AMD Ryzen 6000 "Rembrandt" Makes it to Mini PCs, Spotted in Upcoming ASUS PN53

[btarunr]

The Ryzen 6000-series processors are exclusively-mobile, meant for notebooks and tablets, but is already making its way across several other form-factors, including handheld game consoles, and now desktops, as mini-PCs. Based on the 6 nm "Rembrandt" silicon, Ryzen 6000 combines an up to 8-core/16-thread "Zen 3+" CPU, with an iGPU based on the RDNA2 graphics architecture, with up to 12 compute units; and an exclusively DDR5/LPDDR5 memory interface making for a powerful mobile processor. At least three upcoming ASUS PN53-series mini-PCs powered by "Rembrandt" have surfaced in pre-order online store listings.

Among the three "Rembrandt" powered ASUS PN53 mini-PCs are the ASUS PN53-S9022MD, ASUS PN53-S7021MD, and ASUS PN53-S5020MD. The PN53-S9022MD leads the pack, with a Ryzen 9 6900HX processor (8C/16T, up to 4.90 GHz, 12-CU iGPU, 45 W TDP), 16 GB of DDR5-4800 memory, and 512 GB NVMe SSD; all priced at 1,100€. The ASUS PN53-S7021MD is positioned a notch below, with a Ryzen 7 6800H (8C/16T, up to 4.70 GHz, 12-CU iGPU, 45 W TDP), and otherwise same specs; priced at 1,000€. The ASUS PN53-S5020MD is the most affordable of the lot, powered by a Ryzen 5 6600H (6C/12T, up to 4.50 GHz, 6-CU iGPU, 45 W TDP), 8 GB of DDR5-4800 memory, and 256 GB NVMe storage. This one is going for 840€.



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[GoldenX]

Still only with the high-end models.
Did AMD forgot how to do a mid/low-end stack with Zen3?

 

[kiakk]

Still only with the high-end models.
Did AMD forgot how to do a mid/low-end stack with Zen3?

We could say 6600H could be mid class, but If we watch the price tag in he end.... OK ASUS, keep it.
A well built DIY PC with the same budget could be reach simmilar energy efficiency on light load, BUT, when you need more performance with heavy loads you can get much more. The only difference could be the PC physical size. But does matter in a room 1 litre vs 8-12litre PC? I do not think so...
And do not forget the future while you can not change almost anything in a full integrated PC, while the DIY PC made by interchangable component with high compatibility ratio.
This kind of PC is OK for IT system integrators, who do not want to build by their own small PC. But for end user PC market is pointless, in my point of view.
If somebody can not build his own PC, pay 10-15% commision for somebody who can do it and get a better price/performance small PC. These tiny PC-s are incredibly overpriced.

 

[Tek-Check]

Too expensive for what it offers. No USB4, no DP 2.0 port and no HDMI 2.1. Unacceptable from vendor not to implement features that APU actually supports.

 

[AnarchoPrimitiv]

Too expensive for what it offers. No USB4 and no DP 2.0 ports. Unacceptable from vendor not to implement features that APU actually supports.

Name a single situation in which Displayport 2.0 would be required on a mini-pc with integrated graphics...the USB 4.0 on the other hand could be useful for an eGPU, though I find that use case pretty niche too

 

[ModEl4]

I don't remember, has AMD committed to a 2022 Rembrandt launch for desktop DIY market?
In 3.5 months we are closing a year since Rembrandt launched in mobile market.
Maybe they are expecting to launch it concurrently with A620 chipsets or whatever is called. (Probably CES when we are going to have the low-end 13th gen models from Intel along with H710?)
That's bad if this is the plan, in the past (Raven Ridge) mobile & DIY had around 6 months gap.

 

[dont whant to set it"']

DisplayPort is royalty free to name one example.

 

[Tek-Check]

Name a single situation in which Displayport 2.0 would be required on a mini-pc with integrated graphics...the USB 4.0 on the other hand could be useful for an eGPU, though I find that use case pretty niche too

DP 2.0 port has been certified for AMD a few months ago. It is useful on better monitors, for example 4K/120 10-bit RGB display needs 40 Gbps connector for smooth scrolling. I view many long reading files daily and can clearly see the difference between 60 and 120 Hz.

Besides, Rembrandt APUs are also capable of HDMI 2.1 FRL video signal for similar purposes and yet Asus does not provide such port either. APU's capabilities are not exploited and used to their potential here. For this reason, I would never buy it, despite loving Rembrandt APUs.

USB4 is currently niche because it's relatively new and few vendors install it. I'd certainly want to connect fast external SSD to 40 Gbps port and move data faster in such an expensive device that is aimed to last a few years and be futureproof a bit.

