Now you only get 6

In the meanwhile, Intel is selling you 10 for less money :O

Oh, please... this is so silly and childish.
You'd better talk about performance of those cores and platform upgradability for businesses.
New Ryzen 5 7600X 6-core is faster in single threaded than 12900K with 16-cores.
Nowadays 6 cores perform equally or better than 12 cores just a few years ago.

Businesses will be quite happy to invest into new AM5 AMD platform that will be supported at least for 5 years knowing that they can simply swap a single CPU for a faster one in a few years and call it a day, rather than buying a new Intel 13th gen platform that is hitting dead end immediately after release.

In a long run, it pays to invest into platform with longevity, especially for businesses looking for uncomplicated solutions further down the road. Those businesses do not want to buy completely new machines every couple of years if they can swap a single CPU and carry on.

 

[JustBenching]

Oh, please... this is so silly and childish.
You'd better talk about performance of those cores and platform upgradability for businesses.
New Ryzen 5 7600X 6-core is faster in single threaded than 12900K with 16-cores.
Nowadays 6 cores perform equally or better than 12 cores just a few years ago.

Businesses will be quite happy to invest into new AM5 AMD platform that will be supported at least for 5 years knowing that they can simply swap a single CPU for a faster one in a few years and call it a day, rather than buying a new Intel 13th gen platform that is hitting dead end immediately after release.

In a long run, it pays to invest into platform with longevity, especially for businesses looking for uncomplicated solutions further down the road. Those businesses do not want to buy completely new machines every couple of years if they can swap a single CPU and carry on.

Yea, im sure business will invest in AM5. Cause just like AM4, it's a great platform. USB disconnects, ftpm bugs, yeah lovely platform for a business pc. WTF am I reading.

 

[Makaveli]

Cause just like AM4, it's a great platform. USB disconnects, ftpm bugs, yeah lovely platform for a business pc. WTF am I reading.

lol I don't have any issues like that on my AM4 board because I keep my bois up to date. All of that has been addressed by bios updates.

 

[CapNemo72]

Yea, im sure business will invest in AM5. Cause just like AM4, it's a great platform. USB disconnects, ftpm bugs, yeah lovely platform for a business pc. WTF am I reading.

USB disconnects?!! What are you talking about? We have at least 50+ PCs based on AMD Ryzen and not one had that issue (from 2700x to the latest Threadripper ).
AMD is stable on a GPU side too, especially for the business. We also do VR applications, no problem there either (Unreal and Unity engines).

Do you people understand that we should not take sides and invent stories that put a bad light on the opposite product?
The point is to ideally support the product that gives the best for the budget you have. This is how companies know what we want and they adapt accordingly.

If Intel is better, I buy Intel. If AMD is better I buy AMD. It is as easy as that.

 

[JustBenching]

lol I don't have any issues like that on my AM4 board because I keep my bois up to date. All of that has been addressed by bios updates.

The usb disconnects and the read write problems with sata ssds on x570 havent and will never be solved.

 

[Makaveli]

The usb disconnects and the read write problems with sata ssds on x570 havent and will never be solved.

really well why don't I have those issues?

 

[JustBenching]

really well why don't I have those issues?

Ah, if you don't personally have these issues, then obviously they don't exist. And I don't have any temperature issues with my 12900k at 280w, therefore it's a chill cpu. Got it

 

[Tek-Check]

Yea, im sure business will invest in AM5. Cause just like AM4, it's a great platform. USB disconnects, ftpm bugs, yeah lovely platform for a business pc. WTF am I reading.

All issues resolved by BIOS update for those who were affected.
Your recent comments have nothing positive to say about AMD products, which makes me think of fanboyism.
Is there anything positive about AMD products for business?

 

[JustBenching]

All issues resolved by BIOS update for those who were affected.
Your recent comments have nothing positive to say about AMD products, which makes me think of fanboyism.
Is there anything positive about AMD products for business?

No they weren't. Sata read speeds is still an issue for x570. But that doesn't matter, usb disconnects and ftpm bug has been going on for over a year. Having platform bugs fixed 2 years after a product is released isn't really flattering, especially if you are talking about business PC's.

What positive is there for amd products? The 13600k offers double the performance and more than double the core count of the 7600x. Nough said I think. When AMD decides to move on from 6 cores (it's been what, 6 years now) they might be able to compete again.

 

[Tek-Check]

No they weren't. Sata read speeds is still an issue for x570. But that doesn't matter, usb disconnects and ftpm bug has been going on for over a year. Having platform bugs fixed 2 years after a product is released isn't really flattering, especially if you are talking about business PC's.

What positive is there for amd products? The 13600k offers double the performance and more than double the core count of the 7600x. Nough said I think. When AMD decides to move on from 6 cores (it's been what, 6 years now) they might be able to compete again.

Core count is completely irrelevant for so many businesses. Plus, so many companies with hundreds or thousands of workers do not wait to buy the latest platform.

When a school or civil servant institution orders laptops for their workforce, they do not need more than six, rarely eight cores, if ever, for daily job. U series is fine. There are thousands of such businesses. My institution is going to move to AMD Rembrandt laptops because their APUs are super efficient and people can carry laptops for 6-7 hours around without charging. Plus, APUs are well performant for their needs.

Your reasoning would need to be more informed to get any traction here, rather than saying i5 offers double the performance in comparison to a wrong CPU. Firstly, i5 13600K compares to 7700X, and secondly, I have not heard of any civil servant institution buying unlocked CPUs for their workforce. Ridiculous. Those CPUs are for design studios, etc., for more specific professions and sold in lower quantities. If anything, P series could sell well.

 

[JustBenching]

Core count is completely irrelevant for so many businesses. Plus, so many companies with hundreds or thousands of workers do not wait to buy the latest platform.

When a school or civil servant institution orders laptops for their workforce, they do not need more than six, rarely eight cores, if ever, for daily job. U series is fine. There are thousands of such businesses. My institution is going to move to AMD Rembrandt laptops because their APUs are super efficient and people can carry laptops for 6-7 hours around without charging. Plus, APUs are well performant for their needs.

Your reasoning would need to be more informed to get any traction here, rather than saying i5 offers double the performance in comparison to a wrong CPU. Firstly, i5 13600K compares to 7700X, and secondly, I have not heard of any civil servant institution buying unlocked CPUs for their workforce. Ridiculous. Those CPUs are for design studios, etc., for more specific professions and sold in lower quantities. If anything, P series could sell well.

And AMD doesn't have any Zen 4 cpus under 300€ anyways, so what are you talking about? If you don't need the horsepower, too bad, only Intel offers cheaper modern CPU's.

No, the 13600k doesn't compare to the 7700x (which it also handily beats btw). The price most likely will be closer to the 7600x. Secondly, ALL of amd's cpus are unlocked, so if civil servant institutions don't buy unlocked CPUs, then they don't buy AMD, do they?

 

[Tek-Check]

And AMD doesn't have any Zen 4 cpus under 300€ anyways, so what are you talking about? If you don't need the horsepower, too bad, only Intel offers cheaper modern CPU's.

No, the 13600k doesn't compare to the 7700x (which it also handily beats btw). The price most likely will be closer to the 7600x. Secondly, ALL of amd's cpus are unlocked, so if civil servant institutions don't buy unlocked CPUs, then they don't buy AMD, do they?

No dude, wrong reasoning. It'd be great if you could come up with some numbers to support your claim, otherwise discussion is futile.

Besides, plenty of cheap AM4 CPUs and APUs are available, that many companies could find attractive for next 5 year or so purchase.

It is true that Intel has had a deep penetration of OEM client and business environment for years, but this is changing now, little by little. Just look at the server environment and other advancements AMD has made in recent years. Find the numbers.

 

[Makaveli]

Ah, if you don't personally have these issues, then obviously they don't exist. And I don't have any temperature issues with my 12900k at 280w, therefore it's a chill cpu. Got it

I know numerous people on am4 that can say the same but they are not members on this forum.

And if you are going to claim those are still issues and not even using the platform its on you to prove it not me.

 

[kapone32]

All issues resolved by BIOS update for those who were affected.
Your recent comments have nothing positive to say about AMD products, which makes me think of fanboyism.
Is there anything positive about AMD products for business?

Well I work for one of the largest tech companies in my Country and we all transitioned to laptops from Desktop (especially during the lockdown) my laptop is a Ryzen 3500. One of the benefits that I know that the next laptop I receive will be AMD based is the battery life on 5000 and 6000 series chips. We will see that benefit of that with the next APU. A 5600G based system does cover a variety of commercial applications though and the fact that all AM5 chips have RDNA2 can only be good for efficiency.

 

[JustBenching]

I know numerous people on am4 that can say the same but they are not members on this forum.

And if you are going to claim those are still issues and not even using the platform its on you to prove it not me.

Im not using the platform? Ok man

 

[Makaveli]

Im not using the platform? Ok man

lol is that is?

how about the rest of my post?

Support your argument!

 

[Tek-Check]

Well I work for one of the largest tech companies in my Country and we all transitioned to laptops from Desktop (especially during the lockdown) my laptop is a Ryzen 3500. One of the benefits that I know that the next laptop I receive will be AMD based is the battery life on 5000 and 6000 series chips. We will see that benefit of that with the next APU. A 5600G based system does cover a variety of commercial applications though and the fact that all AM5 chips have RDNA2 can only be good for efficiency.

Indeed. 5000 and 6000 series APUs from AMD are leaders in efficiency and many performance charts in their respective generations.

Workers who need to carry their laptops around from "9-to-5" within company or outside do not need to worry about carrying charger everywhere they go. It's enough to charge it once a day and optimize usage. It is AMD laptops that could cover one standard shift on a daily basis.