No one should feel happy with this expensive and below-basic implementation of APU's capabilities. It's a super expensive chip sitting in silly box without latest video and data ports. It is what it is.

DisplayPort is royalty free to name one example.

And Rembrandt APU has been officially certified for DP 2.0 at 40 Gbps. Vendors need to start installing those ports finally, so that monitor manufacturers can do the same and speed up monitor development.

 

[Nichotin]

ASUS mentions HDMI 2.1 on their PN53 page: https://www.asus.com/Displays-Desktops/Mini-PCs/PN-series/ASUS-ExpertCenter-PN53/

But I'm a bit confused about what it actually supports, the image says 4K@60Hz, but they mention that 8K goes up to 60Hz with HDMI 2.1 further below, which I'm guessing would also mean 4K@120Hz?

 

[Tek-Check]

ASUS mentions HDMI 2.1 on their PN53 page: https://www.asus.com/Displays-Desktops/Mini-PCs/PN-series/ASUS-ExpertCenter-PN53/

But I'm a bit confused about what it actually supports, the image says 4K@60Hz, but they mention that 8K goes up to 60Hz with HDMI 2.1 further below, which I'm guessing would also mean 4K@120Hz?

The two upper HDMI ports are old 2.0b ports, running at 18 Gbps.
The bottom port is configurable between HDMI/DP/VGA, so it's optional. It can support up to 8K/60 via HDMI, which means they would have to instal REAL HDMI 2.1 port and clearly state that it supports FRL signal at 32 Gbps or more. 32 Gbps is minimum for 8K/60 8-bit image.

 

[Nichotin]

The two upper HDMI ports are old 2.0b ports, running at 18 Gbps.
The bottom port is configurable between HDMI/DP/VGA, so it's optional. It can support up to 8K/60 via HDMI, which means they would have to instal REAL HDMI 2.1 port and clearly state that it supports FRL signal at 32 Gbps or more. 32 Gbps is minimum for 8K/60 8-bit image.

Thanks for the info. I don't doubt you as I saw articles elsewhere also mentioning HDMI 2.0b for the upper ports, but ASUS say HDMI 2.1 several places in the link I sent, plus on the tech specs page:
"1 x USB 4 Type-C (w/ DP output, PD power input), 3 x USB 3.2 Gen1, 2 x HDMI 2.1, 1 x Configurable Port(options: Display Port 1.4/ HDMI 2.1/ COM/ VGA/ 2.5G LAN),1 x 2.5G RJ45 LAN, 1 x DC-in, 1 x Padlock ring"

Very confusing by ASUS!

 

[Tek-Check]

Thanks for the info. I don't doubt you as I saw articles elsewhere also mentioning HDMI 2.0b for the upper ports, but ASUS say HDMI 2.1 several places in the link I sent, plus on the tech specs page:
"1 x USB 4 Type-C (w/ DP output, PD power input), 3 x USB 3.2 Gen1, 2 x HDMI 2.1, 1 x Configurable Port(options: Display Port 1.4/ HDMI 2.1/ COM/ VGA/ 2.5G LAN),1 x 2.5G RJ45 LAN, 1 x DC-in, 1 x Padlock ring"

Very confusing by ASUS!

You need to remember three things about HDMI:
1. All devices with HDMI port are HDMi 2.1 devices, as 2.0b spec was scrapped. So, formally, Asus is not wrong, but it is very confusing for customers, deliberately.
2. It all about speed protocol. HDMI 2.1 has two speed specs: TDMS (from older 2.0b spec up to 18 Gbps), and FRL (real, original HDMI 2.1 spec from 2019) allowing up to 48 Gbps
3. If spec on a device reads "HDMI 2.1" only or "HDMI 2.1 4K/60", it is old TMDS speed of 18 Gbps. The spec MUST mention "HDMI 2.1 FRL" for any higher speeds up to 48 Gbps. That is how you if HDMI port is fast or not.

 

[Nichotin]

You need to remember three things about HDMI:
1. All devices with HDMI port are HDMi 2.1 devices, as 2.0b spec was scrapped. So, formally, Asus is not wrong, but it is very confusing for customers, deliberately.
2. It all about speed protocol. HDMI 2.1 has two speed specs: TDMS (from older 2.0b spec up to 18 Gbps), and FRL (real, original HDMI 2.1 spec from 2019) allowing up to 48 Gbps
3. If spec on a device reads "HDMI 2.1" only or "HDMI 2.1 4K/60", it is old TMDS speed of 18 Gbps. The spec MUST mention "HDMI 2.1 FRL" for any higher speeds up to 48 Gbps. That is how you if HDMI port is fast or not.

This is a late reply from me, but just wanted to say thanks for this explanation! It has been very helpful in search for a new HTPC!